am i the only one who has noticed just how much other homo sapiens enjoy abusing their fellows, whether physically or emotionally? i just wanted to get this question out there, not directed at anyone in particular but you know who you are, before they ruin my life with meds just like they ruined my brother's...
trying to avoid personal examples for the moment, other than the holocaust and bush i'm struggling to come up with enough examples to thoroughly prove my point. if no one helps, i'll have to dwell on my personal life some more and hate the people/person who have/has singlehandedly destroyed it.

yeah, old news. people have always sucked.

Try working in retail for 24 years. People really suck. They really really suck.
But, today was my last day in that world. Yay! Quit the retail bidness! Becoming a Bohemian for awhile. Yay!

(But, I digress.....people suck)

Holy crusades
Slavery
Genocide
Any war that lasted longer than a day
POWs used for medical experiments

Many examples.

You need a hug?

Thank god they do. If not, I would be out of work. :cool:

am i the only one who has noticed just how much other homo sapiens enjoy abusing their fellows, whether physically or emotionally?

if no one helps, i'll have to dwell on my personal life some more and hate the people/person who have/has singlehandedly destroyed it.
I believe your life is what you make it, ;)
and if you make an ass of yourself there will always be someone ready to ride you :D
blaming others for you problems will get you nowhere fast.
stop feeling sorry for yourself and get your shit together!

before they ruin my life with meds just like they ruined my brother's....
Thoses Communists bastards. :D

if no one helps, i'll have to dwell on my personal life some more and hate the people/person who have/has singlehandedly destroyed it.

You give this person or group too much credit. There's a reason people say living well is the best revenge.

well, you know, the communist bastard in question makes it difficult... but i digress... i really should just shut the fuck up and stop having feelings, you know? they only get in the way. and the starving kids in india have it so much worse...

Nobody said you shouldn't have feelings, but isn't this the 35th time you've made a thread about society being full of shit and how depressed you are?

well, you know, the communist bastard in question makes it difficult... but i digress... i really should just shut the fuck up and stop having feelings, you know? they only get in the way. and the starving kids in india have it so much worse...
Have feelings, just stop sharing them so much. The world doesn't care and you only get ridiculed.

Yeah, Niudo, I don't think you should be externalizing your mental state. Its OK to dislike people, but to blame them for your failures is unacceptable. Live by your own rules.

oh shut up everyone. need an example? this thread will do. i love it to pieces that you're a normal angst ridden teenager who isn't "normal". everyone sucks, stick with that. have your feelings and if you want to write angsty poetry, no matter how bad it might be, by all means do. listen to emo. complain about injustice. make 35 threads on how much people suck. be young. and everyone else can eat me if they don't like it.

*proceeds to eat SwedishFish until he is no more*
Listen, I'm a pretty angsty teenager myself. That's why I write in a journal instead of filling up this forum with useless threads.

'angst' is just a nice way of calling someone a confused brat. Please ignore SwedishFish, her advice is bad. This is the fork in your life when you have to make a conscious decision:

(a) be happy as a confused brat
(b) face up and fix your problems

by all means, DO NOT write angst poetry for anything other than a joke!

Yeah, I have to agree with Xerxes here. Letting teens wallow in their anger and confusion leads to nothing, no wonder there are so many "goth" kids and so much bad poetry about slitting wrists.

No one stresses "Take control of your life"...they just say "It's ok to feel this way"...no one tells them that "It isn't ok to act that way...all the time".


Niudo

Life sucks so far? Yeah, it won't get better by feeling angry about it. You let that person destroy your life...you are the one who let them get through to you to do the damage only to end up like another kid in a Linkin Park video..alone and depressed in his room. Stop wearing your heart on your sleeve.

sorry... i'll shut up... journals didn't work; that's the bringing of the meds; and this wasn't supposed to be about me, this was supposed to help me build my case against humanity for a history project, but whatever.

it's not wallowing, it's expressing. but go ahead, hold it all in and work on your ulcer.

it's not wallowing, it's expressing. but go ahead, hold it all in and work on your ulcer.
No it is wallowing. There are a lot of better ways to deal with unrelenting confusion and pain. Simply writing it down and remembering it over and over is not good therapy.

if no one helps, i'll have to dwell on my personal life some more and hate the people/person who have/has singlehandedly destroyed it.

Not gonna help ya much. I say you join a band...make something out of your experience, it'll feel great.

I say you join a band...make something out of your experience, it'll feel great.
But wouldn't that involve "writing it down and remembering it over and over"? :confused: ;)

they only get in the way. and the starving kids in india have it so much worse...
It is so sad and it is very much true. :(

But wouldn't that involve "writing it down and remembering it over and over"? :confused: ;)
OK I walked into that one...but atleast it is leading up to something (A song)...make sure you have a decent guitarist...good solos can add great deal of dignity to a band.

Everclear, a band from my home town, basically makes a fortune based on songs about the f**ked up childhood of the lead singer. So if the music is tolerable, it's not a bad idea.

And complaining will only bring on advice that usually doesn't work.

i support silverback.maybe swedishfish needs to forget things that won't do good. and its no point cribbing about people sucking. remeber you are also one of the tribe. and yes people should really live the way they like and stop walking all the time on the thin rope of social acceptance

I'm a dutch guy who got dumped recently because his girlfriend couldn't wait 3 months until he was finished with his thesis so he could come and live with her.

yes, just 3 fucking months was too much.


that sucks.


No, I don't fucking know what to do next in my life. Probably drink a lot.

No it is wallowing. There are a lot of better ways to deal with unrelenting confusion and pain. Simply writing it down and remembering it over and over is not good therapy.



Not gonna help ya much. I say you join a band...make something out of your experience, it'll feel great.


SHE DID JOIN A BAND, LOL. Mine. I showed dear Nuido that life does not suck, Isn't that right precious? We turned that frown upside down. (no, I'm not a crazy cheerleader, i'm just really bored. I think I'll go leave the x-men cartoon theme on her answering machine a few hundred times.)

people suck
Hey, Niudo, YOU SUCK YOUR (optionally dead) GRANDMA'S UNDERPANTS!!

People only suck when they hurt you or those you love. if you realy love someone, they reject you and dont even say sorry howevr miserable you are, that sucks and you have a good reason to hate them instead.

if people laugh at your problems + try to make them worse just for fun, that sucks.

when youre trying to do something worth while + someone stops you just for spite, that sucks.

if you realy love someone, they reject you and dont even say sorry howevr miserable you are, that sucks and you have a good reason to hate them instead.

Woman, you have some fucked up sense of affection.

Now.., I’m not sure, but I think you might have been used as a blowup doll a few times too much. Next time a muscular hunk confesses he’s eternal love for you, be sure to check if he has relieved he’s manly desires. If he has, he might not be lying.



if people laugh at your problems + try to make them worse just for fun, that sucks.

Ahahahahahahah.. *pokes with a really sharp stick*


when youre trying to do something worth while + someone stops you just for spite, that sucks.

Yeah, I can like totally relate to that. That sucks.
And like, when your mom tells you to clean up your room.., i hate that bitch.
I wish I were dead.

Thoses Communists bastards. :D
Hey!

THOSE UGLY, UGLY BASTARDS!!

It is true that there are some people that make life difficult and I try to avoid those types of people as best I can. If I must work for someone that is a real dick head I try to stay clear of them and work around them as best I can. I choose my friends and they don't suck at all matter of fact they are very cool and we get along fine althogh at times we don't see eye to eye we still are friends that don't hold a grudge. So you decide who you want to be around and if your surrounded by people who suck ....MOVE ON!

Attachment is what sucks. You get attached to a person or a thing and it forgets that your best interests are all that really matters, loses its mind (if applicable) and goes haywire on you. Or makes you go to school(attachment to freedom and sleeping in) or breaks your heart( attachment to the idea love is forever) or is just plain unpredictable ( attachment to the idea and ease of predictability) or decays and spoils. Whatever the case these things happen and even though at times when it involves a person sucking up your peaceful or at least not miserable times, they do or could consider your feelings but theyre already drifting with some momentum into another way that is bound to kill..if youre attached to the old way, and never seeing it this coming. As I get older n fucking older I put more and more cases of disappointment behind me but that teaches me things. It teaches me if nothing else, to not get too comfortable and overindulge my self in familiarity and ease because nothing good lasts forever, few good things last very long even, the best of things, have the shortest life of all. One potential good thing that could last a lifetime tho: practice detachment by only taking so much enjoyment with a thing to last the moment youre actually enjoying it. One good thing to use reflection for is to prepare yourself for all the possibilities you can think of especially the harsh ones. Fantasizing can be useful if you play out the really horrible possibilities in your mind very briefly to take the edge of the shock and emotion of it. Leave memory and anticipation due to memory alone, otherwise. Rate how you feel at any given moment by what is directly affecting you like the immediate environment, your present state of bodily health, obvious imminent threat etc.So again leave your thoughts about things not present alone and evaluate. Most of the time youll find.. that right then and there nothing is happening that could be apparent to anyone else that should make you miserable unless its like painful gas or something. Deal with that. Save the misery that comes from your thoughts for a time when those thoughts arise in the form of something real. Like when the asshole or the bitch comes walking along with their new lover to torment you. If you played it right you spent your time prior not thinking a thing about them, then you see them and suffer you maybe throw dogshit on them and then when theyve gone, you laff about it cuz you wouldnt want to screw someone who had dogshit on them and then... forget it. Distract yourself if necessary. It takes work to do this kind of thing. Can you think of anything better to work on?> it means owning something good that lasts a lifetime. Self control, detachment, untroubled perspective. armor against the suckage, Saviour of Dignity. These are things im becoming aquainted with just lately after close to 40 of people sucking up my life. Fuck them. Or me, im available. Yep heh

ps you know what sucks? that i dont know how to use paragraphs. someone teach me k

its handy to know that many other people fels as pissed off as you, me etc. tied to shitty jobs, shitty environments, all the mediarized frantic rat ace of it all......people stuck in traffic jams. feelin they've got to be as pretty as the postrs they see...women thinking thier breats are big enough....even men ae goin there now.....too many wrinkles,,,,too fat.......lodads of all that
it is like everything's going so fast. people dont have any space cause of the pressures to be 'high achieves' of just to keep head above water.....and pushed in yer face from media are all the ones whove supposed to have made it....and everything is cut sos you dont hear farts, yawns, longeurs.....real livin. so everyone's trying to live up (not EVERYone) to an image that doesn't REALLY exist..........reminds me of an old Talkin Heads song

Attachment is what sucks. You get attached to a person or a thing and it forgets that your best interests are all that really matters, loses its mind (if applicable) and goes haywire on you. Or makes you go to school(attachment to freedom and sleeping in) or breaks your heart( attachment to the idea love is forever) or is just plain unpredictable ( attachment to the idea and ease of predictability) or decays and spoils.

Whatever the case these things happen and even though at times when it involves a person sucking up your peaceful or at least not miserable times, they do or could consider your feelings but theyre already drifting with some momentum into another way that is bound to kill..if youre attached to the old way, and never seeing it this coming. As I get older n fucking older I put more and more cases of disappointment behind me but that teaches me things. It teaches me if nothing else, to not get too comfortable and overindulge my self in familiarity and ease because nothing good lasts forever, few good things last very long even, the best of things, have the shortest life of all.


One potential good thing that could last a lifetime tho: practice detachment by only taking so much enjoyment with a thing to last the moment youre actually enjoying it. One good thing to use reflection for is to prepare yourself for all the possibilities you can think of especially the harsh ones. Fantasizing can be useful if you play out the really horrible possibilities in your mind very briefly to take the edge of the shock and emotion of it. Leave memory and anticipation due to memory alone, otherwise. Rate how you feel at any given moment by what is directly affecting you like the immediate environment, your present state of bodily health, obvious imminent threat etc.So again leave your thoughts about things not present alone and evaluate.


Most of the time youll find.. that right then and there nothing is happening that could be apparent to anyone else that should make you miserable unless its like painful gas or something. Deal with that. Save the misery that comes from your thoughts for a time when those thoughts arise in the form of something real. Like when the asshole or the bitch comes walking along with their new lover to torment you. If you played it right you spent your time prior not thinking a thing about them, then you see them and suffer you maybe throw dogshit on them and then when theyve gone, you laff about it cuz you wouldnt want to screw someone who had dogshit on them and then... forget it. Distract yourself if necessary. It takes work to do this kind of thing. Can you think of anything better to work on?> it means owning something good that lasts a lifetime. Self control, detachment, untroubled perspective. armor against the suckage, Saviour of Dignity.

These are things im becoming aquainted with just lately after close to 40 of people sucking up my life. Fuck them. Or me, im available. Yep heh

ps you know what sucks? that i dont know how to use paragraphs. someone teach me k

There, does that help?

Woman, you have some fucked up sense of affection.

Now.., I’m not sure, but I think you might have been used as a blowup doll a few times too much.

Thats so insulting!! Believe it or not, Im not cheap - just romantic.. so take your dirty thoughts somwher else! :mad: I was talkin more about people who reject you without ever givin you a chance to make them happy.. some of us are cursed to fall in UNREQITED love :o

And like, when your mom tells you to clean up your room.., i hate that bitch.
I wish I were dead.

Im sure your mom wishes so too. not cleanin your room is pure laziness, shes got every right to ask it.

As I get older n fucking older I put more and more cases of disappointment behind me but that teaches me things. It teaches me if nothing else, to not get too comfortable and overindulge my self in familiarity and ease because nothing good lasts forever, few good things last very long even, the best of things, have the shortest life of all.

Vossist mate youve clearly had it bad. :( I hope I dont end up thinkin that way after a decade ot 2. But hey - you still got most of your life left, and all it takes is meeting 1 person who turns out right.

People suck, life sucks. What else is new?

Meds don't suck. My shrink doesn't want to use them on me, so I have to resort to over the counter meds. What I wouldn't give for Accutane again. I think I got addicted to it or something.

Heh, what a pathetic creature. Try curing yourself with a large mallet. :cool:

A few days ago I had to administer to the health needs of a man in a fit! I'd never met this man before in my life. I was called to him in the middle of his fit and saw to his needs until he was back on his feet.
Some time later I discovered this man was in the prison were I work for raping his thirteen year old daughter.
I didn't really care.
My job is to save or enhance life.
Sure this man sucks but in keeping him alive and healthy Do I?
It's not my place to judge.
It's not my place to make my charges suffer.
It's not my place to withdraw treatment to those whose actions I despise.
I know all these things but in treating this man I saw my own power and enjoyed it.
On dicovering his crime I wondered about that gratification.
People suck for doing bad
People suck for doing good.
Good and Bad don't exist... only places to stand!
Peace

Some time later I discovered this man was in the prison were I work for raping his thirteen year old daughter.
I didn't really care. That's abnormal, and unhealthily detatched.
My job is to save or enhance life. Yes, it is.
Sure this man sucks but in keeping him alive and healthy Do I? No.
It's not my place to judge. Why not? You think that you have to respect him just as much as the most perfectly intelligent, decent, caring person in the world? Of course not. He's not only insane, he's a complete asshole who takes pleasure in abusing others.
It's not my place to make my charges suffer. You are correct, but it doesn't mean that you can't disapprove of what he does. Nobody has a place to make others suffer, and those who override that are not worth respect. Ie: that man.
It's not my place to withdraw treatment to those whose actions I despise. Correct.
I know all these things but in treating this man I saw my own power and enjoyed it. You shouldn't take such pleasure in your own power, unless it was taking pleasure in helping that person. For example, you would have also had the power, and in a way a stronger power, to withold treatment from him and let him be injured or perhaps die, and that would be unhealthy. Help people, but do it for them or even yourself, not for short-lived foundationless power.
People suck for doing bad Yep.
People suck for doing good. Wrong.
Good and Bad don't exist... only places to stand! I couldn't disagree more, though I know there are people who may agree with you. By helping him, you aren't condoning his crime. If you had held his daughter down while he raped her, that would be bad. This was a good act. Some places to stand are destructive of others or one's self, and those are bad places. Grudges shouldn't be held against people like that, but their past does need to be kept in mind. For example, I would have helped the man in the fit, but I wouldn't let my daughter near him (if I had one). If there is no good and bad, how do you justify anything you do? Are you only doing it to make the moments pass by? I do things because I think they are right (most of the time, at times I do things that are wrong and later regret them), and take satisfaction in what I can. Without good or bad, not only is there overwhelming cruelty (because bad is easier than good, so people would gravitate to it more), but there is no real reason to live. Not to say I live to do good things, but it makes it all less pointless.

By helping him, you aren't condoning his crime. If you had held his daughter down while he raped her, that would be bad.

Nonsense!

How is that bad?
Women getting raped have this annoying habit of trying to defend themselves.
If you don't hold her down while he rapes her, you are condoning her scratching his eyes out.
Then he'll go blind.

What's more valuable to you? A man's eyesight or her dignity as a human being?
If its the latter, you foul worm, how could you possibly justify your respect for another?!
If a man goes blind, he cannot see.
Which is a handicap so he cannot work.
Because he cannot work, he goes on welfare.
Becuase he'll be stuck at home being ridiculed for being on welfare he'll grow depressed.
And being depressed he'll either kill himself or you when you try being nice when you give him a cookie.

But the girl getting raped now has priceless gossip for her girlfriends, and she'll keep the underwear as proof.
How dare you not help the rapist instead.

But the girl getting raped now has priceless gossip for her girlfriends, and she'll keep the underwear as proof.

Just one problem with that.
There's such a stigma involved in rape that often the women hide it for years. They don't gossip about it.
Although, I am sure that some do.
Especially after 30 years when they can blame their whole failure of a life on it.

gendanken: You have a very good point, which would be complete and perfect, striking down all of my logic and morals, except he won't go on welfare because he's going to be in jail. ^_^ Have a nice day.

yuri:
gendanken: You have a very good point, which would be complete and perfect, striking down all of my logic and morals, except he won't go on welfare because he's going to be in jail. ^_^ Have a nice day.
I'm too rotten for nice days, sodomite!

Jail *is* welfare. One point more for Gendanken....

Remind me how I'm a sodomite? :eek: Well.....well....yo mama's in jail. Point for me. And anyway, nobody gives inmates cookies, and they're monitored so they can't kill themselves (easily). Another point for me. Two points to one, watcha gonna do now?

Both of you are sodomites.

Nobody is going on welfare or to jail.
It's all speculation.
You should hold eachother down while Uncle Sam rams you silly.
Hopefully by then you would have something to gossip about.

am i the only one who has noticed just how much other homo sapiens enjoy abusing their fellows, whether physically or emotionally?

What do you expect for a bunch of apes? Did you ever notice that not all people do that? Perhaps everyone does to some degree. Still, there are an aweful lot of wonderful people out there too, caring for one another. I'd guess that as a percentage of the whole, the present time is likely the most peaceful time for humans on earth since the first tribes clashed eons ago.

Jail *is* welfare...

so if criminals dont deserve this shelterd life at the expense of everyone else, what we going to do with them? Bring back the death penalty for evry statute crime from shoplifting up?

I'd guess that as a percentage of the whole, the present time is likely the most peaceful time for humans on earth since the first tribes clashed eons ago.

I like that. despite all the badness stil in the news, perhaps it is a beter world now than it ever has been.
Kim Stanly robinson wrote a short story which ended with the words

"I beleive that man is good. I believe we standa tthe dawn of a century that will be more peaceful and prosperous than any in history."

"Still, there are an aweful lot of wonderful people out there too, caring for one another."
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Huh?
Where?
Where can we find such a creature?


"Did you ever notice that not all people do that?"
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Good grief. Who cares? What's your point?

"so if criminals dont deserve this shelterd life at the expense of everyone else, what we going to do with them?"
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What sheltered life? Do you have a life?


"I believe we standa tthe dawn of a century that will be more peaceful and prosperous than any in history."
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I believe that this changes nothing.

What sheltered life? Do you have a life?

I mean that they get free housing + food, laundry, rec rooms, librarys, cinemas etc all in their prison - more than a lot of non-criminals get, like tramps or even single moms. Often inmates dont have to work for it much, as they sometimes spend most of the day in their cells (wether or not they want to).
Yes I have a life - not always exellent, but I canh ave a good time. Can you ?

I believe that this changes nothing.
Beter for people as individuals to suck if the world overall is peaceful + prosperous - than for the world to be violent and sick + starving, and people still sucking!

"I mean that they get free housing + food, laundry, rec rooms, librarys, cinemas etc all in their prison - more than a lot of non-criminals get, like tramps or even single moms. Often inmates dont have to work for it much, as they sometimes spend most of the day in their cells (wether or not they want to)."
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That's the biggest joke on the planet.
Woops I forgot. You must be talking about the prison on planet fairyland.

Sweden, Norway, Denmark... list goes on.
Prison tourism was very popular among Russians some years ago, but now they are immediately returned.

Cool Skill:
Both of you are sodomites.

Barring tools and fingers, I can't sodomize.

Think about it.
You should hold eachother down while Uncle Sam rams you silly.

Uh-oh.

I thought it was you (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=43652) that Uncle Sam was ramming (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=42949) silly.

Yuri Sakazaki:
Remind me how I'm a sodomite?
Because I said so!
*grin*
And anyway, nobody gives inmates cookies, and they're monitored so they can't kill themselves (easily). Another point for me. Two points to one, watcha gonna do now?
I'm going to scalp you line by line, oh my brother.

Cookies is what they call an STD in, uh, Sing Sing.
And everybody knows that guards use the term 'we monitor our prisoners with round the clock surveillance" in place of "we're really scouting for free porn".

There's a vid somewhere of Gary Coleman getting a new asshole.....

Muhahahhahhahahaha

Jennryater:
so if criminals dont deserve this shelterd life at the expense of everyone else, what we going to do with them? Bring back the death penalty for evry statute crime from shoplifting up?

Wouldn't you rather see them all killed?
All that tax money used to keep them would be used to pay the Bush twins’ tuitions instead.
Doesn’t that make you feel productive?

"I thought it was you that Uncle Sam was ramming silly."
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Think again.
You pay taxes.
Taxes pay me.
Who's getting rammed?

That's the biggest joke on the planet.
Woops I forgot. You must be talking about the prison on planet fairyland.

So what prisons are you thinking of? 3rd world dungeons with 30 in 1 room.. at least in American prisons theres some kind of privacy at night.

American prisoners are treated like crap, and live under inhumane living conditions. Hopefully next time you go to prison, you will know how good it it really is. As for now, I suggest you stop watching movies because obviously you are incapable of handling their adverse effects.

American prisoners are treated like crap, and live under inhumane living conditions. Hopefully next time you go to prison, you will know how good it it really is.
What the hell are you talking about?

Ever seen Karachi 'police' or been handled by Mexican prison 'guards'?

If you put your average American prisoner next to a Pakistani cop, the cop looks like a starving Ethiope.

America is the first place I ever saw a homeless person and years later after being acquainted with the legal system, I couldn't believe that these people would rather stay on the streets in place of kiling someone in order to be thrown in jail.

Think again.
You pay taxes.
Taxes pay me.
Who's getting rammed?
Aren't you That Guy That Really Really Hates America?
That's my point.

At any rate, your tax money pays my light and gas bills.
Mine pays yours.
So?

Come the day I'm finally instituionalized, guess who'll be paying for my bensodizapines (sp?)?

"Ever seen Karachi 'police' or been handled by Mexican prison 'guards'?"
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Ever burnt in hell?
Irrelevant. What they do in Karachi, Mexico, and hell does not change the status of American prison.


I couldn't believe that these people would rather stay on the streets in place of kiling someone in order to be thrown in jail.
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Easy to say from the outside. I see movies do have a huge influence on the braindead.

Easy to say from the outside. I see movies do have a huge influence on the braindead.

so I asume youve had 1stand experience of prison life - or maybe been a guard? Im not ashamed of being a prison-virgin + if all I know of it is what Ive seen in movies and TV, I can be proud..

Proud of what? Having a seriously demented view of prison reality?

Damn.

My initial position in this thread was pure idiocy, I entered it laughing my ass off in boredom.
And now you have to go and make me all serious, Culo

Ever burnt in hell?
Irrelevant. What they do in Karachi, Mexico, and hell does not change the status of American prison.
Its of the highest relevance, STUPID.

To make any statement- specifically that concerning 'quality'- you need to define it.
Which requires contrast.
And contrast requires something to compare to.

Without which, you can't define something as 'crap' with nothing to go on.
Example, you'd never condemn prison life as 'crap' without first acknowledging the quality of civilian life as 'good'.

Therefore, going by MY experience of seeing American prisoners taken to the hospital for a fucking cavity
Or
Always noticing that the major grievances of American prisoners are things like psychological trauma and self esteem issues where in contrast (http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Features/Anguka/partm.html) the grievances of African prisoners, say, include the more brutal realities of starvation and disease, I can therefore say the American 'prisoner' most certainly is not treated inhumanely.

He's a yuppie. Like, well, every last one on the forums.

Easy to say from the outside. I see movies do have a huge influence on the braindead.
And your head is the prettiest polyp in your colon.

Bet you've been in prison once or twice, huh?
And came out all traumatized and hardcore?
Is that it?

"Its of the highest relevance, STUPID."
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Ha! Wrong.


"I can therefore say the American 'prisoner' most certainly is not treated inhumanely."
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No you cannot. Rethink your logic.
The fact that it is more humane than hell or whatever country does not make it humane.
American prison system is what I would define as anything but proper treatment of an incarcerated human being.
Sure they might have it worse in Africa or hell or wherever. It’s not relevant. It doesn’t change the fact that American prisoners are not treated properly.

The prison system in Africa or another country does not have an effect on the quality of prison in America.
You are stating that American prisoners are treated better than African prisoners. Therefore, American prisoners are treated very well.
Prisoners in Africa are not burning like in hell. Therefore, African prisoners are treated very well.

By definition, ‘very well’ is not relative to Africa or hell. Treated ‘very well’ would mean that a prisoner would receive better treatment than they should.
Regardless of the case of other countries, American prisoners receive worse treatment than a prisoner deserves.

To apply a quality on something, you would need a basis of comparison.
People suck. America sucks. The prison system sucks.
Compared to what?

Fakists base comparisons to face value qualities of less desirable circumstance.
“Other object is worse. Therefore, this object is ‘good’.”

Realitists compare to what realistically would be considered ‘good’.
“Unless this object lives up to standards of what I would consider ‘good’, it doesn’t matter the quality of other objects are. The quality of this specific object is not ‘good’.”

A prisoner being treated properly would be treated according to X standards.
Prisoners are being treated better than X. Therefore, prisoners are being treated very well.
Prisoners are being treated worse than X. Therefore, prisoners are being treated improperly.

Whatever you say about the way prisoners are treated in other countries, it is not going to change the fact that American prisoners are treated improperly.
Your basis of comparison is not standards of proper treatment.
Your basis of comparison is less proper treatment.
Africans are treated more improperly than Americans.
Americans are still treated improperly regardless.

To say that American prisoners are treated better than they should be treated is blatant ignorance.

A prisoner being treated properly would be treated according to X standards.

And X standards are calibrated how exactly if all the proponent of X knows is-
People suck. America sucks. The prison system sucks.

If this is what I'm doing:

“Other object is worse. Therefore, this object is ‘good’.”

This is what you're doing:

"I don't like this object. Therefore, this object and everything in it is 'bad'"

Wanna talk about fakists? You're the very thing you malign- the honky tonk, supraconservative porch monkey, narrow-minded White.

And when did I say it was good? Better, moron, better.
That's a qualitative judgment- the same judgment you made to call X and Y humane or inhumane.
Or, waxing eloquent to quote you, 'crap'.

Regardless of the case of other countries, American prisoners receive worse treatment than a prisoner deserves.

I know.

Like going to counseling, free, for his esteem issues or going to the doctor, free, for a fucking cavity on tax money.

"And when did I say it was good? Better, moron, better."
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You're obviously claiming that prisoners are being treated better than they should be. It has nothing to do with 'better than other countries'.
As I stated: "Blatant ignorance". Your above examples show that you obviously have no clue about the reality of being in prison.


"This is what you're doing:

"I don't like this object. Therefore, this object and everything in it is 'bad'"
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That is not what I'm doing. Get it correct.



"If this is what I'm doing:

“Other object is worse. Therefore, this object is ‘good’.”
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Yes that is what you are doing. It would be incorrect to say so.
A prisoner in another country is being treated less properly. Therefore, prisoners in America are being treated better than they should be.


"a fucking cavity on tax money."
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LOL! I wonder if you'll be saying that when you are behind bars for no reason.
The only thing that is a cavity on tax money is frivilous and ineffecient budgeting. If the funds were budgeted correctly, prisoners would be treated properly with fairness.

Thornatmyside, know something?

Right now I’d have my fists on your jugulars for being so incredibly....dense.
Hey looky, I’ll end up in prison and then you can could out if I’d say the same behind bars!

That is not what I'm doing. Get it correct.

That is exactly what you're doing you. IDIOT.

Define "properly" and "fair" for someone who forfeits most of his rights by living "improperly" and "unfairly" by the standards of the community he lives in.

And even then, is entitled to and protected by the provisions of his nation’s constitution.

You are claiming I am saying this: "I do not like something. Therefore, it is bad."
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I'd like to think that it is the opposite.
Something is bad. Therefore, I do not like it.

I simply have conclusions of what is just and what is unjust good/bad. Yes I think something is bad. Naturally, I would not like it.

You are backwards.

cool skill:
Being an expert on taking it up the ass does not make you an expert on prison.
Now shut up.

In other words- "Genanken, ugh. Like, uhm, *flips hair* whatever"

Checkmate, Oh my brother.

cool skill:
Being an expert on taking it up the ass does not make you an expert on prison.
Now shut up.
Great. It's the attack of the drones. Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.
As if you even know what we are talking about. Expert.

Looks like that discusion got way too bitchy for my likin in the last few hours. Thanks for stopping it Xev.

Hey - at least Cool skill finaly learnd how to use quote tags in his posts.

Ignorance.

Yeah people suk.

Vossist mate youve clearly had it bad. :( I hope I dont end up thinkin that way after a decade ot 2. But hey - you still got most of your life left, and all it takes is meeting 1 person who turns out right.[/QUOTE]


hmm im not sure why you think ive had it so bad. ive had it a little bad. but ive learned a lot. that was my point. not to complain. i leave the past in the past unless theres a good reason to explore it for the now :P

Cool Skill:
Ignorance.
I totally respect your mind.

Now, can you pretty please define fairness for one who forfeits his rights by living unfairly according to standards set by community.

And even then, is entitled to and protected by the provisions of his nation’s constitution.
I'm being anal.
Speaking of:

"Bet you've been in prison once or twice, huh?
And came out all traumatized and hardcore? "

You never answered. hmm..geee..

Lp:
Yeah people suk.
Suk is a slutty last name, a Korean one, or a Czech (http://www.naxos.com/composer/suk.htm) composer.

Looks like that discusion got way too bitchy for my likin in the last few hours.
Bitchy?
I'm nothing if not nice, loving, and horribly accepting.
Fuck off.

Ok, that wasn't funny. Nice try though.

Yes it wasn't.

I guess you are not aware that the US constitution is the basis for our laws that set standards for how criminals are to be treated. They are treated far below the even the standards the American public/constitution has set. You seem to be under the impression that they are being treated above standards.


"one who forfeits his rights"
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It doesn't matter what crime one commits. Although they are punished upon being found guilty, they still have certain rights that should be protected according to the constitutional law. Too bad corruption is so high in the prison system that the United States constitution is overlooked. Corruption and failure to abide by the set standard is evidence of a disorganized country.

Yes it wasn't.

Wasn't meant to be, there really is a Czech composer named Suk.

I abhor the butchered one liner in a thread so I pick at it.

I guess you are not aware that the US constitution is the basis for our laws that set standards for how criminals are to be treated. They are treated far below the even the standards the American public/constitution has set. You seem to be under the impression that they are being treated above standards.

Then you are insane.

I have yet to see a place that (purportedly) esteems human life to such preposterous scales:
http://www.corpun.com/awfay9405.htm

Where you can't even call a stewardess what she is.

And have yet to see such bickering over the wording of 200- plus year documents for the sole purposes of due process of law- the English Parliament a close second.

People suck is a generality that needs more precision.

It’s true that humans suck but none more than women and a few men that are homosexual.

Unless, by the term suck, we include all instances of straw usage or inhaling oxygen.
Then, truly, people suck.

It doesn't matter what crime one commits. Although they are punished upon being found guilty, they still have certain rights that should be protected according to the constitutional law. Too bad corruption is so high in the prison system that the United States constitution is overlooked. Corruption and failure to abide by the set standard is evidence of a disorganized country.Speaking from personal experience I can say that sometimes punishment isn’t as punishing as it appears to be.

My brief stay at a local penitentiary was filled with anxiety and anger, in the beginning.
Eventually my cellmate, Crusher, warmed up to me and taught me the true meaning of love and sexual ecstasy.

What, in me, was bitter and sad, was tenderized and smoothed out by the expert hands – and other appendages – of a man who accepted me as his prison bitch and who I now remember fondly as a friend.

This is how a negative experience can turn into a life-altering positive one and how what was thought to be vile and unnatural now warms my heart and makes my buttocks tingle.

All people should suck, if they don’t already.
Through the vacuuming powers of the human mouth a lot of stress and dirt can be cleaned away and smiles can return to glum faces.

Perhaps there were bad days when my anus was left gaping and aching and when my mouth was cramped-up in a frozen ‘o’ shape, but they do not compare to the many rewards.
His free smokes, his warm breath on my neck, how we let me shine his boots, the soap in my eyes when we showered together.
This is the stuff memories are made of.

So, suck your neighbour, my friends.
Thanks Crusher. Thanks for teaching me that love is not such a constricting concept many people use to discriminate.

Sucking: Also a good source of protein.

Unless, by the term suck, we include all instances of straw usage or inhaling oxygen.
Then, truly, people suck..

You know what the threads about. Smart-ass.. :rolleyes:

Speaking from personal experience I can say that sometimes punishment isn’t as punishing as it appears to be.

Eventually my cellmate, Crusher, warmed up to me and taught me the true meaning of love and sexual ecstasy...His free smokes, his warm breath on my neck, how we let me shine his boots, the soap in my eyes when we showered together

Ooohhhh.... :eek: :eek: your either totaly full of BS.. or this is a true tale of surendur to the evils of Shawshank-redemption bogey man land. Hadf you come out as gay BEFORE you went to jail, or did this bull-qeer completely break you? I cant really think from a mans point of view, but if you were the pasive/forced partneryou must hav learnt to think like an unexperinced woman.

what you wrote is just too wrong for a straight guy. you got to be winding us up.

jennyRater
You know what the threads about. Smart-ass..I believe it’s about people sucking.
Am I wrong?

Ooohhhh.... your either totaly full of BS.. or this is a true tale of surendur to the evils of Shawshank-redemption bogey man land.I don’t know, I was never at that prison.

Hadf you come out as gay BEFORE you went to jail, or did this bull-qeer completely break you? I believe it was a little of both.
Beforehand I was a real macho, manly sort of man.
I spit, scratched my nuts, bragged about the snatch I bagged, avoided all physical contact with other males, unless it was during sporting events when a slap on the tush did spark some early inner butterflies I couldn’t explain.

Then, afterwards, in the showers I would find myself getting hard when the guys undressed and soaped up.
But I didn’t think anything of it.

Crusher brought out my feminine side.
I’m not ashamed of being comfortable with my sexuality and hip to the times.
You don’t know what it’s about until you feel every inch of a man slowly slipping inside you and stretching you to your limit; pain mingling with pleasure, his heavy torso pushing you down, forcing your face into the tiles, the guys jeering and taunting and laughing at your facial expressions of misery and ecstasy.

I’m thankful for those experiences.

i BET you ARE...

yeah, i know Crusher. have the bruises to prove it!
he can be a bit heavy handed, sure, but good in bed-in-the-cell as YOU have found out

Wasn't meant to be, there really is a Czech composer named Suk.

I abhor the butchered one liner in a thread so I pick at it.

Who cares.



Then you are insane.

How?




I have yet to see a place that (purportedly) esteems human life to such preposterous scales:
http://www.corpun.com/awfay9405.htm

What's the point of that article. I read the story of the American criminal that got caned four times. The judge reduced the sentance out of fear for America.
That article is too long to read. What is the point?
America esteems human life too high?
I guess you do not believe that there is nothing more valuable than human life.



Where you can't even call a stewardess what she is.

And have yet to see such bickering over the wording of 200- plus year documents for the sole purposes of due process of law- the English Parliament a close second.
Whatever.
Our rights are not the result of the law.
The law is the result of our rights. (Or what is commonly agreed on as our rights.)
The constitution was written to protect the rights of humans.
No matter what crime you commit, a person should not be tortured, raped, or whatever.
Needless to say, there are proper procedures to follow in treating criminals according to our rights.

You are claiming that constitutional law upholds more rights for a prisoner than it should.
You also seem to be under the impression that these laws are being upheld correctly.

You don’t know what it’s about until you feel every inch of a man slowly slipping inside you and stretching you to your limit; pain mingling with pleasure, his heavy torso pushing you down, forcing your face into the tiles, the guys jeering and taunting and laughing at your facial expressions of misery and ecstasy.

I’m thankful for those experiences.

You should be writing gay romance novels for S+M freaks!!

No more here, please!! youre ruining my image of men generaly. :(

its true then, people REALLY suck. And you mustve 'sucked' far too often. (BTW, did Crusher make you incontinent?)

jennyRater
Allow me to respond on behalf of Wanderer because our pasts seem inexplicably linked.

No more here, please!! youre ruining my image of men generaly.

its true then, people REALLY suck. And you mustve 'sucked' far too often. (BTW, did Crusher make you incontinent?)Although my current inability to hold in my shit might become a source of hilarity for me it’s another reason to feel embarrassed and inferior.

Crusher taught me many things.
One of which was: never bend over for the soap when showering with another man.
Another was: A hole is a hole, what’s the difference if it’s male or female?
A third is: Do anything to survive. Including cleaning your cellmates underwear with your mouth.
This makes me the perfect supporter for Bush and explains why me and Bob and Baron Max have so much in common.

Thanks Crusher.