Star Wars vs Star Trek

You know you are about impossible. Do you not get that Star Fleet NEVER takes the proactive step? It is totally against their thinking. They negotiate and react that is about it.

Also who said we are going any amount of time after the movies that would make a difference. That would skew everything as we have no idea what advancements would have been stumbled across. Six months after Nemesis that way we understand exactly what we are dealing with. For my side that means no World Devastators, not X-wingJ's, no Hapan ships, no Sissiru ships, no Vong ships, and only one Death Star. For you that means Photon Torpedoes of 20-25 isotons standard, Type X- Phasers, Only certain ships even carry Quantum torpedoes, no Transphasics, but definately one or two phased cloaked ships as almost indestructable command vessels. I want none of this "It's been 10 years so we can now beam through shields!" crap. Live with what has been shown in show limitations. You want a few nonstandard ships that carry Quantum Torpedoes then fine, but you're not gonna get all of them doing that.

 

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im assuming its right after nemisis as well.

star fleet has had quantum torps for years at that point and has started equiping ALL ships with them,however,they are VERY limited,they have to be manufactured and CANT be replicated,all ships carry a compliment of 10-30 [depending on class],with a regular compliment of photon torps.

http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_torpedo

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Nemesis

see,they have started equiping the fleet with them 8 years before nemisis.

and all ships get the phaser upgrades,remember,the defiant is YEARS old at this point,and since the dominion war most ships have had weapons upgrades for combat against the dominion.

this is the federation AFTER the borg and dominion,not before,they have changed radicly since then.every ship in the fleet has been upgraded and updated.

and they allready know that betazed will be destroyed if they fail,thats why they assembled a fleet there,remember?


and there is ONE transphasic ship,but not even the fleet comanders know about it,only the main officers of the ship know.

transphasic cloak tech makes a ship near indestructable,any more and its just uber overkill.

 

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Okay the attacking fleet. Since Betazed is a Major world of the Federation the joint New Republic and Empire Remanent task force for the liberation of snetient species in the galaxy is composed of the following:

8 Gallofree Medium Transports carrying troops
42 Carrack Light Cruisers
12 Lancer Frigates
16 Nebulan B Escort Frigates
16 Victory II class Star Destroyers
11 Imperial class Star Destroyers
- 11 Squadrons of X-wings
- 11 Squadrons of Y-Wings
- 11 Squadrons of B-Wings
7 Imperial 2 class Star Destroyers
- 7 Squadrons of A-Wings
- 7 Squadrons of X-Wings
- 7 Squadrons of B-Wings
5 MC 90 Mon Calamari Cruisers
5 Defender Star Destroyers
- 5 Squadrons of A-Wings
- 5 Squadrons of X-Wings
- 5 Squadrons of B-Wings
- 5 Squadrons of Tie Defenders
- 30 Skipray Blastboats
- 30 Assualt Shuttles
3 Interdictor Class Heavy Cruisers
- 9 Squadrons of Y-Wings
- 36 Assault Shuttles
1 Super Star Destroyer
- 3 Squadrons of A-Wings
- 4 Squadrons of X-Wings T-65B
- 3 Squadrons of B-Wings A2
- 2 Squadrons of Tie Defenders
- 24 Skipray Blastboats
- 24 Assault Shuttles
- 6 Lambda Shuttles
1 Soveriegn class Super Star Destroyer
- 6 Squadrons of A-Wings
- 8 Squadrons of X-Wings T-65B
- 6 Squadrons of B-Wings A2
- 4 Squadrons of Tie Defenders
- 48 Skipray Blastboats
- 48 Assault Shuttles
- 12 Lambda Shuttles
1 Torpedo Sphere


Now do you wish to change your defensive force? If so go ahead and then we can start with the describing of armaent. Do remember however Star Fleet would only have a few hours notice that this fleet was coming which means maybe 120 ships for your side

 

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funny.

 

Oakay good case but it's not transphasic it Phase cloak there is a difference a nasty one gravity still affect phased items. Now if each ship has quantum you might want to remember that besides the Sovereigns and the Defiants ships will use photons first and only resort to quantums when they find target virtually impossible to destroy. Just SF officer mentality.

 

Hey, you got to remember for Star Wars that is a small fleet and notice no Death Star as I was being nice.

 

thats more ships then have been SEEN in all six movies combined,stick with movie fleet sizes,you know LESS then 500 ships,more around the 50 or so seen at a time in the first 3 movies.

 

Went by the size of a fleet that surrounded the Bothan homeworld when the glaxy learned they might have betrayed a very well loved race to their death. And it was less that 500 ships fighters don't count which is why i would suggest a few dozen for your side like maybe 24 squadrons of planetary fighters.

 

The really funny thing is that you're mixing factions in the fleet. Try ISDs+VSDs+SSD with their parasite craft.

 

its a good thing phasers kick tons of ass against tiny fighters.about 5 every 3 seconds per ship,so thats around 150 for the first 3 seconds of battle.but good try by bringing a bazillion fighters.some might even make it for up to a minute of battle.

 

You forgot the fact that most Star Wars fighters have shields almost as powerful as the shields on par with a Ambassador class. X-wings and B-wings have more. Not to mention are you going to be shooting fighters or those horrendously overarmed capital ships?

 

Actually the New Republic had those ships as well so there is no mixing, really. I was being nice and didn't say Death Star, becuase even transphasic would have been useless there.

 

not really,phasers have been shown to put out TONS of power,they can vaporize 10KMs of solid rock in 19 seconds,thats about a half KM a second,and the hole was at least 20m wide.
i know you will disagree with these numbers,BUT,for example-a tazer runs off a 9volt battery and produces 50,00-100,000volts to a target,phasers work much the same way,except they rip apart atomic bonds.

if you dont belive me or the site,feel free to double check the math.

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/m3.html#Phaser_Blasting

and just wait until we get into shield harmonics , phase frequency,and effective ranges.

those xwings dont stand a chance.

*ZOT* KaBOOM!!!! bye bye little fighter,you almost got within 250,000kms before being vaporized.

 

Since fighters are known to sometimes survive strikes from full size turbolasers. B-wings can take two and we have already shown that these vastly out power Phasers by thousands of times. Although I am willing to agree that Phasers are 500% efficent bringing them upto about 26 gigawatts or about 26,000,000,000 joules. That is impressive but still a pittance compared to Turbolasers as shown by earlier math. As for effective range, I know how far phasers can shoot but at just under C your effective combat range is .2 light seconds anything more and a fighter can avoid the incoming beam. So figure a 30 km at most against small ships. Now larger ships your range is much longer as they can't really effectively dodge. As for damage I would place them in line with Turbolaser canons, the scaled down turbolasers mounted on SW transports.

Photon Torpedoes are interesting as they are much like the Star Wars Proton torpedoes but I am willing to grant a them roughly 2 times the power of a Proton Torpedo thus bringing them up to the level of Turbolasers. Quantums are like Heavy Turbolasers. Transphasic are like Quantum but can't be shot down or tractored, which means they would directly impact in hull

I personally think you should have five times as many of each type of ship , make it a real goal line stand.

 

phasers have a 300,000km effective range and propagate at .98c,that means in 1 second a phaser has reached its maximum range ,thats far too fast for anything to dodge even at maximum range,plus phasers have a physical impact that even if a ship is not destroyed instantly it will be knocked pretty far off course.

phasers can effectivly hit photon torps in mid flight,and have been shown to be devastating against fighters,and they have near flawless tracking and aim with them along with multiple phaser arrays.those fighters are in for a HUGE surprise against the phasers.hell,the defiant can take out jemdhar fighters in one shot with a phaser,and those are some tough little ships.



and i may supplement that fleet with some other species,but for a typical trek fleet assembled in a few hours its pretty close to canon.and there is one phase cloak ship hanging around for a surprise.

remember,the romulans might help,and the vulcans and andorians may show up,along with some other species.

 

You are forgetting the energy build up you see as the weapon gets read to fire. Most pilots only need a 1/10th of a second to react to a perceived threat, in fact 1/10th is slow. As for physical impact, you'd don't think that SW Turbo lasers have a physical impact.

Phasers can do all this in a non ECM heavy background. Plus you have to admit thy are not nearly as powerful as Turbolasers. Have you seen a Phaser vaporize a 100 meter diameter asteroid in 1/10th a second? No. But Turbolasers can and Some fighters can survive direct hits from Turbolaser. Hell B-Wings can take two at times.

Actually it won't surprise the SW crews who have a much more intimate knowledge of gravity. Gravity scanners will detect each cloaked ship even the phased one. Not even the best cloaking device can mask gravity.

The battle will be long over before anyone arive. Betazed a dead world or occupied by force and shield generators errected beofre any reinforcements could arrive. The later would be more likely and much more interesting as Betazeds would be a fine addition to the Republic.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Crystal Grav Traps (gravitational sensors) were quite rare even in the EU twenty years after ROTJ. The Empire itself basically never deployed them on ships in the era up to and including ROTJ, at which point it fell.

 

Can you honestly say that with a straight face knowing that Hyperspace engines need an absence of strong gravitational shadows to function and that ships will come out of hyperspace in time to avoid such damage such hyperspace shadows inflict?

 

It is important to note who is leading this assault. My votes go to either Admiral Ackbar of the Republic with Wedge Antilles as fighter command and Garm Bel Iblis as commander of the invasion forces, or Grand Admiral Thrawn, Admiral Gilad Pellaeon, and Baron Soontir Fel as fighter command with General Veers leading the invasion.

 

Actually i was thinking a collaboration of Ackbar and Pallaeon with Antilles, Skywalker, and Fel running in command of fighters. Ground troops led by General Solo and the mighty Chewbacca