today for the first time it has gone on public display in spitalfields east london. i have not attended the display as of yet but will be going down to check it out over the weekend hopefully.

http://www.steorn.com/orbo/claim/


it is still going through scientific studies as we speak. because many scientists were very skeptical of the claims.

peace.

Right. I'll jump on my revolutionary Segway and zip right over to... Spittlefields? I'm not familiar with that part of London, and I don't really have a revolutionary Segway (remember that hype?). Should I wear some old rubbers? Boots, Yanks.

Well, since I can't really go to London right now I'll just check out the live demonstration (http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html).

Hum, hm-hm... OMG that perpetual-motion machine looks just like Big Ben! It [b]is[/] Big Ben! Clever bastards, hiding it right in plain sight for a century or more!

Wait. Sorry, it' another fucking hoax.

i will judge it when i see it. also i will wait for the scientific test results to come back.


peace.

Wait, shmait. I know what a hoax smells like. It's sort of like,

well, I don't know how to put it exactly.

In a strange world where free energy suddenly emerged, there would be no hoopla before the fact. It's like free love: You don't say "Hey! Over here! Free Love demonstration in, um, a few minutes more, no

maybe tomorrow."

When Free Love, or Free Energy happens, it won't require any hoopla whatsoever in order to become recognized. Because it would be free, and good. Free and good doesn't need a sales pitch.

Wait, shmait. I know what a hoax smells like. It's sort of like,

well, I don't know how to put it exactly.

In a strange world where free energy suddenly emerged, there would be no hoopla before the fact. It's like free love: You don't say "Hey! Over here! Free Love demonstration in, um, a few minutes more, no

maybe tomorrow."

When Free Love, or Free Energy happens, it won't require any hoopla whatsoever in order to become recognized. Because it would be free, and good. Free and good doesn't need a sales pitch.


experiments are already taking place in labs across london. i am reading the newspaper report on this issue as we speak. it may very well be a sham but i will leave the conclusion up to the scientists who are doing the testing, because i dont have a clue what its about personally and i am new to this whole thing. so for me to assume anything it would be highly illogical as i am so unneducated on the matter,


you might be 100% correct but i am still curious.

peace.

Right. I'll jump on my revolutionary Segway and zip right over to... Spittlefields? I'm not familiar with that part of London, and I don't really have a revolutionary Segway (remember that hype?). Should I wear some old rubbers? Boots, Yanks.

Well, since I can't really go to London right now I'll just check out the live demonstration (http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html).

Hum, hm-hm... OMG that perpetual-motion machine looks just like Big Ben! It [b]is[/] Big Ben! Clever bastards, hiding it right in plain sight for a century or more!

Wait. Sorry, it' another fucking hoax.

Did you happen to figure out what the fucking time was in London when you posted that? Do you have trouble understanding the meaning of the term "live" demonstration? Big Ben is just there to let you know that it's the off hours. It's five hours later there than Eastern Standard in America.

Well, I thought they might have had the wherewithal to loop this stupendous, world-changing demonstration of Free Energy, instead of views of a megachron. I do realize what time it is (23:20)- as a pilot, I bow toward Greenwich with every weather briefing and flight plan.

Due to technical difficulties, today's demonstration was postponed until tomorrow. I found that sad news, and the stunning image below, at engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-demonstrated-tomorrow/)

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/0000ee0510dr.jpg

It does look like nice, sturdy, and shiny aluminum construction. Someone should invest a welder, so they don't need all those fiddly brackets. Mustn't let that flux capacitor shake loose! Pine 2x4s might have served as well, but not attracted the big investors. Looks like they committed enough funds for a quality high-school science project there. Doesn't look like the Answer to me, though. Maybe we'll all find out tomorrow.

Here' some skeptical background on Steorn at The Calladus Blog (http://calladus.blogspot.com/2006/08/steorns-free-lunch-free-energy-i-think.html).

Due to technical difficulties, today's demonstration was postponed until tomorrow. I found that sad news, and the stunning image below, at engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/04/steorns-orbo-free-energy-machine-demonstrated-tomorrow/)

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/0000ee0510dr.jpg

It does look like nice, sturdy, and shiny aluminum construction. Someone should invest a welder, so they don't need all those fiddly brackets. Mustn't let that flux capacitor shake loose! Pine 2x4s might have served as well, but not attracted the big investors. Looks like they committed enough funds for a quality high-school science project there. Doesn't look like the Answer to me, though. Maybe we'll all find out tomorrow.

Here' some skeptical background on Steorn at The Calladus Blog (http://calladus.blogspot.com/2006/08/steorns-free-lunch-free-energy-i-think.html).


yeah its very "iffy" but ofcourse its going to be because it kind of goes against the laws of physics. if somebody did find a way to create free energy, how long would it be before the government stepped in to shut it down? because we all know the government would lose money if energy was free,

peace.

This stuff is like UFO claims: An emergence of radically advanced technology ripples out into our technosphere, uncontainable. It's like giving Americans the Atom bomb, and expecting them not to try it out on civilians. If energy were suddenly "free", we would find ourselves racing into the Singularity faster than you can say "Wh

Here is one funny thing about a free energy device. The sheer mass of custom-made parts to build a prototype precludes attempts to use it as an energy supply for further projects. It would already have to be a production model available in stores or mail order for it to be usable, unless it was extremely compact and high-energy. So far the "free energy" and "perpetual motion" devices that even might work do not qualify as backpack megawatt generators even if they did work.

Now, if one of them weight less than ten tons, could be had within a reasonable budget, and generated ten megawatts continuously for years at a time, that would be a usable energy source for further high tech. We're starting to talk about something that could be loaded on the space shuttle and power some super powerful drive.

Here is one funny thing about a free energy device. The sheer mass of custom-made parts to build a prototype precludes attempts to use it as an energy supply for further projects. It would already have to be a production model available in stores or mail order for it to be usable, unless it was extremely compact and high-energy. So far the "free energy" and "perpetual motion" devices that even might work do not qualify as backpack megawatt generators even if they did work.

Now, if one of them weight less than ten tons, could be had within a reasonable budget, and generated ten megawatts continuously for years at a time, that would be a usable energy source for further high tech. We're starting to talk about something that could be loaded on the space shuttle and power some super powerful drive.

That's a rather silly bit of nonsense. If you could build/buy one that only produced a single kilowatt continuously, it would be worth it's weight in gold. Just five of them would power the average home with most of it left over for half of the 24-hour day.

I think I have an idea for an energy creating device being close to free energy. The energy would be free to you but the generator creates its energy by changing the energy of heat into electricity.

It might not work in the winter though:(

I think I have an idea for an energy creating device being close to free energy. The energy would be free to you but the generator creates its energy by changing the energy of heat into electricity.

It might not work in the winter though:(

There are hundreds of devices that do that already. From the lowly thermocouple up to the Stirling engine and beyond.

That's a rather silly bit of nonsense. If you could build/buy one that only produced a single kilowatt continuously, it would be worth it's weight in gold. Just five of them would power the average home with most of it left over for half of the 24-hour day.

I wasn't talking about powering the home with them at that moment. Even then, you've got a headache that you really don't want to go through if you have less than about a five to ten kw capacity, in other words, the capacity to do the whole home from one source.

I wasn't talking about powering the home with them at that moment. Even then, you've got a headache that you really don't want to go through if you have less than about a five to ten kw capacity, in other words, the capacity to do the whole home from one source.

With just a small number of add-ons, like a nighttime chiller for the summer, 5 Kw is plenty for ther average home in North America. And there would still be plenty left over to sell back through the utilities for over eight hours a day.

If every home was equipped with that, the excess could supply all the needs for industries and electric vehicles - all without a single power plant operating anywhere. (Of course, industries could just install their own, for that matter.)

It's all really pointless, though, because there will never be a true 'free energy' device.

There are hundreds of devices that do that already. From the lowly thermocouple up to the Stirling engine and beyond.

The thermocouple is very ineffecient and takes an energy source greater than it's out-put energy just to produce milli-volts. The Stirling engine seems interesting but I guess it just wasnt efficient enough for them to be used as small sized and portable generators.

Anything else?

Just curious how many of us are running on free energy by now.

Anyone? Anyone thinking and posting faster now?

Anybody upload yet/Anybody in there?

Just not if you can hear me?

OK, I'll try back in 100 years or so, or until we think out loud together.

Ready?

OK, I'm tired of waiting in my time. If you can just interrupt something, th@

Orbo Free Energy Demo Botched
http://pesn.com/2007/07/05/9500478_Orbo_Demo/
Widely publicized pending demo of Steorn's free energy prototype at the Kinetica Museum in London, promised to be streamed live around the world, opens with the device not working and a no-show on the Orbo demo site for first 24+ hours.
by Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
Adapted from press release
With a few updates
LONDON, ENGLAND -- Steorn, an Irish technology development company, announced on July 4th that they would publicly demonstrate a real-life application of their Orbo free energy technology for the first time.


Free Energy

Steorn's Orbo technology is said to be based on the interaction of magnetic fields, allowing the production of clean, free and constant energy. The company announced that the exhibit on display will demonstrate work being done by the spinning of a clear polycarbonate wheel with no recourse to external energy -- at least not any that is perceivable using present methods of scientific analysis.

The company says that Orbo free energy technology is fully scalable and can be applied to virtually all devices requiring energy, from cellular phones to cars.


Botched Start Due to Technical Difficulties

A company press release dated July 4th announced that people from around the world would be able to view the exhibit via live web cams, and that they would be able to select different camera angles and thus be able to view the exhibit from various positions.

The demonstration was originally announced to begin at 6:00 pm Eastern Time, July 4 in the Kinetica Museum gallery of London, but "due to slight technical difficulties", the publication of their real-time streaming was postponed to July 5th.

A person, apparently in the know, reported to the Steorn forum:
"...they ran into some technical issues, firstly a problem with the bearings, which was fixed once identified. The next issue appears to be an environmental issue. We think possibly the temperature from the lighting system in the immediate area, but this has to be further assessed in the morning."
As of 6:00 am Eastern, July 5th, 24 hours after it was supposed to air, the officially designated demonstration link (http://steorn.com/orbo/demo) had been pulling up blank, or with a "not authorized" error message. This could be due to the site not being able to handle the high volume of traffic being sent there from a fair number of popular news services that have carried the story, including Wired, Slashdot, EnGadget, Geekzone, RTE News, Silicon Republic, Belfast Telegraph, Irish Times, EarthTimes, Inquirer, and Product Reviews.

This delayed start has resulted in a barrage of predictably negative comments posted on these various news and discussion sites.

Later (as of at least 14:15 pm London time, 10:15 am Eastern, July 5), the site pulled up, with the following opening notice:
"We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience."
According to the museum web page announcing the Orbo demo:
The Museum opens at 11AM [London] on Thursday 5th July.

The 4th of July Steorn press release originally stated:
The exhibition at the Kinetica Museum, in Spitalfields Market, East London, will be open for a private view only today but will be open to the public from every day from 11am to 7pm, Thursday 5th July until Friday 13th July inclusive, when the exhibition will close. Admission is free and the museum is based at SP2 Pavilion, Spitalfields Market, London E1 6AA.
Those who traveled great distances to see this demo are not going to be thrilled about this let-down.

This botched start is a serious setback for Steorn, who had hoped to prove so many skeptics wrong, but who are now gloating with words to the effect, "who ever expected anything but this?"

At least with the cameras now accessible, the curiosity factor returns. The simple demo device resembles the Perendev magnet motor, a video of which has been seen by probably several million people.

On June 6, Steorn finally opened the doors to allow observers into the room, though the device still was not working.

Steorn had no doubt hoped to have the thing running in time for Al Gore’s Live Earth concert on July 7th, which is expected to be viewed by as many as two billion people around the world, hosted in 10,000 locations, in addition to the Internet. That would certainly reverse their bad luck, if they could attain favorable mention during that environmentalist rally.

However, at the end of the day on June 6, Steorn posted an update to their press release, saying that the demonstration would be postponed to a later date. According to CEO, Sean McCarthy:
"Technical problems arose during the installation of the demonstration unit in the display case on Wednesday evening. These problems were primarily due to excessive heat from the lighting in the main display area. Attempts to replace those parts affected by the heat led to further failures and as a result we have to postpone the public demonstration until a future date. We apologise for the inconvenience caused to all the people who had made arrangements to visit the demonstration or were planning on viewing the demonstration online."

Steorn's Challenge to the Scientific Community
On 18th August 2006, Steorn placed an advertisement in The Economist to attract the attention of the world's leading scientists working in the field of experimental physics. The advertisement issued a challenge to the world's scientific community to step forward and prove its claims wrong.

Several thousand scientists stepped forward to take the challenge, but only 22 were appointed to test Steorn's claims. The review process began in January 2007 and is still ongoing. Steorn will publish the results of the process following its completion.

In the press release, Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn, commented: "We've decided to demonstrate our Orbo technology in a global and public forum to raise greater awareness amongst the product development community. We want to give equal access to developers so they can use this technology to power products that will bring benefits to everyone. Ultimately, it's also a reminder to the world that this free energy technology is being validated and will definitely happen.

"We expect the vast majority of our audience to view the exhibit online, but rather than just stream a demonstration of the technology from an undisclosed location, we purposely decided to have a tangible working device that people could come and physically see for themselves."


Top 100 Technology

Since they first made their announcement last August, Steorn's technology has been listed in the New Energy Congress' "Top 100 Energy Technologies". However, the NEC does not concur with Steorn's explanation of how the technology works (energy ex nihilo), but expects that reasonable scientific explanations will be forthcoming once the scientific community has had enough time to study and characterize the effect. Neither does the NEC think that Steorn is the only company to have discovered and harnessed such an exotic effect. Their listing includes several other technologies of similar ilk.

ho hum...

Temperature from the lighting system is causing their machine problems, and monkeys fly out of my butt. I'm not Steorned enough to take them seriously.

We couldn't turn off the lighting and continue the demonstraion, because we had to anal-yze the situation for another day. Yeah, that's it.

Lamers.

The thermocouple is very ineffecient and takes an energy source greater than it's out-put energy just to produce milli-volts. The Stirling engine seems interesting but I guess it just wasnt efficient enough for them to be used as small sized and portable generators.

Anything else?

Yes, the thermocouple is not efficient, but that wasn't the point at all. I was replying to the idea of converting heat into useful energy.

Of course that's not all. Practically every machine for generating power has a stage that converts heat into useful energy. A steam turbine, a gasoline engine (yes, the first stage is converting chemical energy into heat BUT the next stage converts that heat into power) and the list goes on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6283374.stm

Yes, the thermocouple is not efficient, but that wasn't the point at all. I was replying to the idea of converting heat into useful energy.

Of course that's not all. Practically every machine for generating power has a stage that converts heat into useful energy. A steam turbine, a gasoline engine (yes, the first stage is converting chemical energy into heat BUT the next stage converts that heat into power) and the list goes on...

I see what you mean.

Anyway's hopefully one day I guy build what I thought up. Even if it sucks and produce no energy or very litte energy, then at least I'll know what doesnt work.

Good to see you all got there before me. Steorn are clearly a bunch of lying con-artists who deserve to be tarred and feathered.

Of course, they might just be stupid or cynical enough to believe their propaganda.

I repost a bit of what I put on my blog about this:

To summarise their excuses as to why the London demonstration didn’t work:
The bearings were rubbish and fell apart. (Strange how this never happened before, I thought they had a working model.)
They had only a 3 day timeline to get it up and running for the demo. (Strange how they were so confident last year that they had a working engine)
Previously, they had blamed the heat from the spotlights. (strange how they never bothered to go and get some cheap fluorescents)

Allegedly they increased the air gap between magnets. (And if they were actually engineers or scientists, they would not have done this without knowing what would happen, because they would have played about with it like this before and so known what would happen.)

Perhaps it was the sarcastic tone, or else all my livejournal friends know enough physics to know that Steorn are wasters, but nobody replied to my post.

This stuff is like UFO claims: An emergence of radically advanced technology ripples out into our technosphere, uncontainable. It's like giving Americans the Atom bomb, and expecting them not to try it out on civilians. If energy were suddenly "free", we would find ourselves racing into the Singularity faster than you can say "Wh

But that is a good thing, right?

Is a singularity a good thing? That depends on your values.

Is a singularity a good thing? That depends on your values.

Define what you mean by singularity?

Free energy is necessary for human survival. Fossil fuels are limited and once we run are reserves dry. Economies all around the world will crumble. A world war will result in the modern countries fighting over the rights to the remaining energy. Which would result in death of most of the world and back to the basics of hunting or raising cattle. And because the energy from fossil fuel is what allowed us to discover what we now know. Humanity could be stuck in a cycle of non-advancement of technology.

I'd take my chances.

Hypewaders was, I assume, talking about the singularity, a common name amongst geeks and nerds for a moment in the future where technology and science and AI etc all come together and the advacnes and changes in society and people become almost instantaneous. Go look it up on google, it doesnt make sense unless you read up on it.

Free energy is currently a con trick, as Steorn have just demonstrated. You'd be better off putting money into ITER, the European fusion plant project. Or failing that, improved solar cell technology, as well as wind and wave power.

Quite right, guthrie. I was also, clumsily, trying to express what my expectation of the rapid general apparentness must always be, whenever any stupendous discovery is made. If this is not already an accepted premise in behavioral science, it should be.

Whenever someone suggests that there is some revolutionary technology held under wraps somewhere, say a free-energy device or extraterrestrial spacecraft, the claim is nonsensical, because human ambitions are uncontainable under such circumstances. Any truly great discovery is like a large stone dropped into a still pond- readily detectable all around within a very short time.