http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4463142.stm

brilliant the justice system in britain isnt it.

i would have liked these 3 bastards executed live on television - as a signal to any other would be murderer, get caught, get dead.

You know, the whole "eye for an eye" thing is a limitation on punishment as well.

On another note, it's odd that the article starts off by saying that Christopher Yates was beaten to death by three Asian men and then changes it's story, saying it was three English born men of Pakistani decent - I'm not sure how that amounts to Asian.

Also, from what I read there, I'd have to agree with the judge, it doesn't sound as if this is a racially motivated killing. Yes, still a killing, and it's a bit of a shame that they got off with 15 years for going on a drunken rampage and killing a man, but I don't see much cause for racial outrage here.

whats funny about this thread is that all the brown people who keep calling white people racist blame white people for EVERY problem they have.


canada is awsome,mexicos a shit hole. europe a paradise,africa is a pit stain on humanity.


not all problems are the white mans,the predominatly white countries out do there brown counter parts at every turn.

blame your selves for your faults,not cry racist cause your country sucks.



sorry,just ranting.

not all problems are the white mans,the predominatly white countries out do there brown counter parts at every turn.

blame your selves for your faults,not cry racist cause your country sucks.

Yes, I can see your point, clearly it is other people who have a problem with raceism, not you. You've got me sold on that idea.

You know, the whole "eye for an eye" thing is a limitation on punishment as well.

On another note, it's odd that the article starts off by saying that Christopher Yates was beaten to death by three Asian men and then changes it's story, saying it was three English born men of Pakistani decent - I'm not sure how that amounts to Asian.

Also, from what I read there, I'd have to agree with the judge, it doesn't sound as if this is a racially motivated killing. Yes, still a killing, and it's a bit of a shame that they got off with 15 years for going on a drunken rampage and killing a man, but I don't see much cause for racial outrage here.

i dont believe that society should be punished because roy whiting decided to 'give in to his paedophilic sickness'

execute - get rid - no more cost

at the same time - execute - there we have an example to every other paedophile, a reason not to 'give in to their sickness'

As for asian born, british born asian, asiabritish, britisian... lets put it like this

"a dog born in a barn isnt a horse"

Now i CAN find examples of supposed racial killings where the perpatrators were convicted and sentanced with 'die nigger' or 'die paki' being a contributory factor in the time they were judged to serve.

The manner in which the judge, society, individuals can so blatantly disregard the fatcs, the psychosis of such murderers i find appauling. To said judges, elements of society and certain individuals...

"when i am king you will be first against the wall"

bla bla bla, nothing of any value

Yeah okay, but still not Asian.

Yeah okay, but still not Asian.

yawn, dont you have some trees to hug?

Congratulations Quagmire. Thirty two posts and you have convinced me you are narrow-minded, ill informed, reactionary, brain dead idiot. [And while we are at it, get a new script writer. The tree hugging gag is not only irrelevant, it doesn't work in any of the threads you have used it in.]

Damn, quagmire reminds me of someone. Now, who could that be?

How trivial. HUTU POWER !

I don't even live near any trees. . . I might hug them if I did, I'd be glad to have them. Palm trees don't count, they're evil deserty plants and would slice you open as soon as give you some shade!

While we're on the subject of Quagmire, isn't it sort of comforting to see that the UK has it's rednecks, too? I thought there was just something really wrong with the US.

Come on over, Quagmire, we'll treat you right, get you some Budwiser and take to to watch some NASCAR - shirts and shoes optional!

It drives me crazy when people think that whites are the only racist. I don't think it's that bad though. Maybe in America...but in other parts of the world it's different. IN germany it's the Germans and the Russians. In England it's the Muslims and English. In America it's the whites and blacks...now the mexicans.
I like what Qua said "A dog born in a barn is not a horse." But Qua what's wronge with hugging trees?

certain accounts seem hell BENT on avoiding the issue, it would appear they can legitimise wrong doing to a fashion and attempt to understand the murderers and empathise, what i find strange is that there is a victim and the victims family whose view it would be good to look at the problem from.

As for accounts that see fit to scorn me, do i consider any of you highly enough to really care. if it only takes 30 odd posts of disagreeable subject matter to get your back up then perhaps the problem isnt mine :)

And red back, red neck red whatever, you could do with working on your chat up technique pal, the budweiser and nascar line ever got you any action??? :D

hug-a-tree ... i named this thread because of the link and the evidence therein, i am only too aware that had it been 3 white guys kicking a pakistani guy around the floor whilst spouting racist taunts/comments then the public outcry and the sentancing would have been much much severe.

Britain - the land of double standards.

15 years for going on a drunken rampage and killing a man,

The key word here is *drunken*. Basically, 3 yobs got off their heads and acted in an aggressive and cowardly manner against another person thereby causing his death. The racist taunts they hurled at the man were merely the expressions of deeply ingrained frustrations they felt after 3 generations of being on the receiving end of racist prejudice, propaganda and violence from other idiots in their host country.

whats funny about this thread is that all the brown people who keep calling white people racist blame white people for EVERY problem they have.
If you're going to call blacks 'brown' - it is probably more accurate, but I don't get the impression that you're going for technical accuracy alone since you forgot that whites are 'pink' ;)

Pakistanis are Asians. Even Arabs count as Asians. They're from the near-East, though. As all those countries happen to be part of Asia. Did you know Asia has more than slant eyes living there?

If this had been three white men stomping in a Pakis head, shouting "We have killed the Paki. That will teach a Paki to interfere in English business," the judge would have ruled it a racial crime. The other couple incidents would have only added to it.

Isn't it funny how only whites can be racist? And then I see stuff like this used to justify non-white racism:
The racist taunts they hurled at the man were merely the expressions of deeply ingrained frustrations they felt after 3 generations of being on the receiving end of racist prejudice, propaganda and violence from other idiots in their host country.

Right. So white people aren't allowed to throw around racial taunts when foreigners bring their strange language, offensive religions, and take their jobs?

Right. So white people aren't allowed to throw around racial taunts when foreigners bring their strange language, offensive religions, and take their jobs?


Are you asserting that all foreigners are non-white?

Are you asserting that any laguage apart from English is worthy of ridicule?

Offensive religions... as compared to which, inoffensive religion? Why should you care about anyone's religion, as you obviously don't have one anyway?

Give me one example where a good worker was sacked so that his job could be given to a foreigner, simply because the foreigner demanded that it should be so. Britain enjoys a free market economy based on capitalism, innovation, supply and demand and anyone that is willing to work hard for long hours and shit pay can get on the ladder to eventual success, those that wish to be mollycoddled and get paid double time for drinking tea can sleep on the streets.

Are you asserting that all foreigners are non-white?

Are you asserting that any laguage apart from English is worthy of ridicule?

Offensive religions... as compared to which, inoffensive religion? Why should you care about anyone's religion, as you obviously don't have one anyway?

Give me one example where a good worker was sacked so that his job could be given to a foreigner, simply because the foreigner demanded that it should be so. Britain enjoys a free market economy based on capitalism, innovation, supply and demand and anyone that is willing to work hard for long hours and shit pay can get on the ladder to eventual success, those that wish to be mollycoddled and get paid double time for drinking tea can sleep on the streets.

No no no no. This is about perception. How is a white, blue collar Brit blaming foreigners for his troubles different from a non-white blaming white people for his troubles?

blah blah blah brown people blah blah white people
white countries blah brown counter parts
Your post has awkward wording. I mean come on, "brown counterparts"?

Also, need everyone be reminded that everyone is brown? Except for most albino people, that is.

white...brown...black isnt just melanin in skin, its how people act and think

Anyway... back to the trees. I love trees. I hug trees. It hurts a bit when they hug back. I had a tree try to goose me once.

Anyway... back to the trees. I love trees. I hug trees. It hurts a bit when they hug back. I had a tree try to goose me once.

...and may I ask what medication were you taking at that point and what plants did you smell or eat? Opium has a sweet smell...makes trees not just gooses but also girls and more to follow.

Pakistanis are Asians. Even Arabs count as Asians. They're from the near-East, though. As all those countries happen to be part of Asia. Did you know Asia has more than slant eyes living there?

That's mostly a cultural thing, I suppose. In the US we don't call Indians or Middle Easterners Asians, nor would we call a Russian an Asian (A friend of mine, or rather, this guy I know who I can't seem to shake, bitches constantly that his Russian heritage doesn't qualify him to mark "Asian" on any government forms).

Oddly enough, simply because I have a Spanish last name I'm entitled to all sorts of government hand-outs, scholarships and the like for Hispanic people despite the fact that no one in my family has ever been anywhere south of Tucson Arizona and we're from mixed European stock.

Race is nothing but a weird subjective lot of trash.

Its all societys fault, society is responsible, perhaps society should be imprisoned.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, seems to be a couple of dirty words.

If one wants to place the entire earths populace in three known genomes, it is as follows.

Asian
Negriod
Caucasion

as for the word Racist

Websters defines Racism as: The belief that one group is superior to another - usually on a genetic and or geographical level.

Websters then defines Racist: one who believes in Racism.

Websters also defines bigotry as: the belief that your views are the only view worth holding and no other views are valid. Origin: French Heugonauts and Catholic figtht 16th or 17th century war.

One remeber that being a bigot does not equate to a racist. A racist does not equate to a bigot. One can be a bigot without being a racist.

Example:
I do not like carrots and consider carrots the most dispicable vegetables known to mankind. = bigot towards carrots

Racist: All Martians (note: to all Government agencies in order to consider this a racist remark, you would have to first acknowledge that ETs actually exist and that Rosswell actually happened. Since you fail to do both, then martians do not exist this is a fictional racist remark) are nothing but inferior green blooded, black eyed genetic killers.). Plutonians (Again: refer to ET statement) are superior on all accounts to Martians.

that is a racist remark.

A racist can be a bigoted racist. A bigoted racist will hold his views no matter what another person says or proves.

A non-bigoted racist may hear evidence to the contrary and change his views.
Does every one see the huge difference between these words and how they are being abused?

Another related subject is "tolerance"

Websters defines Tolerance: a mutual respect for anothers belief and or view.
this means that if one is tolerant, one is willing to agree to disagree and let that be the argument.
Intolerance; the inability to mutually respect ones views and or beliefs. It is these intolerant people who call you (in general) a racist if you say anything negative about the black community and or any other. In some Naitons, it is a hate crime to do so.

this plutonian can be an intolerant bigoted racist towards the Martian. Does any one see what I am saying?

Let us use these words as they should, not as a means to deprive any one of thier 1st Ammendment right.

Isn't media propaganda great:
3 asians. None of them are asians. All 3 of them are arabs.

i would have liked these 3 bastards executed live on television - as a signal to any other would be murderer, get caught, get dead.
Who is more of a psychopath?
Them or you?

I think the judge probably made the right decision from what the article says..How could you even interpret this as a hate crime?

The U.S. has been through the issue of "only whites are racist". It's a weak argument, but one that centers around empowerment and effect. A black man in the U.S. in 1970 who hated whites had no real power to act on that hatred. To the other, a white man who hated blacks could be a business owner who refused to hire blacks, &c. In the 1990s, a former drug dealer of mine once worked at a record store for her legitimate front. It was a cool store, too. But the owners were Sandpoint Nazis, and they would hire anyone as long as they weren't black, Jewish, Asian, or Hispanic. It's nice to know there's someone out there who doesn't have a problem with gays.