Hey, d: If the dope crazed nutjobs that have harmed me in my personal health, property, and emotional well being had been non stoned, they would have not provided me with harm. Take your dope of any form and consume it in your hole where the sun don't shine.
You will NEVER learn to pay attention, will you? This is about the sixth or seventh time this year alone where you have accused me of saying/not saying something where I clearly did. Just go over the posts again, you old fossil, and you'll see that MORE than once I mentioned how those drugs were being over-prescribed and abused! And when I say "abused" I mean by parents and doctors AND through the influences of public schools. Time to get new glasses? Or is it just your drug burned-out mind can't retain information? I suspect the latter.
Hey, c: do you think i am some kind of de-cryptic reader. do you think you could take some time and effort to communiate in a less hostile and unfriendly way what it is ewxactl you are trying to communicate to me? seeing that we are hewre in a forum where all we got is text?
whayts with tis 'burned out mind' business? huh. do you not see how fukin vioe and hostile you are? i cannot fathom how ANY one could have benefited from an experience of your psychogical 'expertize'. you are so unreolved and unifnormed yourSELF. talk about blind leading te blind Hve you heard, are you familiar with Ralph Metzner's work, and talks about psychedelics and their profound significance, andpotential, by chance? He is a very well-respected psychologist.
Duendy, have you been sitting on your head again? It's impossible to have been in my profession and to not know about him. Are you next going to ask me if I ever heard of Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert?
step back and look at the matter at hand without emotion. concerntrate on the subject use debate not argument. it will save alot of needless posts and get the subject resolved faster. peace.
And yet somehow it is not morally wrong to bully people and shut them up. Bullying people, shutting down their speech, their lives, their contributions, that is causing a lot more damage to society than the drugs could.
soooo? ...one wouldn't GUESS you knew anything about him the way you seem so incredibly misinformed, prejudiced, ...HYSTERICAL, about this subject. so then what are you opnions of Ralph Metzner, and what he speaks about?...
AND YOU KNOW WHAT LIGHT!..................................... Your Right.. I shouldn't have Jumped to conclusions at all. eh... Infact, I Could have been adult enough to Ask out right. But you Cleared it up. I Was Wrong to Make any assumptions like that. So Now what? We have said Our Piece. There is a Dark epidemic that is blinding many people... Especially Young People. I think We Can agree on that. And We can both Agree that they Should be Protected. I just Feel that in the case of Duendy, and your past situation with her, You Over reacted Here. Because she Did not Say anything, that I Feel was out of line. Have more Faith in people. Even the youth know what is right and wrong. We can't act Mature by jumping to conclusions about something that "MAY" happen. Being on Guard so it Does Not happen is a better way. I just think It's Wrong. That was what I was Expressing. Chemicals, Regardless of Law or not, Are Harmful. the NSaids crisis... Tylenol Has New commercials about their Product. You have to be 18 and older to buy Cough medicine. The Protection is there For illegal, But it is not here for Legal. Its said that you have to Out weigh the benefits Of One and compare it with the Whole. So People who Can not Function mentally, or Emotionally, like every one else are given Pills... Chemicals.. and Usually It is because no one can Help them any more, and they are becoming a threat to the Whole. It would be Immoral To kill them. We pity them. Especially if they are family. We have become a society of a Quick fix. a Chemical Fix. Whether it be Junk Food Or Adrenaline Release from doing something radical, to popping a pill to get rid of a head ache. So things Already ARE Chemical. Coke used to be Legal too. Alcohol is still legal. It Seems Hypocritical Of Us to say "This Chemical You Can Use because We know nothing about its total Effects yet, and it Might "Fix some of your Problem"... but These Chemicals you Can not use because Past History has shown Over and Over that a majority Of People who use this Medication Have different Health and Social Problems Latter. It Seems Like an Oxymoron. It is when People Realize that You have to BE like society or You will be punished in ways that most people couldn't understand. More Research needs to be Done, But How Do we do that? When do we NOT lie? When can we openly admit that "We Just Don't Know"?? And When People Come close to this "situation of the mind" it is Human Nature to fight back... To Protect your self from what seems like a threat. But none of us are advanced enough to Draw a line that "this is right" and "this is not". Should Every one with a mental situation be institutionalized immediately, and Medicated In CASE something bad Might happen? That would breed a lot of Paranoia Don't you think? And that is Where we are as a species In this. We have lost Trust and Faith Enough in One another because of actions Of Others. Afraid of each other to the point that a Chemical means to stop the paranoia, Legal Or no, will at least give you assurance enough to Try and cope. Because we have Lost Faith in Each other. We are afraid Of Each other and what the "Different" might "do" to such a point that we Profile People. We accuse them because of their Appearance, or Lack of skills. By Words they Use, or Don't use. I Feel that this is where we all are and it needs to be Reassess. Looking at the WHOLE Spectrum... Including the Duendys of the World. The Lights Of the World, THe Metakrons, The exsistabrents, and absolutely, the Quantum Quakes.... Because some where in All of us, in All Our Backgrounds I can See this One Force that Makes us who we are and what we have in common. And it's not so lonely there any more. I can not teach a new generation "faith in our species" If I can not identify with Em. So That means Feelings Need to be heard and expressed. and no one should Demand any one way is THE Way. History Shows us a lot, But it also shows us that condemning the few in horrific ways is immoral. I honestly Feel that knowledge is the key. No One talks about all the Cut up Cadavers or toilettes. Or how many Embryos are Destroyed or mutated... .... No one talks about the Biochemists and the fact that if we did not cut up and test and explore the living things, we wouldn't be were we are today........ Unless your living with me, and the dinner topic is about how Maggots can eat the rot from a pressure sore and actually help heal those sores... So What I am saying is that we will not Know one another if we constantly Ban each other From expressing and asking. And as for Children of the world.... If they are mature enough to ask, they are mature enough to know... No one in this thread here is throwing up Pictures or even Suggestions that would implicate Harm. It seems wrong to jump to the conclusion that if they did it once, they will do it every time.
Alright. Well I just woke up from a Psychosis. I never realized the small things that seem to effect people so largely. It seems so Strange to me that people would let small things, like other peoples quirks, effect them so badly. I grew up emotionally challenged. I have come pretty far, all things considered. And it isn't far enough for every one. Which is ok. And it is why I stay Open. It is Just hard to stay open, when there is a feeling that some one else is "closed". Or honestly not knowing when you have done something wrong until some one has rudely pointed out your faults infront of everyone else. I wonder, Metakron, is this what you feel people do to you? Things they assume you should "know" but you don't until it is rudely stated before you? By then your emotions talk for you, and you can't even get out the fact that, you did not know. And you feel Stupid and ashamed. In turn that feeds into a depression. By the time all of this have overloaded your emotional psyche, all you can get out is that it was your fault, and you should deal with it on your own. There is no place for any one else. You attempt to end every thing under these circumstances. but usually anger keeps the fire of "life" lit.. and dying becomes less of an option in the heat of anger. And you know what every one Else sees? They see an angry hate filled person. A hopeless cause. how ever our "morals" stop us from allowing extermination of self or others. Well, the ones of us who are strong enough. Finely. It is easy to feel trapped and hopeless under those circumstances. At that point anything you do will be scrutinized. People Can say, shrug it off. But once you have questioned your self deeply enough the sense of shame is so overwhelming that functioning is hard, and pointless. Depression sets in. You are looked at as feeling sorry for your self, when in reality, there IS no sorry there. there is nothing any more. Unless your unfortunate enough to hold onto the anger caused by the treatment, and blame every one for it. There is never the salvation of hope in that. In psychosis, you are in an Abyss. you are alone from every one. Things are no longer real or not real. There is no place for those thoughts in psychosis. Things fly in and then leave. You learn to hold on to the small things, but know they can be taken away. Some times the Doctors Take it away, and some times it is an illusion or some force that takes it away. either way you no longer have it. You recognize that every thing is fleeting, and time is a thief. The only one who can pull you up from this is yourself, but your not even sure how you got there in the first place, how would you know how to get out? That is the belly of psychosis. No more right, no more wrong. Raw emotion swirls around like little dust delves. pointless. But your still existing, why?
I'm quite certain that more than 90 percent of psychosis is the unreal situations that people put a diagnosed psychotic in to try to "cure" him or her. A lot of the people who think it's necessary also have their own control issues so they are people who on their own initiative drive other people crazy and screw up their lives.
as i told you, ewxista, i am not an existentialist devotee, but i am gonna quote Satre's 'Other people are hell'...! tat i feel is true, can be veeeery tru. fukin mind games yeah? read this really very insightful book years back called: Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg autor said how at first the child manages to duck from the negativities coming from adult world, but soon, and more so for some tan otes the negative feedback can take effect also last night. was thinking how M U C H we have lost. how muh freedom. was tinkingof how Native Amercian poples were crowded into aawfil awful 'reservations' an tepoples of our country, etc ---taken frm the open wonderful land and stuffed into grim dirty cities remember seeing a docu about the poverty in LOndon in late 19th century. emember Britain was n empire with vast vast fortunes for te rich elite. yet the pooor lived in utter hovels. kids had no shoes. one character protrayed. want to knowhow he made a 'living'?he was down in the sewer searching through the shit for trinkets he could sell to keep his familiy
For once I can agree with you - the part about the American Indians. But that last part you've given a twisted depiction. No one "stuffed" them into the cities - they made the decision themselves to leave the countryside and move there. It was their choice.
lighty....you just go along making it up as u go dont you??.....you come into treads wit your authoritarian assertions with absolutely no back up---just your opinion forced down everyone' throat----as tho they wereborn yesterday fr one:: yo aint even answerd thelast questin i asked you about Ralph Metzner... and2, you juststate some thing and expect your....'class' to just accept your obvious propaganda. so where is the evidence? maybe we should do another tyhread. cuse is one's bout 'what is psychosis' just to say then. it wasn't te people of the LAND, the commonrs, who CHOSE the fucin 'Enclosures' that threw them OFF the land in the indsutrial revolution. the people whyo--under fuedal system--had managed subsistence were tol they could nonlonger use common land. people--like the 'peasant poet' John Clare were suddenly not allowed freedom to ROAM the COMMON land. he went 'mad'. look him an his poetry up and errr, get PROPER education!
Some of the most important things are learned the "hard way". Once we can put aside hurt feelings, and accept on some level that we may have been wrong. We open a gate to understanding. That is a hard thing to do. When your mind and emotions are telling you one thing, but "reality" and people are saying another, it's very confusing. It's a "Bite the bullet" kind of situation. it applies, I think, in coping with psychosis. I am coming from the "other spectrum" of psychosis, and accepting that not every one actually experiences it, so they honestly believe it is impossible. I could fight and cry and shout all day that it is NOT impossible, because it happened. but those who have never experienced it will never have a personal understanding of it. It is unfathomable. Which is heart breaking. I mean, it does make you feel so sincerely alone. looking for people out there who Have experienced this "state"... even if they don't share the exact interpretation of it that you experienced. So, I am not longer going to say "it Happened, it did not happen." I just want to honestly try to ignore it, and not feel so damned insecure that it's going to happen again and I am going to be healed accountable for my actions. It is so hard. I want to work with people. And I don't even have to understand them. And they do not have to understand me. But I would like just a little room? I am here. I Do have feelings, thoughts and concerns just like every one else. and some times those things are illusions. Meaning that some one else hasn't experienced a situation the way I have or reacted to it the way I have. But when you can not "trust" your own senses. You visions, sense to feeling, or smell and sound. It is Hard to put a "faith" in some one else that "they Know". when you can't trust your self. you can not "trust" any one. It is a hopeless place at times. I so Wish it can be fixed. So I think about all the Drugs, and counseling ways to cope with it. I feel that that is what Most people in the profession are also trying to fix. it isn't perfect because no one "knows" for certain yet what it is. I think, that those of us who are in this internal conflict within our selves also need to respect that not every one can comprehend what we have been through. But those who believe us, ARE trying to help. Even if they do not understand it. They would not try to help if they did not care to some extent. I really believe that. I wish we all could. But it is hard to have faith in some one who hasn't experienced what you have. That is where trust and faith come in handy. Even if they can not readily give that trust to us. the gap should be closed from one side at least. Right?
