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View Full Version : new DVD copy protection
spuriousmonkey 02-18-05, 03:29 AM The old copy protection was apparently already ripped 5 years ago. How long will the new one last?
And Linux users will not be able to play the new DVDs. They don't care about you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4266977.stm
It doesn't last.
About 3% of dvd ripping software is said to be still working.
3% => 100%
p.s. I too use Linux,
so I won't have any other possibility as to use pirated copies, if I'll want to see such a dvd.
I've never ripped a DVD or used one that was. Howsomever, I suspect that the new code will be hacked almost before the first new generation of protected DVD's hits the market.
It's already hacked in the way that there are rippers that can rip them.
river-wind 02-22-05, 11:14 AM IMO, the encryption of DVD data is illegal - a violation of fair use.
If I were to buy a DVD, I now own a copy of the disc, as well as an implicit liscense to use the data on that disc as I see fit; as long as I do not copy or distribute the work.
However, if I want to build a machine out of sticks and bubble gum that reads the data, and outputs just the audio track, I am legally allowed to do so.
The encryption on the DVDs, and the DCMA, which protects that encryption, prevents me from doing that.
The DMCA needs to be struck down, but as long as we are beholdent to the WTO, it will remain. We, as a nation, and a world, need to take a closer look at the WTO, and how it functions.
grazzhoppa 02-26-05, 03:24 AM IMO, the encryption of DVD data is illegal - a violation of fair use.
If I were to buy a DVD, I now own a copy of the disc, as well as an implicit liscense to use the data on that disc as I see fit; as long as I do not copy or distribute the work.
"Public viewings" are not allowed and supposedly enforced by the FBI...those FBI warning messages in every video cassette or DVD movie. The license you buy for that movie is for you only. If the movie industry or music industry decided they were losing sales / money because there were mass, free showings of movies or music albums, there would be crackdowns on parties, boyscout / indian guide campouts, and any other form of social gathering that didn't pay out the royalty fees for showing a particular piece of media to people who didn't pay the companies to see/hear/experience it.
A friend of mine is a DVD fanatic. He has a humongous collection of movies purchased from retail stores. I haven't had to buy a movie ticket, rent a movie, or buy a DVD / cassette because my friend and I have the same tastes in movies. He buys these movies for his collection, and we chill out and watch those movies together. Hence the industry has "lost" my money. Sue me.
Back to the original post: there will always be a way to get around digital copy protection. For MP3's, have the output of a sound card hooked up to some analog recording device like a MiniDisc player or stand alone CD recorder. Once the song is copied, play it back into the computer and capture it as an MP3, .wav, any format you so desire. All it takes is a group to do this with an album, then file sharing programs can distribute it.
Similar things can be done with DVD movies. Crackers don't even need to send the video to some external recorder, they have enough talent and inside sources to produce a copyright-protection-free movie before the retail release of a copyright protected movie.
The only way to prevent media theft would be to stream all media from the media company's own servers. Consumers buy a serial number instead of a physical disc. Every time you want to play the file, the media player has to "phone home" - like a software program's activation or a video game's online servers, where the serial number is checked against a server in control of the producing company. Every type of media player would need internet access (even portable players). Specialized media players would not exist - your computer, or small portable ones, would basically take on all roles because to produce specialized players that have the capability to stream high quality data would be non economical. But this scenario wouldn't happen for a long, long time because it basically cuts out people who cannot afford broadband services and an expensive central media player. To do something like this, in the near future, for the entire entertainment media industry would debase their gross sales since it caters to only the affluent - ones able to afford such services. It would also kill off large branches of large electronics companies like Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic..etc that make specialized media players currently.
New DVD/CD Copy protections and laws backing them up are "infringements" on freedoms consumers in the US thought they had, but are also an easy, relative to alternatives such as above, way to cope with changing technology.
damn, what a spammer, that site sucks anyway. the number of people asking for homework help outweighs the number talking about physics.
anyway, I think the fall of the movie/music industry would be a good thing, just imagine if everyone who worked in movies worked in some useful field (like physics) instead. rather than having a blockbuster movie every year maybe we would have a major physics breakthrough every year. so I say DOWN WITH BIG ENTERTAINMENT! besides, its not like we would completely loose movies/music, it would just be more independent movies and more bands like David Mathews Band that get famous just for being good, not because people bang you over the head all day with advertisements.
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