I have a new theory. There is an old saw that goes "money makes the world go round". There is an older one that says "money is the root of all evil". I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine, a real one, not a fake internet leach, and he told me that it is "greed" and "arrogance" that cause "evil". Of course, you know me, I can't see anything in the typical light.

My theory is that there is "evil" in the very nature of money.

Money is just a medium of exchange. Evil comes from humans. So if money is evil it is only because humans have it.

therefore evilness is to be found in the very nature of fredx "the fake internet leech"
yes? no ?

Originally posted by fredx
I recently had a conversation with a friend of mine, a real one, not a fake internet leach

:bugeye: what are you getting at????

and he told me that it is "greed" and "arrogance" that cause "evil". Of course, you know me, I can't see anything in the typical light.

My theory is that there is "evil" in the very nature of money.


Actually your friend is right but then again you have already said the reason why you will not take into account what i have said.;)


Money isn't the root of all evil.....lack of money is the root of all evil

if you think about it, thats a pernicious lie, but you can believe what you want to believe, I can't stop you know can I?

Evil is just a social construction.

So is money.

The actual passage is "the love of money is the root of all evil"
so he is correct, the problem with money isn't so much in the money itself, it's what it represents outside of the obvious medium of exchange.

I am never right, huh? Nobody agrees with me. F' you guys.

Anyway, evil is not just a "social convention", I have seen its ugly face many times on my trips around the globe.

My theory is that there is "evil" in the very nature of money.

So, you think green paper would also bare its claws on an island de-conceptualized of money as it does when you're hungry and broke?

Money is nothing where its not idealized.

thats beautifully rational but not realistic.

thats beautifully rational but not realistic.

Not realistic in the sense that...............?

well, I have written a book and the day I plan to release it, you will know exactly what I mean. Until then, I won't give you all my secrets.

well, I have written a book and the day I plan to release it, you will know exactly what I mean. Until then, I won't give you all my secrets

Well, by god, you'd think by now having written a wholebook surely the man would have at least something to say on a 2" X 2" post.

Correct me if wrong, laddie, but did you not already have a book copywrit? If so, where?

The original quote was "The love of money is the root of all evil". It has become shortened and the original meaning lost over time. Timothy 6:10, Look it up. Not only that, but some researchers claim the the original text could also be translated as "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil".

Money is bits of metal and paper, people. Humans desire it, some go further than what is considered honorable to get it. That in no way makes the bits of paper responsible.

Personally, I believe that the lack of money is also a root of evil, but that's just me...

i agree with you. money is evil.

Crap. Forcing human characteristics and failings on chunks of paper is not going to change anything. Neither, apparently, is forcing humans to confront their own failings, but at least the blame will be laid firmly at the feet of where it belongs.

Money is not the root of "evil". I suggest reading the passage
dealing with this in Atlas Shrugged. Francisco D'Anconia says it
best...

Evil is man's stupidity, acted out in various ways. Money is a neutral thing, it can be either a blessing or an evil, depending on interpretation and use by various individuals.

"The love of money is the root of all evil". maybe......
evil is created by selfishness,therefore the love of money creates more selfishness and greed.Greed will activate the fire of arrogance , and arrogance the storm of pride creating more evil...

1 + 1 = 3, therefore 1+3 = 12, therefore 3 + 12 = 98....

I will not release any information on my book. That is my business, not yours.

I will only say that 2+2=4 and so what!

That theory sounds a bit complicated blueapples.

"Atlas Shrugged"! Ayn Rand is a tiresome fool.

Originally posted by spookz
.......fredx "the fake internet leech"


apologies. "leech" does not make sense. this is a bbs, not a p2p app. how about..... fredx "the fake internet troll"?

oh yes I am a troll, but better a troll then a dwarf like the rest of you are.:)

But anyway, Spookz, you love me, you are my biggest fan, my greatest ally on Sciforums, I forgive you for your hate on that other post, I really do think you are cool.

sheeeit! now i am totally disarmed and have turned into mush!

ps:what are you wearing?

a t-shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.

well negro strip em off and lets get busy!

:D :D

Money=EVIL.........that is all....

money is created by people producing how is that evil?

see I knew spookz had a thing for me, but I don't do it with guys, only girls, sorry dude.

...and don't call me a negro because I am not black.

thats a good point thaug, but there are such things as "necessary evils", thats why we have that handy-dandy phrase.

Originally posted by fredx
\but I don't do it with guys, only girls, sorry dude.

sarge dont know shit. ask around. everyone knows i am a bitch. should i mail a pair of soiled panties for your sniffing pleasure?

money is created, and money itself causes evil to happen.......therefore money is evil in itself......"necessary evils",

oh excellent going
guyute
i see you been hitting
that peyote

mabye........:eek:

Originally posted by Guyute
money is created, and money itself causes evil to happen.......therefore money is evil in itself......"necessary evils",

Created by producing and services products and fullfilling peoples wants. That is not evil in my book. It is people that use it for evil. If somebody stabs 10 kids with a broken beer bottle it isint the bottle that is evil.

If somebody stabs 10 kids with a broken beer bottle it isint the bottle that is evil.- thaug

the beer bottle is the instrument and is not the cause of the killing......Lets say the cause is over a dissagreement over money and then the person kills the people with the bottle......what is to blame? Money.....the bottle thing is irrelvent, it is not the cause of the killings only the instrument......mabye it is that money has become seen as a widespread cause to problems, but that is just how i feel.....:D

could someone please compliment me on my frikkin rhyming skills please?

Spookz....your rythmes are the illest(insert goofy arm throw)....:D

Originally posted by Guyute
If somebody stabs 10 kids with a broken beer bottle it isint the bottle that is evil.- thaug

the beer bottle is the instrument and is not the cause of the killing......Lets say the cause is over a dissagreement over money and then the person kills the people with the bottle......what is to blame? Money.....the bottle thing is irrelvent, it is not the cause of the killings only the instrument......mabye it is that money has become seen as a widespread cause to problems, but that is just how i feel.....:D

No, if people get upset over money and one kills the other I don't blame the money. I blame the obssesive jerk that stabed the person. If thats the way you look at things sex is 10 times more evil then money. How many time have you be grieven over sex and how many times over money? Its not the money that corrupts people its people that corrupt the money.

Its not the money that corrupts people its people that corrupt the money.- thaug

point set, i lay down my soward to that. Well............i have been proven wrong....well thanks for opening my eyes.....got to get sleep now to recover my wounds......:D

/me sinester laugh :D

Come on dont rub it in....:mad:

just kidding......enjoy it, for next time i will be the one to rise up(stands from chair in only boxers with cheezets stains on chest and throws first to the sky):p

Well I have to do it now while i can.

:D

Originally posted by spookz
oh excellent going
guyute
i see you been hitting
that peyote
LOL
Nice spookz.

why don't you do more with it?
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23675

(another shameless plug for my thread :D )

Originally posted by fredx
"Atlas Shrugged"! Ayn Rand is a tiresome fool.

Are you serious ? LOL

You asked for it...

Is money really the root of all evil --> (http://www.geocities.com/solidusownsj00/money.htm)

I would have posted it here, but the space restrictions don't allow
me to do it. Fredx, do me a favor and read it before even trying to
dismiss the material.

Money kicks ass.

When people say money is evil, shallow, etc. they are just using that as a defense mechanism so they don't get depressed by the though that they will NEED money (which they may fear they won't get).

Money doesn't buy happiness? Find me one person who is happy being poor. Money may not buy happiness, but it sure makes it easier to be happy.

quote:Money doesn't buy happiness? Find me one person who is happy being poor. Money may not buy happiness, but it sure makes it easier to be happy.

money buys HA-PENIS if you are a woman!:D :m:

Originally posted by Nebula
Find me one person who is happy being poor.

Me.

Money is what has motivated mankind in almost everything they've done, since its invention. It is its lifeblood. It is neither good or bad, merely a form of trade. And possession of it makes life a hell of a lot easier if not more fun as well! Money is an object of desire and even Christian churches wouldn't have survived without it, as wouldn't have, any religions.

Evil, is just an idea borne out of ignorant superstition... subjective at best, prepostourous at worst!

Manifestation of what some call evil is merely, man being arrogant, selfish, greedy, envious, hateful, ignorant, stupid and a whol load of other shit besides. Making money's cool, just don't be nasty to people or animals to make it.

Money is inanimate. It cannot be evil.

Money gets you what you want (even if you could get it some other way). If what you want is evil (or you're getting it in a way that is evil)... then well.. you are evil.

How could some inanimate mechanism be evil? Does that mean guns are evil? Does that mean rope is evil?

People are the only things that deal in or with evil.

Of course it's important to note that EVIL is a relative concept.

all i know is that i wish that i had more money.......:p

Originally posted by tablariddim
Money is what has motivated mankind in almost everything they've done, since its invention. It is its lifeblood. It is neither good or bad, merely a form of trade. And possession of it makes life a hell of a lot easier if not more fun as well! Money is an object of desire and even Christian churches wouldn't have survived without it, as wouldn't have, any religions.

Evil, is just an idea borne out of ignorant superstition... subjective at best, prepostourous at worst!

Manifestation of what some call evil is merely, man being arrogant, selfish, greedy, envious, hateful, ignorant, stupid and a whol load of other shit besides. Making money's cool, just don't be nasty to people or animals to make it.

yes.


To clarify, in my own veiw. Money, just like everything in the world, is a tool. You use it how you will, and how you use it determines if it is good or bad. Money is just a hunk of material with some numbers printed on it. You determine what it does.

as for "find me one person who is poor and happy", a recent study of overall world happiness found that the US was one of the more depressed places, while some of the more happy countries were significantly poorer. I have personally found that money buys tuff, and stuff requires that you spend time and money maintaining that stuff. So why buying things is fun, keeping them then requires that you work so that they don't dissapear. This creates the one thing which doesn't make me happy- stress.

Money is usefull, if it is used as a productive tool. It can easily be used for other purposes, at which point it creates more frustration and suffering than it alliviates. in the end, money is a reflection of the hours of work you have done. Why spend hours of your life working, for the goal of 'playing hard' later, with lots of expensive toys? Why not just take time off of work, and go outside? What is the benifit of putting your time into making money? what are you going to use it for? Would you be better off w/o the money, but with more time for yourself and your friends?

the answers to the above questions are different for everyone. For me, I work to pay off money that I owe, and to get enough money together so that I can move to self-employment, but with a security blanket (ie, the buisness does poorly, I can still eat form the interest off low-risk investments). That way, I can work a 30 hour week doing something I enjoy. I don't need to vacation at some expensive hotel resort for a week in order to relax if I'm relaxed already.

Good article, solidus...where'd you come across that?

www.aynrand.org i guess or any of her books

Wes, I know we have had some serious arguments lately, but I think your last post here was really interesting and deserves further exploration.

Originally posted by Nebula
Good article, solidus...where'd you come across that?

It comes from ATLAS SHRUGGED: this was one of Francisco D'Anconia's
speeches. John Galt has some pretty interesting ones too: one of them
lasts well over 4 hours (if read out loud at a regular pace)!

:eek:

Originally posted by Thaug
www.aynrand.org i guess or any of her books

That chick kicked ASS. Man, I forgot about that money speech. Fucking BEAUTIFUL. She was an amazingly sharp woman. That speech is just awesome.

money is physical evil is not, just try and make evil physical you maybe can convert it into an action but it still was created in the mind.

huh?!!!

LOL

Let it go, Fred ;)

Ohno. As far as I can gather, ayn rand was so sharp she cut herself. Very sharp people are funny, they have this incredibly naieve/ logical view of the world, that somehow cuts straight to how they see it and creates a perfectly consistent massive world view that overawes other people, never mind any correlation to reality. And thats the problem. What you leave out of consideration is what comes back and bites you on the arse.