madanthonywayne
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madanthonywayne

Morning in America, 57

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    1. Epictetus
      Epictetus
      Hey Mad Anthony. I see that you moved a thread into the cesspool. How can you do that? Are you a moderator? Do you have to be a senior member with 11,000+ post?
    2. skaught
      skaught
    3. madanthonywayne
      madanthonywayne
      It is getting a bit late....
    4. Giambattista
      Giambattista
      Dear Eye Doctor,
      Isn't it past your bedtime already?
    5. Gremmie
      Gremmie
      Happy B-Day Madant..
      Just remember..You're not getting older, you're getting..
      Oh, who are we kidding..You're getting older..
      Have a good one.
    6. Giambattista
      Giambattista
      Cygnus X1! Great song.
      I may have a Rush revival. It's been a while since I heard some of their later stuff. My brother has accumulated many of my cassettes over the years.
      Hear they have a new album. Haven't heard anything recently.
    7. Giambattista
      Giambattista
      I am more of a Rush fan than I am of Styx, I'll tell you that.
      Actually, used to listen to them often in my childhood. Dusted off a few mp3 files recently (my tapes are defunct!). Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres are possibly my two favorites.
      I was never a HUGE fan, but I do enjoy them occasionally. They are really top notch musicians. Few bands that make it into the Top 40 charts have the imagination and staying power and musicianship.
    8. Norsefire
      Norsefire
      Hey, I'd like to transfer ownership of the Sciforums Right group to you, but it doesn't seem to let me. Let me know if you'd like it
    9. Giambattista
      Giambattista
      You are a moderator. You are mad. Go about your business. In peace.
    10. Syzygys
      Syzygys
      I wrote that a week ago, you guys are slow.

      I think Sandy is #1, your pick?
    11. Learned Hand
      Learned Hand
      US food is regulated. USDA and FDA are the general agencies. Housing is regulated largely by state agencies (building, electrical, water, sewage, fire codes to name a few), not federal, unless you have an FHA home. However, homes in a particular state really do not have any impact on interstate commerce. FHSA regulates industry standards on auto safety (among other highway safety issues). EPA on environmental standards (can't use Bald Eagle or some endangered goose feathers for your down comforter). Other than the FDA, which helps to safeguard us against improper/unreliable/harmful pharmaceuticals and medical devices, there is no federal regulatory body to protect the consumer of health care. Since the '50s, its always been a war between doctors and insurers, whereby the patient really has no free-market force in determining the actual value of services. BTW, the AMA actually endorsed the Senate Bill.
    12. madanthonywayne
      madanthonywayne
      Food is also a vital necessity that your poor child couldn't live without. Must we also nationalize the production of food? What about shoes? Or housing. Or clothing? Your logic could justify turning the US into a totalitarian state.
    13. Learned Hand
      Learned Hand
      Being a member of AAA, Sam's Club, or signing up for local inventory/marketing cards (bookstore cards, grocery cards, etc) is far different than necessities such as health care. Would you drive 75 miles to the next GNC to save $6.50 on an item, "limit 2?" Plus, how does that (a local GNC sale) affect interstate commerce such that there is a rational basis for the federal government to intervene on your (and every other American's) behalf? Jumping through hoops -- that's life. A child who CANNOT get coverage because of a pre-existing condition clause is a roadblock to individual families countrywide, affecting job transfers, those who lose their jobs, etc. So health care does have a massive effect on US commerce -- even beyond its GDP.
    14. Norsefire
      Norsefire
      I wasn't using profanity.
    15. madanthonywayne
      madanthonywayne
      There are plenty of other products which you can get a discount on by joining a buying group which imposes geographic limitations upon your purchasing if you want to receive the best price. Hell, every grocery store and book store wants you to buy a card that entitles you to discounts only at select locations.. GNC even has a card only good at certain locations and at certain times.

      So there's nothing unique about needing to jump thru some hoops to receive the best price.
    16. Learned Hand
      Learned Hand
      What other unregulated or underregulated industry requires you to purchase genuinely necessary products or services within a particular geographical range or with certain retailers or providers or pay a higher price? You may have a choice to go PPO/HMO as an self-employed individual or as an ERISA plan member through your employer, but the other alternatives which may be better for your health care are more costly, thus making the commerce of health care highly incongruent within, between and among different states. BTW, ERISA is an example of the Commerce Clause in present application to simplify employer sponsored health care for the employee and make health insurers more accountable. It's major problem: it didn't go far enough.
    17. madanthonywayne
      madanthonywayne
      Oh, please. That is a massive stretch. With that kind of reasoning, you could justify the complete government takeover of every industry. Furthermore, you don't have to be in an HMO or a PPO. That's your choice. With a government takeover, you have no choice.
    18. Learned Hand
      Learned Hand
      For example, many HMOs and PPOs, being network based, are highly restrictive over which physician you can see. Not only are they restrictive over physicians (basically telling you who you may see or may not and hoodwink you by giving you a "selection" more tailored to their profit margins than physician expertise), they are restrictive over location -- unless a qualified emergency exists. If you live in Indiana, you can't go to say, Minneapolis, for a second opinion. You must stay in Indiana, or pay the price yourself. The Commerce Clause ensures (assuming nationalization by congressional bill) that such interstate and intrastate restrictions would no longer apply.
    19. Learned Hand
      Learned Hand
      Thank you madanthonywayne.

      Use of the Commerce Clause as the basis for federal regulation/nationalization of health care does not render the rest of the constitution meaningless. Generally, Articles I, II, and III grant powers to the federal government; they do not restrict it. The Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments are the document's converse. Under the Rehnquist Court, it is not the invoking of some strange police power or military state as many ardent rightists tend to argue on CC matters (including some jurists). It is more about sustaining the interstate livelihood of a free and available marketplace for all citizens.
    20. madanthonywayne
      madanthonywayne
      Welcome back, Learned Hand.

      Regarding your commerce clause comment, if the nationalization of healthcare is justified by that, then the rest of the constitution is meaningless. The whole point of our constitution was to limit the power of government. The Federal government is supposed to be limited to those powers specifically granted to it in the constitution. As the tenth ammendment clearly states, all power not specifically granted to the federal government in the constitution remains with the states or the people.
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