Are mobiles worth having, in this country there has been a lot of youngsters attacked just for the things, are thye worth it, what do you think.

This web site presents numerous examples
of why they might be considered a good thing:

http://www.cellmanners.com/news/saved.htm

Obviously, a case could be made establishing the opposite - but I'm not sure how you would find statistics that you could compare.


Peace.

On the opposite side of the fence...

Ever been to a strange city and needed a pay phone? Pay phones are going the way of the 8 track tape. There was an article a few weeks back where there was a town up north that petitioned to save their last remaining pay phone that was to be removed for lack of use. Cell phones are an expense I do not want. A phone is a necessary evil but not one that I like.

Ever been behind someone using one while driving? Many of the communities across the nation are up in arms over the driving habits of such individuals. Many are making local ordinances to make it against the law to operate a vehicle and use one as it takes attention of the operator from the road. You say pull over to use it? Most drivers will not do that.

Privacy on one is yet another issue...

And how healthy one is to use is another...

I will always push an against on mobile phones, as each mobile can direct a microwave flow into your head for one, but when you look at the whole number of mobiles across the world, that like loads of very small microwaves accumilating into a giant global one.

The whole world is bombarded by data communications, the ionosphere is shot by radiation from below as it is above. The very radiation itself aids chemistry changes in the atomosphere and actually can be contributive to ozone depletion.

Other than that, yeah, phone your friend up and say you'll be round in five minutes, even though your virtually standing on his doorstep.

I'm expanding on what I previously said.

What about Resonation of particles, like the effect of radiation bombardment upon the body.

I speculate that there is a possibility that solitons (The name given to the shock wave that moves through solids), can actually alter the chemical productions within the body.

Certain frequencies will react more with particular elements, For instance ADD/ADHD although notibly triggered by Caffine and Sugar, there's a possibility it could also be triggered by certain bandwidths used in Radio and Microwave communication.

There is also the possibility that these Bandwidths can be responsible for MS sufferers and even Depression. (not to forget short tempers)

To put it bluntly, the human mind can suffer from neurological shocks caused by particular frequency bombardments, this is known most commonly to Epilepsy Sufferers, but there is a chance that everybody is prone to a form of mild epilepsy if the frequency is right.

As I've mentioned about, this could be depression, Tempers, MS, ADD/ADHD, Insomnia, Athritis, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Bone marrow disorders, lukemia (Lukemia is especially noted as radiation from both radio and microwave transmitters can increase the bloods electromagnetic gravity, this can cause damage to all vital organs, most notibly the more delicate ones, the eyes, lungs, kidneys, liver and brain, even the testicles in males.)

I really don't like phones

I'd bet someone else's left nut that the reason whales and dolphins keep beaching is because of all the EM junk we're pumping out, interfering with their navigation.

Thats a possibility, I know I originally thought that there could be a possibility of using some Frequencies to warn Sharks away from Bathing areas.

Perhaps some systems that have been implimented are Distress signals which cause the Whales and Dolphins to try and aid the distress, just to get stranded themselves. (afterall they are social creatures, and not like sharks that won't swin in an area where there is a dead shark)

In my experience, the people who get beat up for their mobiles are the ones who flash it around. I keep my mobile in my pocket until i need to use it, or someone phones me. I don't have the ringer on load so no one knows I have one. I have also used it in a number of cases where I have broken down in my car, and needed to call the recovery people...

What if you are lying injured somewhere and can't move? Surely that alone is worth having a mobile for?

I also think that their use should be minimised, I'vew know people phoneing someone a couple of rooms along instead of walking.

I don't think it's specific signals for the whales and such. I think it's simply the sheer amount of crap EM rubbish we pump out. We toss out radiation like it doesn't matter at all, we flood the world with it. Many animals navigate or even hunt by electromangetic fields - whale, shark platypus, Ausrtalia golden mole, and more.

I don't think any animal uses RF for navigation. Some use sonar. Some pick up electrical signals from prey etc.

As always I am happy to be corrected.

shooting star ,
Welcome :)

Originally posted by sjmarsha
In my experience, the people who get beat up for their mobiles are the ones who flash it around. I keep my mobile in my pocket until i need to use it, or someone phones me. I don't have the ringer on load so no one knows I have one. I have also used it in a number of cases where I have broken down in my car, and needed to call the recovery people...

What if you are lying injured somewhere and can't move? Surely that alone is worth having a mobile for?

I also think that their use should be minimised, I'vew know people phoneing someone a couple of rooms along instead of walking.

I concur.

My thoughts:
You get these posers wandering around, with their 'phones clipped to their belt, or in their hand, or worse still, in use.

The mobile 'phone IMHO should be used discretely, afterall, who wants the world and his wife knowing their business?

Novelty ringtones. Whats wrong with a low "ring-ring"? Why draw attention to oneself?

People keep telling me it's OK to use a mobile 'phone in restaurants.
Tosh. In my opinion, it's the height of bad manners, and I always switch mine off.

Minimize their use. Don't flash them around.
But don't get rid of them. :)

Dog radio fence thingy (http://www.hgtv.com/HGTV/project/0,1158,BDRE_project_8620,FF.html)

I'm not sure what region that things operate at, but it says radio. I've seen a similar system in use. Dogs at least do respond to these things, although in my experience not nearly so well as the manufacturers claim.

Most radio fences work by transmitting a weak signal from a wire around the perimeter of your yard. When your dog gets close enough to the signal, <b>a receiver on its collar begins to beep.</b> If the dog continues to move toward the boundary, the receiver issues a "correction" in the form of a citronella spray or a mild electrical pulse.

Need I say more?

Oops, I thought it was the system we tried at my farm. The one we had emitted a radio signal which supposedly hurt the dog if it went between transcievers. The dog did indeed notice it, but hardly gave a damn. Got the wrong system. I'll try to find the one we had.

The Smell and the Cell

Carmen LaBrecque of Salem, Massachusets found herself in an extraordinary situation, being chased by a rabid skunk. No more than a foot or two from the skunk, LaBrecque circled her yard over a dozen times, unable to slow down enough to get in the door. On one pass by the front door, her elderly mother threw her a cell phone, which LaBrecque used to call 911. 15 minutes later an animal control officer arrived to shoot the sick animal, putting both it and LaBrecque out of their respective miseries.:D

Sorry, so far I can't find the one we had. It was a set of posts with transmitters in the top. You place them at the corners of the area you want to contain, and supposedly the dog won't cross the boundaries. Didn't work very well. I'll ask my brother when he gets online; he's at the farm and should be able to find it.

BTW...

The themal application of Microwaves was discovered by the British Army when they were experimenting with their newly invented RadioDirectionAndRangin equipment.

They found that anything placed between two microwave generators became hot.

Yep, there's a good reason why microwave (and all other) radar systems have big red radhaz circles painted around them. Most civilian ships use microwave band radars by the way.

Originally posted by shooting star
Are mobiles worth having, in this country there has been a lot of youngsters attacked just for the things, are thye worth it, what do you think.With regards to the OP, there was a somewhat related reference in a weekly mailing list to which I subscribe – From The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/24848.html): "It seems that mobile phones are the most commonly abused medium with 16% of young people saying they'd received bullying or threatening text messages, followed by 7% who said they'd been harassed in chat rooms and 4% via e-mail." It's comforting to know that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I'm sure these numbers will be taken out of context, too. When I was in school, if you didn't like someone, you told 'em that face to face. The anonymity of newer communications tools makes it look like a larger problem. But the problem is: it's always been a problem, and (what's more) it will always be a problem. Bullies will be bullies, and victims will be victims. At least in this virtual world, the playing field is closer to level. Or, in some cases, the tables are turned.Peace.

Adam

I couldn't find what would proably be a Dingo Sonar Fence either, but I did happen upon this site:

http://www.altgreen.com.au/Wildlife/index68.htm

And I found something that I've been trying to convince people about for ages.

I once mentioned on this board that I got the Bends from someone doing a clandenstine experiment, using Radio Frequency (Thats why I hate the waveforms so much).

It got me put in a hospital where they misdiagnosed it as a "Psychotic Episode" and got me shoved into a mental hospital, where I'm sure a cover up ensued by the use of Diethylmide (The D in LSD) being given to me.

(I should have gone through some pressure chamber not become the part of some black op.)

People didn't believe... Well I think I've found some corresponding evidence:

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December 13-14, 2001

"Whales get the bends; Noise can bring on decompression sickness in whales and dolphins" - "UNDERWATER explosions and sonar tests may be giving whales and dolphins the equivalent of the bends. The US Navy regularly booms out sonar signals across the ocean in a bid to track submarines, and conducts controlled explosions under water. Commercial shipping, seismic exploration for oil, and scientific experiments that use sound to measure ocean temperature add to the cacophony (New Scientist, 1 March 1997, p 30). Biologists have long suspected that noise pollution is disrupting the hearing and behaviour of these inhabitants of the deep, compelling them to beach themselves. Now researchers believe that it could cause haemorrhaging and decompression sickness." (New Scientist)

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As I had mentioned in Free Thoughts, I was in a store a few nights ago when a car came through a store wall and into the store. The wall was one of those glass picture windows with a short wall to hold it in place. I later learned that it was caused by cell phone use, driving while talking, and lack of attention to driving. We're talking 15 feet into the store past the wall before coming to a stop. Luckily no one was in that section of the store when the car came through. No injuries were reported...

This is exactly what my point was in reference to the talking on the phone while driving. I just didn't expect it to hit so close to home so soon after this thread started.

BBC News, June 19, 2002


Radiation from mobile phones damaged the blood-brain barrier in lab tests by Finnish scientists on human cells.

The exposure caused the cells in blood vessel walls to shrink, which enabled molecules to pass through the safety barrier into brain tissue.

Professor Darius Leszcynski, who carried out the study, said these changes could have a serious impact on a person's health if they were found to happen in humans.

Read on... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_2053000/2053565.stm)

That's a little scarey pine-net. The blood-brain barrier is not a good thing to break.

Also, I'd like to add what a friend of mine showed me at work. By placing his phone next to a computer monitor and calling it he could make the monitor fritz out. By doing the same thing to our RTS system (headphone communication system) he could send feedback across the whole system. The craziest one is when he turned on his stop watch, placed his phone next to it, and called it, the stop watch would stop. It would do this every time. We tried it with another guy's phone but the stop watch and RTS thing wouldn't work, however it still made a computer monitor fritz a little.

I don't agree that the concept of the mobile phone is wrong. The only thing it may be bad is because of the radiation and electromagntical field. (as for driving when listening- there is hands-free system people;) )
The really disturbing thing is that it can affect my brain and maybe it's EM field. We are not still fully aware of the implications of that.

At the begining of the 20th century people thought that radiation was healthy and even special cans were made to store water in them from radioactive materials. Now we know to which it leads.

But the thing is that I can't imagine life on the planet earth without cell-phones. (and they came fully available to the public only a dacade or less ago!)
it is really convenient and cheaper than the static phone lines in our country!

conclusion- cell-phones may be bad, they may have bad efects on our brain, but they will never be denyed even if they are proven to be bad for healt.
the solution is a new technology cell-pfone that doesn't emit radiation.

There is no scientific evidence that 800 Mhz - 2.5 GHz is bad for humans. Couple years ago someone claimed cell phone can contribute to memory loss but the credibility of that publication is still being questioned. Humans and all living beings have been under radiation from TV and ratio towers for a long time. There are no proven health problems.

It is very annoying when someone's phone rings in movie theater. That just makes me want to grab the cell phone and stick the antenna up the person's ass. They should build radio jammers in some places to prevent Radio waves from getting through.

"No proven health problems"

Yet cancer and heart disease is often on a rise.

Simply put Lukemia is treated with radiology but it's known that if the radiology is used wrongly it can cause more damage than it can repair.

Also a radio transmitter might output 800 Mhz - 2.5 GHz but people tend to forget that the frequencies can change depending on modulation in regards to vertical to horizontal.
This means it might leave the transmitter in the safety margin, but the matrix of signals in transit can actually create a shift in frequency taking it into the hazardous levels.

As for Jadio Jamming, that doesn't stop signals, it just adds noise to blur it out. What the world really needs is to start encorporating Faraday cages into building designs, to limit radiation and frequencies that can penetrate it.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
"No proven health problems"

Yet cancer and heart disease is often on a rise.

Simply put Lukemia is treated with radiology but it's known that if the radiology is used wrongly it can cause more damage than it can repair.

Yeah but what frequency is that? Isn't that X ray frequency? The difference in rad has to be huge.


Also a radio transmitter might output 800 Mhz - 2.5 GHz but people tend to forget that the frequencies can change depending on modulation in regards to vertical to horizontal.
This means it might leave the transmitter in the safety margin, but the matrix of signals in transit can actually create a shift in frequency taking it into the hazardous levels.

I don't think so. The duplexer of the transmitter suppose to eliminate unwanted noise otherwise you violate the FCC. Besides only FM moduation change the frequency. Theoretically FM has unlimited bandwidth, but out of band signal rolls off fast to the same level of thermal noise floor. I am guessing no more than a few hundred MHz. Extensive empirical study has showed RF does nothing to human body functions. At least from articles I read from my engineering safety class.


As for Jadio Jamming, that doesn't stop signals, it just adds noise to blur it out. What the world really needs is to start encorporating Faraday cages into building designs, to limit radiation and frequencies that can penetrate it.

If you bring up the noise floor all the way up to the carrier, you stop most modulating schemes from working. CDMA requires +8 dB higher. So it does work. Jamming is the cheapest way to do this.

I remember looking through a manual for Satellite installation (one the installers use) from a library, it mentioned about how certain frequencies can cause ammonia to pendulate.

If you don't know Ammonia is NH3, the molecule itself has the Nitrogen atom in the centre of 3 hydrogen, and at frequency the nitrogen tries to move from the hydrogen creating a near pendulum movement, swinging back and forth.

I mentioned this as Nitrogen makes up a large preportion of our body, although it might not be 100% ammonia, ammino acids do exist. (sweat etc)

Particular frequencies can cause the human body to respond, it's noticable that certain frequencies can get the human body to give off particular chemicals.

I'm sure I also mentioned in this thread before, that I once came across a Medical website that had the frequency levels for every disease and bacteria known to man. This was known because some frequencies can be used to destroy particular diseased cells, while the other way concerns that the resonance of an individual can cause a structure breakdown on a quantum scale. Causing Retro-virii reactions and cancers.

One extra point, the human blood contains IRON, IRON is known as a conductor, which means it contains it's own Biomagnetics, frequencies can distort this. As I mentioned before, a NASA site confirmed that our planet should find very little "NATURAL" X-Ray radiation because the IONSPHERE stops most of the suns natural X-RAY from getting through.

This means if there are any X-Ray's bombarding our planet, they are un-natural, and extremely hazardous if you are to look at long term exposure.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Particular frequencies can cause the human body to respond, it's noticable that certain frequencies can get the human body to give off particular chemicals.


What is the range of the frequency and what is the intensity?

The reason I am skeptical is that human body is an extremely poor receptor of EM waves at UHF. Chemical reactions in humans are ionic. There is not enough EM intensity in the air to affect chemical reactions within human bodies. That is what electrodes are for. The resonant frequencies of various chemicals are way out there.

On average the intensity of EM waves in the air is -70 to -110 dBm. If you are close to the tower you can get as high as -40 dBm. The cell phone itself should be around -50 dBm That is already very low. You can calculate power absorption of EM waves by water. It has to be extremely small.

This link might have something you might find of interest:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/2002/jan16/biochips.html

Although the actual Table I'm looking for I found in 1999, so there is no clue as to if it still exists somewhere within the internet or not, but I put a feeler out in the method of sci.med.radiology newsgroup. Hopefully I'll hear some come back.

I'll just mention one more thing, it's how MRI (Catscans) work, the principle is simple, EM is used to make all the Hydrogen within a person polarise into a direction, then the density of the Hydrogen is used to create the scan.

I mention this because even if you remove IRON from the equation, your still left with the usage of radiology and it's effects on the human body.

I shall over the next couple of weeks get some more research data to either prove/disprove if there is a reality in what I've been saying. (But I won't be following a book handed to people that would be employed to use such equipment, afterall they tend not to cover all aspects otherwise no one would work around antennas.)