one third of the holocaust

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im not a supporter of it, but nevertheless it's interesting

Whether this guy has a valid point or not, I'd just rather not have to look at stuff like this. Spare me the agony. What's his point? That there was no Holocaust? That there was one but it didn't kill as many people as we think it did? That the Nazis were misunderstood patriots?

That the Holocaust has been used for propaganda and propaganda always exaggerates? That's a no-brainer.

Some of the captions on the leader page just reek of precocious amateurism, is this guy out of high school yet? Sure a tank can use its gun to blow its way into a concentration camp but that's probably not the best way to save the lives of the people inside! Maybe the German military people who dug the graves had done enough prospecting to know where the water table was highest and not dig in those spots, whereas the prisoners didn't have that information! They started burning the bodies so they wouldn't need so much room to bury them! There were plenty of German civilians as well as Jews and captive civilians of other ethnic groups working in the camps, just like any military installation, and the poor camouflage like the barber shop was there to assuage them, not the people who were going to die! No one takes anything in the Reader's Digest seriously!

There were way too many concentration camp survivors for anyone to believe a person who tries to say it didn't happen, if that's his intention. There still are quite a few, the youngest ones who were old enough at the time to understand it all are barely into their 70s.

In "Non Sequitur" a few Sundays ago, the little girl turned to the man next to her on the park bench and said, "It's really cool to see an old guy with a tattoo. But I've gotta tell ya, that's a pretty lame tat. It's just a bunch of numbers."

He explained it to her and she was horrified, obviously had never heard of the Holocaust. She said, "You know they've got some really good technology for that these days. You could get that removed. You don't have to keep it."

He said, "No, I could never do that."

"Oh, I see. You keep it so you'll remember?"

"No dear, I could hardly forget. I keep it so that you will remember."

I do worry about what will happen when they're all dead. Will crap like this start to be believed because it's too painful for the people of Earth to accept the fact that we actually tried to exterminate an entire race? It's hardly the first time. If we remember it, then with any luck it might be the last.

There doesn't seem to be any movement to deny the Turkish Armenian Holocaust, even though it occurred a generation earlier and can't have very many living witnesses. That's a good sign.

one third of the holocaust

http://zamphir.litek.ws
im not a supporter of it, but nevertheless it's interesting
this is also interesting:
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/index.html

this is also interesting: http://www1.us.nizkor.org/index.htmlThere are three sides to every story. The two you hear, and the truth. Something with this much emotional impact is going to generate exaggeration on both sides.

...There doesn't seem to be any movement to deny the Turkish Armenian Holocaust, ...Not completely sure of my remembered facts, but think a couple of years ago there was considerable debate in Turkey about whether or not to appoligize. I think the conclusion was no. Better to stick to the old line. - It never happened.

Please provide a summary of your linked article in future, Constantijn. I assume there was some point you wanted to make with your post, or some question you wished to ask...

one third of the holocaust

http://zamphir.litek.ws
im not a supporter of it, but nevertheless it's interesting
An interesting link, Constantijn, to a very partial site, but one well worth a visit.

I found some of the material weak, thin, and unpersuasive. There have been so many supposed Holocaust "witnesses" whose stories were clearly a pack of lies that it is rather easy to discredit them. But in doing so, one does not demonstrate that the Holocaust was a myth, or even a gross exaggeration.

However, when a highly reputable (?) authority like Arad apparently accepts, as coming from reliable sources, descriptions of the construction of "roasters" and of outdoor cremations that are so palpably absurd, one has reason to question his grip on reality. This in turn may cause one to query the "official" Holocaust story at a pretty basic level.

Is anyone aware of witness descriptions of cremations at Treblinka which sound compliant the laws of physics?

Not completely sure of my remembered facts, but think a couple of years ago there was considerable debate in Turkey about whether or not to appoligize. I think the conclusion was no. Better to stick to the old line. - It never happened.I believe they stopped well short of denying that they had killed all those Armenians, or at least a horrifying percentage of them. They just decided not to apologize. Shameful, but there's a big difference.

I believe they stopped well short of denying that they had killed all those Armenians, or at least a horrifying percentage of them. They just decided not to apologize. Shameful, but there's a big difference.certainly a big difference, but as I remember it, the reason for not apologizing,was the same one Japan has used for some WWII crimes, namely if you do apologize, you are at least tacitly admitting you did do the crime.

That the Holocaust has been used for propaganda and propaganda always exaggerates?

I think we should remember that, as well as how fallacious American anti-Japanese propaganda can be.

No one takes anything in the Reader's Digest seriously!


That is one BIG stereotype.

Whether this guy has a valid point or not, I'd just rather not have to look at stuff like this. Spare me the agony. What's his point? That there was no Holocaust? That there was one but it didn't kill as many people as we think it did? That the Nazis were misunderstood patriots?

Intelligent people usually think it good to be aware of the extent to which we are influenced by propaganda and prejudice.

Before forming an opinion with regard to the historical truth of the orginal events, or otherwise, I recommend to study the history of the issue, the way that the received wisdom has already had to be revised since it first came to light immediately after the Second World War.

--- Ron.