I’m looking for some feed back on some ammo I’m developing right now and to ask if you all see any need for it, or I’m wasting my time…


The ammo will have several kinds in sizes ranging from .22 up to 40mm :cool:

The projectile in my first prototype was .22 cal and after entering the target left a 3 inch hole out the back of target… it is also capable of going though ballistic vests but will not leave the 3 inch hole when used on body armor only a .125 inch hole comes out the other side…

The down side is the range on it is rather limited and accuracy is lacking would be used for room clearing more then likely.


As the cal of the bullets go up the exit wound goes up also…


As for the 40m drawn up a plans for it so that it could be use for hall clearing and street sweeping. Sending out around 30 to 60 projectiles that if it stuck a object would leave 3 to 6inch holes in the person they struck..

The shotgun version fires 4 of these rounds and are capable of having 4 inch exit wounds…

And no there is no explosives in the round beside the charge needed to fire the round… :bugeye:

So is there a market for this should I keep up development or just let it go?
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How's it work? Yeah there'd be a market though your claims need backing up.

Something you might want to check more closely is the legal status of your design.
Many law enforcement agencies, in the US for example, are cautious about getting into
lawsuits for using 'extreme' bullets. The United Nations has something called the Hague
Law in which expanding bullets are not legal in International conflicts. Being ex-military,
I was aware of it, so I looked up a reference. You could probably find more information
if your intent was a possible military round. A cut & paste:
Examples of unlawful weapons



----Poisons or ******** weapons



----Bullets that expand or flatten easily in the human body ("dum-dum" bullets)



----Any weapon the primary effect of which is to injure by fragments which, in the human body, escape detection by X-rays
http://milcom.jag.af.mil/ch15/loac.htm

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your information was helpful I looked around and this is what i found.

"According to the Geneva and Hauge conventions, it is illegal to use JHP type bullets in combat. However, those conventions only apply in times of full-out war. Counter-terrorists are not engaged in warfare, and so, they are allowed to use hollow points against terrorists."


so I could have a market with cops/swat/anti terror units/FBI and peace keeping forces... But when all out war is on they cant be used...

as I under stand it then they could be used in iraq sence the end of major combat has ended and they consider anyone they fighting now terrorists...

I will look around more and see if i can find any more information on restriction on ammo... but from the sight i looked at there is no JHP ammo right now that can also penetrate armor... So might have a nitch market

conventions only apply in times of full-out war. Counter-terrorists are not engaged in warfare, and so, they are allowed to use hollow points against terrorists."

Brilliant


as I under stand it then they could be used in iraq sence the end of major combat has ended and they consider anyone they fighting now terrorists...

no wait this is better

hhehe the top one is " " texted from a paper the other is just what I got of the news not how I feel they call them insergents and terrorists not members of a army that we are at war at, so I guess they could fudge the law a bit 8)

blended metal also penetrates armor without going all the way through the body. You would have competion then.

read about that today also looks like cool stuff to bad it dont seem to work as well in cold weather condistion I would love to see some footage of the tests fireings but there websight of the make is kinda limited on information...


now mix blended metal with my bullet and man would be one nastie sucker thats for sure... by the way anyone know a good place to buy balistic gel?

legal status*lol* someone here built a cruise missile the government was fine with it until the US bribed them

Assuming you're talking about Bruce Simpson in New Zealand, you're full of shit.

I thought the Hague convention only allowed full metal jacket bullets.

well agine odds are it could not be used in a full out war, but spec forces could use them in unconventinal war fair... with a little change to the how the round is made i could have it a full metal jacket with out much problems... might effect the damage track some but still think it would out do most any round on the market or atleast hang in there with the blended metal rounds...

shadarlocoth, I agree there would be a market for such a bullet as you describe.
I only brought up the Hague convention because it would impose a limit to widespread
military use of such a round. And also the legal considerations of having just regular
police carring such a round and possibly shooting a 16 year old kid or some similar
event with one. The lawyers would have a field day if a policeman blew a 4 inch hole
in someone in a questionable shooting to begin with. But for special circumstances,
such as engaging terrorist or possible use by a swat team in a known dangerious
situation, I'm sure such a bullet would be welcomed. Does your round produce the
same chamber pressures as a regular round reliable functioning in semi-auto and
full-auto weapons? Is the recoil the same? If not, then modification of existing weapons or special weapons may be necessary, which would be a deterrent to
the acceptance of your design.

Got vidoe clips?

am I the only person getting tired of military innovation? All my favorite periodicals have turned into "Gun's & Ammo" lately.

I thought the Hague convention only allowed full metal jacket bullets.
It does. The blended metal exploits a loophole, since it uses a FMJ that's simply super malleable and the projectile is still highly frangible on impact.

I dont have access to fully-auto weapons so I'm kinda limited in that department.... the .22 tests did not have a problem with rechambering new rounds when shot... I'm currently ordering in a AR15 for my .223 tests that I hope will go well... as for recoil on the shotgun I can't tell a diffence and for .22 well there was none really to start with... :bugeye:


the shotgun I having some problems with tumbaling so will need to work on it a bit to make that work more effectly... seems 1 out of the 3 to 4 projectiles does not hit the target face on and does some eratic damage track and makes it damaging but not nearly as deadly as a strait on hit... the round still brakes up when it wipps around but takes more penitration before works if it does at all... :(


as for video my camara is not digital and I dont currently have a vid in card in my comp... so kinda hard to get vid to you but will try... :eek:

A major concern for Swat/Police/FBI etc..etc.. is overpenatration. If your projectiles go through people and hit someone behind them....then there is a problem. Also of concern is the penatration of walls etc..etc.. in houses. Im sure somewhere on the Net is a recent list of their ammunition standards.