Rise up!

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Da Vinci, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Da Vinci Impossible is nothing Registered Senior Member

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    We must rise up the intelligent people of this society. The ones who see that the US is going to fall with or without their consent. Our government just like those in the past are following the same pattern. We are slowly but surely discriminating against those who are different, gays not having the right to marry or have the same rights, even if you don't agree with their choice you cannot deny this. Sounds just like what they did in the US where it was ok to discriminate against African Americans and prevent white and African Americans to marry. Our government and society is trying to have more control over peoples rights to do what they want. Trying to prevent a woman from doing what she wants with her body. Preventing in some cases protesters their right to protest, arresting them, and preventing right of council in other incidents. We must change are society or we will lose our rights little by little. Us the intelligent people are different (in most cases) from the mass of the people who are following the government blindly. We must be the one who questions our society we must question our government we cannot leave that to other people. A lot of you don't agree with this and frankly I don't give a damn, frankly you don’t apply to this, if you think our government and society is perfect you are not one of the ones I talked about being intelligent you are the mindless mass of the people. I’m talking to those of you who know what I’m saying is true those of you who know that change is needed. We must rise up and do this or suffer the consequences in the future.

    I will not regret posting this even if no one views it or posts anything on it. I don’t care.
     
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  3. AmishRakeFight Remember, remember. Registered Senior Member

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    I noticed the fact that you've established for yourself, without a shadow of a doubt, that you are intelligent. Also, I noticed how you've defined "intelligent" as "the people who see that the government is corrupt and must be questioned". So, apparently, the people who don't question the government are stupid, by default. Does this include local governments as well? Or just our federal government? Is being cavalier and revolutionary a sign of intelligence too?

    Anyway, to sum up your whole paragraph, the liberalization of America should be made inevitable and is neccessary to the safety and wellbeing of everyone in the USA, "intelligent" and "stupid". But how liberal do you want America to be? Some things I agree with you about, some I don't. It's inevitable. But how far is too far? Sure, gays should have rights. But fifty years ago that was absurd, even asinine to say. Are our forefathers unintelligent as well? In fifty years, will our progeny be telling us that pedophiles should be given rights? After all, what's a couple years between partners

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    ? We should all tolerate the pedophiles, right? What about the rapists? After all, they should be allowed their rights to a woman's body, whether the woman agrees or not. Who are you to impose your will on them? :bugeye:

    Basically, I'd like to know how liberal and how critical of our government you want the "stupid people" to be.

    AmishRakeFight
     
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  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    good you shouldent regret posting this.


    "rise up" that is something very few are willing to do, i am a true revolutionist, i will be willing to fight for it, we need mass movement and revolution,

    debating in parliment will get us nowhere, we need action, but who is willing to sacrifice what they have for the good of our children?


    not many,


    peace.
     
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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    Right On Da Vinci, i am most defininately with you, and i findit incredibly refreshng to read your aareness of whats ging on, as i find it increedibly depressing when pople just dont get it, and will argue the toss that 'things is jest fine'. well THEY are facist conformers in my opinion and need challenging justlike theones at te top

    did you know they recently did a survey. they asked people on the street including young people what te Five freedoms of their Constitution were, and most didn't know, but they KNEW the names of te haraters from the Simpsons, and other celebrity crap info....ohhh yeah. but yet totally oblivious to the fact their freedoms aregoing down the pan, and quick. how sad is tis

    YES. we all need now to get fukin serious. of course by 'rise up' i am sure you, nor me mean a bloodytrevolutin. that is out. thy neve come to anything, and all of tat game is central game forthe facist mentalitiy. they LOVE war, and love perPETUAL war more

    no. what we need to do and encourage is right now begin looking at the structure. how they operate. how te do propganda. and speak out against it. not blindly follow authority. you can only begin to do tis when you start seeing how it works. i also like to look at the ROOTS of ths, which you will find in patriarchal mythology?

    when you wannna dig a diseased plant up, what do you do??....dont you ROOT it out?
     
  8. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, well - let's see what on another channel. Most of what you're complaining about is already being fixed. Seems you're about 15 years behind in the real state of social affairs. (Yawn)
     
  9. Da Vinci Impossible is nothing Registered Senior Member

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    15 year behind? You call the bill that was passed in North Dakota to ban abortion in most cases old? Limiting the right for gay people to marry or even have the same right as other marriages I'm pretty sure that’s not old. Preventing right of council for suspected terrorists that’s not fixed. So what exactly has been fixed? The problems we had 15 years ago we still have.
     
  10. Da Vinci Impossible is nothing Registered Senior Member

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    Firstly your right I might not be part of the intelligent people so lets just change all the words that I said "we" into "you" happy with that? The people that don’t question the government have the false pretense that its fine and it doesn’t need any change so yes most of those people are extremely stupid. I think in general your just misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying go out and start a revolution I'm saying our government and society need drastic changes so it can adapt with the times, we must change them or we‘ll never change productively for our society. Now a definition of a revolution is a movement that causes change in small period of time. I'm not saying that. Maybe a revolution would be good for us but no one knows that. You saying this about our forefathers confuses me when they wrote the constitution they were writing it on how it would work back then that’s why they allowed amendments to change the constitution I’m not saying they were stupid I’m saying we need to change it due to the simple fact society has changed. Again I think your misinterpreted my document I am not saying that pedophiles should have be tolerated and frankly you saying this about them and rapists has nothing to do with what I said.
     
  11. AmishRakeFight Remember, remember. Registered Senior Member

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    3 entries found for revolution.
    rev·o·lu·tion
    1.
    1. Orbital motion about a point, especially as distinguished from axial rotation: the planetary revolution about the sun.
    2. A turning or rotational motion about an axis.
    3. A single complete cycle of such orbital or axial motion.
    2. The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another.
    3. A sudden or momentous change in a situation
    4. Geology. A time of major crustal deformation, when folds and faults are formed.

    Main Entry: momentous
    Part of Speech: adjective
    Definition: important
    Synonyms: big, consequential, considerable, critical, crucial, decisive, <b><i>drastic</b></i>, earth-shaking, earth-shattering, epochal, eventful, far-reaching, fateful, grave, heavy, heavy number, historic, material, meaningful, memorable, notable, of moment, outstanding, pivotal, serious, significant, substantial, vital, weighty
    Antonyms: insignificant, trivial, unimportant

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    I don't see where you didn't say go start a revolution.

    Sorry about that, I know you didn't advocate pedophiles or rapists. I was just making a point about the liberalization of America.

    And when I said "forefathers", I was talking about our "fathers" be<u>fore</u> us. In other words, our previous generation of the fifties, not our American "forefathers".

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  12. Da Vinci Impossible is nothing Registered Senior Member

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    Well the reforming of the society we live in doesn’t need to be a revolution type movement. It can gradually happen overtime, but yes I suppose through out what I said I was going in the direction of a revolution. However reforms I’m talking about aren’t bound to that plane. I think the same applies though our fathers and their fathers could never have imagined the world we live in today and our society and government need to change to accommodate it.
     
  13. Light Registered Senior Member

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    No, not at all.

    Abortion was once TOTALLY illegal, that was changed long ago with Roe vs Wade. The North Dakota thing will not stand up.

    And where have you been during all the the happenings on gay rights? In many places they have the right (privilege) of getting married and there are lots of places where that union is granted the same things under law. Adoption, health care for their significant other and various other things. There was none of that, either, 15 years ago where you seem to be stuck.

    You say "suspect terrorists" but that's only one sub-group. And many of them ARE getting lawyers now. The ones that are not are those classed as "enemy combatants" and no one has EVER given POWs the right to "counsel" (which is the correct word).
     
  14. Agitprop Registered Senior Member

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    The liberal preoccupation with gender issues, gay rights, etc...superceded focus on basic human rights and reemerging class issues like the disappearing middle class. This has been going on for twenty years while the fascists and globalists slowly gained power.

    Liberals went from skanning a broad horizon of common social interests, to a myopic preoccupation with special interests. With the rise of the New Age movement the gaze moved down to the naval, and then further down the chakras until they disappeared up their own asses.

    They have noone to blame butt themselves.

    Understand I'm not anti-gay or anti-feminist. I just don't think it's the only game in town.
     
  15. Da Vinci Impossible is nothing Registered Senior Member

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    Technically abortion was once totally illegal but if you wanted to get an abortion and you had enough money to do it. Its just like pot its illegal but people can easily get it. Ok I found two places that grant the privilege of getting married in the US Massachusetts (where only residents can get married at this point) and Multnomah County Oregon. That doesn’t seem like a lot of places to me. They only have civil unions in Vermont and Connecticut. They only have "domestic partnerships" in California, Hawaii, DC, Maine and New Jersey. Gays have the exact same rights as married couples under the law in one state Vermont. Still doesn’t seem like a lot of places to me. Yeah yeah I'm stuck 15 years ago......................stop saying that because 15 years ago I couldn’t write, or basically think for myself that was just getting annoying. But not only are these suspected "enemy combatants" not getting and right to counsel no information on them are being released just look at Guantanamo Bay. There they aren’t even getting any of their basic human rights.

    No matter what you say our governmental system and society need change.
     
  16. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    rise up???

    AGAINST WHAT??? AND IF FAVOR OF WHAT?

    -MT
     
  17. Light Registered Senior Member

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    All I can tell you is dream on, dreamer. Utopia will NEVER happen.
     
  18. IWannaBeCrucified Registered Senior Member

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    Violent revolution? He's calling for the intelligent people of today, not the meatheads. Alright, so the intelligent people go out to fight and they all die. Shit. What next? Nothing. There is no way a revolution to take over the United States could work without foriegn help from say, Russia.
     

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