I seem to be alotting a signifigant amount of time on MABUS as well. Here is some food for thought. Could MABUS be an acronym for a type of battle plan hidden deep in the confines of the pentagon. It could also be a type of missle or even a computer virus. It also could be the handle of a hacker.
Several predictions used the phrase "invisible missles". A virus in all aspects are considered when activated,launched.
After doing some net surfing, there was another man with the last name mabus. He worked for NASA on a new type of propulsion system for a rocket. The government all of a sudden cut his funding without reasonable justification.
It is my opinion that we should read the predictions of Nostodamus and other credible prophets with todays knowlege of what can cause the destruction of society. It is also my opinion that a virus, carefully constructed would have a more severe effect on the world than a barrage of nuclear missles.
I would appriciate some feedback on these possibilities.

To start, I don't consider Nostradamus particularly credible, at least as far as his quatrains go. They're just too vague, and it's too easy to apply them to an incident in hindsight.

This Mabus fellow. What did he say the reason was that they gave him? NASA is now pretty independent. Perhaps his project was cut during the time when the military was pouting over NASA's desire to be free. The military did a lot of stupid stuff then that nearly killed our space program.

I apparently didn't catch the beginning of this subject. Could you bring me up to speed, please?
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I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight, kill, and die for your right to say it.

"Word is that President Clinton is considering making former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus, his selection to become Chairman of the national Democratic Party. That would add some polish to the President's besieged and fractious party."

I took this from an article located on the net. Although it may not seem signifigant, at least I now know where, and what he does.

According to NASA, the only article printed was an article found at this site :
http://www.tsixroads.com/~kenchr/gallery/shuttle.htm

I also found out that solid rocket motor plants are found throughout the world. Mainly used for nuclear weapons creation.

The next entry that I submit for this topic will be info on any computer viruses with the name or string Maybus.

I wait eagerly, especially with these idiots that have launched their attack on major websites. What are they trying to prove, anyway? It's not that hard to launch a DOS on a site.

Who or what is Mabus? I have never heard this name before.

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everything is not what it
appears to be


[This message has been edited by ltcmmdr (edited January 10, 2001).]

Who's Mabus?

When I was a young boy, ma bus took me to school in the morning and then brought me back home in the evenings. Hope this clears up everything for ya.

Unfortunatly there is something like a prophecy where Mabus playes a Keen and Keel role in it:
it is the Name of the thirdt Anti-crist wich I now have disencrypted: It all happened somehow,...by itself and I hope I'm wrong or else : that it's not too late !!! since the visionair himself told that by the time we discover the true identity (name) of the anti-christ: it could already be too late !!!
Today: I was watching tv: the memorial for the WTC victems and Bush with his agresive talk of the war on terrorism (Final war to end all wars,...)

and came to a conclusion:
Wa (lker) bus (h) = Mabus !!! Wa= Ma upside down !!!

okay,...so I tought to myself: with all this shit going on: there must somehow be a link ,... and intuïtively I grabbed the book I hadn't touched for years,...a book about Nostradamus, so I figgured: there MUST be something written down on it that is so obvious that even I would be able to SEE!!!
So I read on
Nostradamus describes Mabus as a goeroe and some kind of savier (bush IS the hero for the moment) with potentially messaian features !! :Look and hear the way he plays it all out and displays his vision! for example: AXES OF EVIL now if that aint messaian talk !!!

and came to a conclusion:
Wa (lker) bus (h) = Mabus !!! Wa= Ma upside down !!!

More and more signs are beginning too point in a certain direction,...louder and clearer , as I moved on to the next experience,.....


So I read about the centuries and kwatrins? -Verses- ...voila.

The more I read, the more that I'm getting convinced that this war is not only about fihting terrorism,...but also about a broad range of other aspects that nearly surpassed my comprehension,...
and it's not only about oil,...nor just energy,....in fact: if that would be the real issue then it would all be too easy to overcome,...but no: it's much more elaborated,.......unfortunately.


it al seems to fit in perfectely: he mentions a cruel sekt: of moslems who will come to trow over 'florance' = I translate it like florishing : bussiness !!! also: florence remains the seat of western 'classical Italian and of Renaissance' art icones like: Leonardo Da Vincy, situated in the heart of Tuscany, It is the centre of a magnificent history and culture, examples of which adorn the city even today. It was here that artists such as Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci lived and worked, as did poets such as Dante and Boccaccio. As a cultural heritage from these times, Florence possesses a wealth of monuments and works of art
times are indeed destroying the legacy and cultural heritage,....isn't that what it's all about: the institution of the NEW WORLD ORDER !!!

it goes on: their leader will burn it twice !!! (WTC twin-towers!!!)
He (the leader) will send malin men up front, not bounded by law or concious (that where exactely Bush his words : when he spoke to the people !!! ) and read this also: Raymond Mabus <http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/parkstreet/302/>
this has apparent been a medium for the anticrist,...look at the system behind it let it frap you in the face, but duck away !!! cause it i'll hit you otherwilse!

So I read on : scimming trough every bit I could find on what reaaally is happening !!! and this: is also a pointer:

There was this documentary on either ABC or SBS the other night and it was one journalist's (or whatever from America) look at what Afghanistan is like etc...now I know ppl who might have been flipping the channels might have thought this was a re-run because the same guy with a very similar documentary was on the tv around Sept 11th-obviously the channel was looking for a good 'realistic' documentary on Afghanistan at the time and found it as this was the best and most illuminating documentary that they put on-every other channel was still bitching about the attacks etc or was only showing military type footage and showing taleban ppl etc, this was showing the country the ppl etc...anyway the fact is is that that documentary that they showed last year was filmed whilst the russians were still attacking and this second documentary by him was after the sept 11th attacks and then he added 'voice over' info to include recent developments-now this wasnt a Sixty minutes type thing-just a guy trying to film afganistan and he happened to be one of the last westeners to capture at least 2 (poor examples) of the ancient Buddha statues...(side note: Apparently the statues are in this lush valley and the ppl there are descendants of Ghengis Khan's soldiers...the valley is where the slayings occurred thus are known as the 'valley of noise' because of all the screaming that the victims of Ghengis Khan and his men made...now the interesting thing is is that these descendants THUMBED THEIR NOSES at the Taliban and did their own thing!!! They said that as descendants of Ghengis Khan's men they were NOT Afghans etc thus could not be ruled by the Taleban-unbelievable! I think that they should get some sort of recognition for this-it looked like the kind of place that the Taleban 'should' have been interested in Ie Lush valley with crops (actually trees and grass etc as well) and what seemed like only a small village full of ppl-yet these ppl were playing volleyball and betting on it etc and this was all filmed during the 5yr ban on all sports and betting and everything else the Taliban deemed as 'immoral' or just plain FUN lol).
Anyway the journalist bloke just casually mentioned for no reason really (although he was talking about how afghanistan had been at war for 2000 years etc and how the landscape looks because of it and about what historic things had been bombed etc) and he said that AMERICA ASKED RUSSIA IF THEY WOULD AGREE TO LET THEM BOMB AFGHANISTAN AND THEY ASKED THIS OF RUSSIA ***TWO MONTHS BEFORE SEPT 11TH ATTACKS ON AMERICA!!!***

and came to a conclusion:
Wa (lker) bus (h) = Mabus !!! Wa= Ma upside down !!!

One of the theories regarding 9-11 (that has a growing credibility) is that US authorities knew of the attacks in advance and allowed some of them to succeed while preventing the others. This to manipulate public opinion allowing the "war on terror.

and came to a conclusion:
Wa (lker) bus (h) = Mabus !!! Wa= Ma upside down !!!

and don't call me crazy just because,...but because it's true,...and it's shocking yes!!!

Now more then ever is there rival and disinformation !!!
I will (edit) update and work on this post frequently and regularly but for now it's emminent that you all can read this and make also discoveries !!! please don't hessitate to reply !!!
that's not intended for flamers!!! and also not for redecilouzation!!!

This is interesting, Fukushi, but didn't Nostradamus also say that the world would end, in like, 1994 or 89 or something? I watched a twenty-year old show on the History Channel about Nostradamus, and the guys broadcasting it were terrified because Nostradamus mentioned 'Hister,' and that he would be the second antichrist and he would decimate the world (everyone knows the story of ww2 so I won't get into it;)).

But Bush is a republican, and naturally the republicans leading in congress and the white house are evil, so I'd go along with it :D It is intriguing, because 'Hister' isn't totally like Hitler, and 'Mabus' isn't totally like Bush. Very curious. No matter what happens to the world I'll just be glad when everyone is comparing Bush to Hitler, because unlike just about everyone else on the goddamn planet I really hate the bastard.

I shall keep in touch with this post.

Dear Pollux ,...

They (the men decrypting the centuries) have made mistakes earliar and most of the times they could only point afterwards to what already happened,... in this way it still can be devised and used by the anti-crist: because they are certainly aware of what their doing !
I wasn't ,....now my picture is complete ,.... NOW LETS EXPOSE HIM FOR THE SCUPULOUS BEING HE IS !!!
The more I read the more I'm convinced and the more the puzzle of the centuries start to unfold to me,...but luckely not only to me !
Wa (lker) bus (h) = Mabus !!! Wa= Ma upside down !!!!!!! spread the words !!!!

If someone wants to see the Centuries (http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/titan.htm#COMPROPH)
See for yourselfves how they perfectely fit in these times of intrigant misgoverment.

and by the way: for all you who believe there's no thruth in it: what do you think of this :

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The city is besieged and assaulted by night;
few have escaped; a battle not far from the sea.
A woman faints with joy at the return of her son,
poison in the folds of the hidden letters .

'just' another nice 'touch' of a visionair?
would an Islamic fundamentalist use a method described by a
non-funda-fata-menta-list, nah?

Hold on a second, fukushi. What bush are you talking about? I just realized this, but the president's name is George Walker Bush, and the other one was George Herbert Walker Bush.

Wa = Ma upside down !!! thanks ! I corrected al posts,...
I'm studiying the verses now,...
there are astoundingly many verses applicable to certain things that are happening in the world now,...(or have happened)

btw: you want to see something weird?
:open word, now type in plain times the flight nr. of the flight with destination :one of the twin towers: Q33NY
then select:
and change to wingdings, s
ee what happens,...cruell,...ough!

Fukushi I hate to say this but I think it's a bih of a long shot.

I don't think it's far away,
the disaster will go astray,
for every men enslaved in will,
deprived of hope and forced to kill,
the world will see with their closed eyes,
and hear blindfolded the presented lies,
the charges upon to take effect,
and the number that will errect.


12/03/2002
Myself

Fukushi is right!

bush is a very evil person, just look at what way he was 'elected'. The first time the man was on TV, I had an aversion against him. And I'm not the only one. The American Shadow-Cabinet is working behind the screens and only half of it is brought into the open, if it is half of it!

Dates predicted by Nostradamus are most of the times not well calculated in the modern times. Even if it are professionals who translate his predictions. They are most of the times wrong about the dates.

This war is too ugly for words and I do believe this Mabus is personified evil which can be found back in bush or whatever character who plays a lead row in this so called war on terrrorism. Everything goes wrong for the humans walking down on Earth now. Mark the words of Fukushi, this war is not only for the oil or the terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The U$ is planning on using atomic weapons and they will bring doom to Earth and Her human population. Animals and Plants will die, Rivers and Seas will be poisoned!

This is not only Nostradamus who predicted it. This are the facts! bush wants to control the world, the whole world, at any price! Don't you see??!!

Americans! Open Your Eyes! Wake Up, Do Something!! Before All Is Lost! If It Is Not Too Late Already!! This Mabus Character Is For Real!! Case Is To Find Out Where And Who He Really Is!!

You will be updated as soon as I know more about him. I am busy with this.

Listen well, this is a serious threat to the Earth and all life upon Her. And the danger is coming in a terrible speed.

Stand Up! Do Something! Spread The Word!

And don't tell me you didn't know the U$ knew about the WTC attacks BEFORE they actually happened...

This is an email I received from someone living in the Netherlands...One of many!! Wake Up People!!

Think it is true. If i look at my own processes of anger, shock, fear, abhore, pity and after little by little so much came on the surface in the news, all kinds of stories and sites, the doubts, more backgrounds and in general the investigation covers about the last 100 years with lines, connections, hidden facts, names, companies and we get sick and sicker.......
We see what happens in the bombing and other threats among others in Afghanistan, how many innocents lost their lives...... how the environment and people are poisoned, as Bush proudly stated the depleted plutonium bombs do their work for the next 4-5 billions of years......
We read about the poisoning of the water supplies in Iraq, we read about the 60 countries on the bush attack list among which are western European, even if not written in ink, but we know we are high on the list because of our freedom and location.
We read about the mind control of the masses in USA, the patriots who in fact endanger all healthy thinking and protest and who are the masses like Orwell described in "1984" which is America in action today....... This is what we see and we are rejected on news lists when we try to open eyes and tell the people to please watch and be critical but we are rejected in stead and attacked.......
I'm one of the victims of the new technologies with which they manipulate people in distance, the psychologic warfare, transmitting voices, sound, smells, all kind of things to create physical and mental discomfort and this happens here, in my country, which should be a befriended nation!
We did not forget 60 years ago, we learned our history books in school and we were warned for the mass control, we see it happen and why oh why do those american people not see it, not listen, why aren't they waking up and see us europeans as the bad people, the evil places giving hospitality to other evil ones they fight in their own countries?
Why don't they see the people who are bombed down are not the real enemies, as the leaders make all kinds of agreements, many have decades long of business connections with who are bombing them down today, the people, not the leaders themselfs so it is so much more easy for them to manipulate, governments replaced by personal employees and paid by...... yes, by them.
We in Europe are more then sick; we do see all the double play and more and more areas and countries destroyed, even harbours and projects paid with our tax money destroyed by bombs we did not ask for, we see the pictures of children born in those areas after the americans destroyed the whole environment... yes as said above for the next 4-5 billions of years, we see this planet changing in a smoking ruin in a few months time.....
We see the birds and other animals left the areas, which for the people there is very bad as they need them for their crops and ecological balance........ We see how those who openly are fought behind the screens have the same side in the picture, but they think we don't see.
Now we discover the things, we are all even more controlled, our health care is cintrolled, natural therapies and cures cut and forbiddden, web sites about the info and the supplies closed and the owners fined, so people can only go to controlled conversional doctors who keep them under control with their chemicals from the nazi laboratories Bayer, Hoechst, BASF, Roussel Uclaf, which were the biggest investors in the nazi movement in the 1940 and still are today, who came with the cyanide gas for the gas chambers for destruction of the masses, who came with the deadly abortion pills, .....
We see the agreements and role of the vatican, which has at least three banks in the usa, in projects in nuclear weapons, in those anti-conception pills which officially are not allowed for their followers............ we see the religious leaders with about the same suppression of their followers, no matter which religion it actually - officially is...... we see the peopel crawling in the dust and poverty while the leaders are fat for their paradise like life, telling the people after their suffering is their paradise....... do they believe it themselfs? And those religions are supported byt the governments, who tell the others are bad and should be destroyed and blehhh yeah blehhh say the followers and send their children to kill and be killed other innocent people.......

Today i was personally very shocked. Realising about the innocent and friendly looking American reporter, why he was held and what the people wanted in exchange. Realising the whole personal matters and gains of a few who stole their higher position and why so many people are suffering. In other cases it was numbers, so many tens, hundreds, thousands of people. Now it was the picture of one frame of a video of an innocent person. At least i don't know more then the news told about him. This was very realistic and sorry for not giving you the URL. this became so very personal and i was shocked and angry and i felt abhore for the people capable of doing such beastial things. And i realised again what they want and why they want it.........
Yes, we can only say, we do not feel ok with America in hands of those criminals. We can just ask to pelase wake up and do what is reasonable, if time is ripe to please have a person who is there for the people, the well being of the world and population. I wonder what ever JFK did wrong in the eyes of who ever, whose "removal" was such a shock i remember still after almost 40 years.......
We Europeans ask the American population to take action, to wake up from their poisonings, to finally work together again.
Also we ask the peopel to realise we Europeans see a big difference between the normal population and those in command and the happy few who permit themselfs all and creating this smoking ruin, turning in their own lies......
I am very much convinced America is a very interesting and beautiful country with the most wonderfull possibilities and people between all the rest, but it is because of that criminal rest that many of us turn our backs for the moment.....
Do realise we were in rather peaceful agreements with Russia. Now we learn behind the screens they work together with USA, and in the open they will be fighting each other. We are between two big forces, thanks to America so of course we are not happy in any way. This is why.
We just say.......wake up Americans.

Light Love and Peace
Jooske Wittewolf An-tAh-rA

Now hold on a second, banshee, we americans, despite popular belief ARE NOT UNDER ANY FORM OF MIND CONTROL.

I totally agree with you. Bush is an asshole, and the first chance he gets he will throw everything we have at everyone. I hate to break it to you but there isn't a hellofa lot I, or anyone else for that matter, can do about it.

But at least those who survive the catastrophe can say to themselves 'yeah, that bloke bush, he was an asshole.'

It may look to those on the international scene that every last american loves bush, adores him absolutely. This is not the case. Everyone around me here in maine at least hated him from the start, even on september 11. It's the media's fault for making us look like we're under mind control. The twenty people they interview on CNN do not represent us. Bush is an asshole. Everyone who isn't a republican thinks so. If anyone, he'd be the one to blow up the world.

No, there you are right! There are people in the U$ who dislike bush, to say at the least. So YOU people have to take action!

And it is not only bush from who the danger comes. There is not that much known about Mabus. I did a little research at the internet and look what I found.

From this site comes clearly the message that the U$ are playing a very big role in everything. It is case to stop this. NOW...

Check it out please. And spread the word!

http://www.montana.com/bupc/nealpl3.htm

I'll be back about this! It is important enough! You people want WWIII to become a fact...???:(

That most people don't,...

Nobody is shielded from the evil minds who hold the power to terrifiying knowlegde,...

take a look what Americans did to fellow citicens,...
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/history-germ-warfare.htm
and that's just a little bit of info,...

what people have lack of is the overall picture,...that is why it's verry difficult to pinpoint,...

It's like planning to kill someone,...
the victim does not know what you are about to do,...
and ofcourse you keep secret everything that could expose your plans to him/her

now it's verry important that you realize that this world is constructed with certain powerstructures, to that you must agree,...

Now if you fail to see that everything has it's meticilous planning,...from the smallest thing to the biggest concept : nothing is left to chance,...or else the concept will fail,....

and you fail to see that there's an enormous holdback to knowledge,...
knowledge can eleviate people,...into a better environment, with better healthcare, with the RIGHT choises being made,...and not the wrong ones : the most profitable: materialism is verry destructive on the mind: it has tendensies to possesion,...

don't start a discussion of what's right or wrong: and don't start by telling me who I am to make such proclamations: I know,...
and I'm telling others,...that what makes right is the origin where everything comes from,...and what's wrong :is everything that destroys all that,...obvious? not so according to the *ù$^$µù
EGOCENTRIC visions of the lobby's! who go on and on: devastating, destabelizing, destructing everything what I care for since I came to conception.

so if you fail to even begin to want to see what reaally going on behind those curtains: then indeed it is not af your concern,...
UNTIL: people begin to die,...and still you don't care,... your fellow-men, your friends, still not of your concern?
okay,...how about your familly? not of your concern?
okay then how about your childern? and their children? what world do they have to live in? just because according to a 'democratic' proces it was ruled out that there where not enough people who said they reaally cared!
would you want to go on in your life? knowingly, deliberately neglecting the signs on the walls?!?

There's no pride to take for you great-great-grantchildren who will hate you for EXACTALY that kind of mentality: oh nothing wrong with your mentallity you say? no : you think because you are disiplined and you studied hard and long so you could work and earn money,...what guilt do I have? what Guilt am I to bare ?
what bussiness do I have with those renegates,...in the gutters,...my children in the future,...

Silence,...

Banshee, you see, I'm kindof at a disadvantage, now, seeing as how I have a problem of being FOURTEEN YEARS OLD and even if I was legal voting age I wouldn't be able to do anything ANYWAY.

If he ends the world I'll just chuckle to myself before I'm enveloped in a superheated flow of radioactive air.

It's easy to envision 'the end of the world' or 'the end of your life'
but that's not the issue here,...

It's not about walking around with a sign wich says:
BEHOLD / THE END IS NEAR/ REPENT !!

that's bulshit,....

It's about being alive while life itself becomes impossible to live,...
when life on earth becomes unliveble,....IE: Hell@earth

that's what this is about,...dying in vain,....dying in pain,...dying in despair,....

who's controlling the media? who's controlling world politics? who's responsible for killing? who's responsible for polution? what's the reason for agression? why uphold an economical system that doesn't work,....

that doesn't imply that everything should take a hold : but It should all be converted to a better understanding and should be deviated towards a system that cares for the people,...not for profits,....

who's controlling birht-rates? and with what methods?

I behold the answers,...but nearly nobody really cares,...
this is not MY pessimism,...it's theirs and perhaps yours too,...

WE CAN make a difference,...WE CAN change the world,...WE CAN stop the Anti-crist,...

AND WE WILL

Thx
:bugeye:

I'll believe it when I see it;)

Is it so difficult to see who's poisoning the earth,...poisoning the minds of people,...feeding them with hate,... Blinding them with fear,...
Telling them they are have the right to kill: the right to destruct : the right to poison and to polute and ect, ect,...

shall I call you simple,...or just plain dumm? It's not my intension to misconceive enyone,...
but you have yourself clearly deceived,...and you drag others with you,...you'd better be silent and listen then,...

IE: first put you brain in gear, before you put your fingers in motion.

If you would open your eyes you would see,...
you can't see if you will not open your eyes,...
then if you won't open your eyes,...
it's not just to write down what you wrote,...
I'm not trying to convince enyone here,...
I'm giving away info from the source itself,...

Beelzebub, tasteless, to say at the least...:confused:

Pollux V, it is not the age that matters, it is the understanding that there is something completely wrong! Just say, 'I'll believe it when I see it' is simply stupid! Yeah, put your head in the sand, the easy way out!

Damn, are you all blind??!! Everybody has to make a stand here. It is just so obvious where the greatest danger is coming from and who wants to rule the worlds opinion and has the most influence on the worlds politics and misbehaviour.

Open your eyes please, people of Sciforums. Maybe we CAN make a difference if we all join together here.

It doesn't matter if you are old enough to vote. What kind of remark is that anyway? It is refusing to see...

I make sure to tell this to as much people as I can reach. Open up your heart and your eyes and CARE FOR HUMANITY'S SAKE...

My uncle, and very close to us, was a two star general in the Army -- and worked in intelligence. He said something interesting to me once, when as a teenager I was spouting off some conspiracy theory.

He smiled and said "let me tell you a secret. Do you really think the government is organized and intelligent enough to really keep any great secrets like that for long? Military Intelligence is a contradiction in terms. The world is the same now as its always been, millions of little conspiracys -- every person, family, company, government cospiring to get as much of the pie as they can. And the good thing is, since everybody is equally in on their own conspiracies - it kind of cancels any cooperation out"

Originally posted by Fukushi
Wa = Ma upside down !!! thanks ! I corrected al posts,...
I'm studiying the verses now,...
there are astoundingly many verses applicable to certain things that are happening in the world now,...(or have happened)

btw: you want to see something weird?
:open word, now type in plain times the flight nr. of the flight with destination :one of the twin towers: Q33NY
then select:
and change to wingdings, s
ee what happens,...cruell,...ough!

There wasn't any flight with this flight number. It is simple Bull shit. However I do agree with your different views. But this one was cleared long ago. There are lots of things under that wingdings writings that can be change accoriding to what we want.

*Do you really think the government is organized and intelligent enough to really keep any great secrets like that for long? Military Intelligence is a contradiction in terms. The world is the same now as its always been, millions of little conspiracys -- every person, family, company, government cospiring to get as much of the pie as they can. And the good thing is, since everybody is equally in on their own conspiracies - it kind of cancels any cooperation out"*

And did you really believe your uncle?? How blind can you be?? Please, think a minute before you start agreeing with your uncle, just because it is your uncle. That's the reason you believe it, isn't it? If it had been someone else, a stranger, who told you, you wouldn't have believed him/her!

Again, How Blind Can You Be?? Jesus, are you all that stuck in your cozy consumption society that you just don't want to see what is happening under your noses?? The rumours about the U$ involvement in everything sneaky and suspicious is a little too obvious!

What does have to happen before you eye-shielded people finally see the light?? When it finally is too late, nobody will be able to even see the light. :confused: Look at the world. Look at what is going on! And I mean, LOOK at it and think about it real hard!

Do I have to post every email I get about the Shadow Cabinet and other secret activities of the U$ government??

I will be happy to do so...

I used to live near Los Alamos, NM. Area 51 - places like that . . . certainly there are *secrets*, military secrets. But when the Stealth fighter was being tested, of course dolts like you who believe everything thought it was MORE probable that it was a UFO than a secret military plane. What are they testing now? We don't know, military needs to keep its technology secret. You think its more probable that aliens wasted vast amounts of energy to come here to earth and hide and deal with our idiot leaders?

Can I sell you some great real estate in Florida?

Originally posted by Banshee
Beelzebub, tasteless, to say at the least...:confused:


And just what in thee hell did I say wrong, tart?

Thanks Banshee, I was just about to say the same:
a two star general in the Army who worked in intelligence now that's where you've got to 'believe' in : HA HA HA (sarcastic tense laughing)
-when as a teenager I was spouting off some conspiracy theory :
what was it then? and does it aply to this thread? and where did you get the idea? and why did you change your believes so quikly so to speak? doesn't that put your mind to think : how could you be so reluctant to something where you first 'believed' in verry strongly?
first of all: if the aim of your post is to dissmiss this thread as a conspiracy theory: think again,...
If you try to tell us a secret that isn't one: then please talk about the 'secret' wich you do not value as a 'secret'.
if he had really told you a secret he'd had to kill you. YOU LIED
the world is certainly not how it's always been. YOU LIED
Military Inteligence is not a contradictio in termis. YOU LIED
intrigues are not to be compared with conspiracies. YOU LIED

debunk some other themes if you want: I do not ask you to criticize nor to try to prove it's not true,... YOU LIED AGAIN
He smiled and said "let me tell you a secret"
and you bouht that so easely? then why don't you just as easely 'believe' it (your terms : not mine) when we tell you something? when we tell you something wich is true,...unshakebly so,....even undeniable !!!
And why do you try to dissmiss it as a theory? that would be nice,....if all would just be some kind of theory that made suffering,...
well:
- a theory is : an hypothetically truth, but this is not at all hypotheticall: AGAIN YOU LIED
-WAR
-KILLING
-POLUTION
-ECONOMIC WARFARE
-SECRECY
-DISINFORMATION
-MASSA & INDIVIDUAL HYPNOSIS (if you don't know what that means then first study to know some facts: before you answer)

I can debunk every misfit you try to imply: and yes: maby you will succeed in keeping me ( and others ) buzzy with that: but if you're not willing to form a front in you head : then don't. If you're not willing to free yourself then don't: but do not aspect me to eleviate you or don't try to make me de-leviate you: that would be your wish? WEL FORGET IT !!! YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER PATRIOT / POWN
By the way: Osama bin Laden was and probably still is on the payroll of the CIA and that's just one of the facts that is no secret!!! it's there for enyone who wants to see,...but you don't,...

Beelzebub, I apologize. I reacted wrong, took your words the wrong way. My humble apologies.

I second the whole post by Fukushi. And leave it with this for now. I'll be back...

In the meantime, Open your eyes, people!!!

Lied? I could certainly be wrong, but that is different from a lie child. Incidentally, ever consider the fact . . . the possibility that you don't have the corner on the "truth" either? Maybe when we die we find out, maybe our brain just stops and we don't find anything. Until then, everything along these sorts of lines are opinion.

Its funny - you think you are in the minority? And that most people have their "eyes closed"?

Heh! Fact is you fit right in with the majority! Most Americans believe in one or more of these things:

Our planet is run by/or hides/or is regularly visited by Aliens.

Homeopathic medicine or something equally silly like faith healing.

Astrology.

That Uri Geller really was bending spoons with his mind (despite being debunked).

And more.

You are not in the minority, MOST americans believe idiotic things.

If you KNOW the TRUTH, go claim the $1,000,000 reward held in escroe by James Randi @ www.randi.org

Oh, actually I'm sure that if you can't prove it to anybody - its because its a "setup" or something.

The universe is pretty exciting in all the ways we can see steadily in front of our eyes, only poor observers need to try and believe in such stupid shit!

Mark of the beast - aka Barcodes? You must have slept for 15 years. Try microchips or datadots. Our dogs have it now. And rich kids in Pakistan are getting it (too many kidnapping for ransom).

But even microchips are not necessary. We now can scan a face for identification. That is more intrusive than a microdot or barcode that must be scanned in close proximity. For facial identification, they are slowly going to put them in Walmart and may be seven-eleven to watch for shop-lifters. Forget about the government - it will be done by the businesses.

Imagine this. Say, you went to Walmart (it could be any store). You bought something that has what they call an inventory control tag (which is really to foil stealing). The place is busy and the store clerk did not de-magnetize or remove the tag. Now, as you walk out of the store, you hear behind you an announcement about that stupid inventory tag. Since there are so many people also behind you walking out, you just ignore it and go to your car. In the meantime, the computer took a picture of you and circulates that picture to every other store in the country in a matter of minutes. .....

The same BS about the $1.000.000. Jesus, why the hell are you people constantly coming up with this nonsense!! :(

If I was a little less friendly, I should say 'Go f**k yourself!', child.

Anyway, I am friendly, so I keep quite, for now. I am not an inhabitant of the U$. I am Dutch, from the Netherlands.

*The universe is pretty exciting in all the ways we can see steadily in front of our eyes, only poor observers need to try and believe in such stupid shit!*

First, there are UniverseS, in multiple. No beliefs, facts. I've done some good observing, with open eyes!

Second, Astrology is made up by humans. Again, good observing, with open eyes!

The other part I leave alone, too silly for words to get into. And it is not what this thread is about. If you want to talk about Healing, extraterrestrials and you have actually something to say about these items, then go to the right thread.

In the majority?? How come so much inhabitants of the U$ have their eyes closed then?? How the hell can it happen that the majority of the U$ population has been fooled by a creature like george w. bush?? How the hell did it happen, his 'election' and all the rest of the mess he is making in the world now-a-days??

He is not alone in this no. He is probably the one who gets it his way, because the U$ has more money to spend.

If A-bombs are becoming a fact, it will soon be over! Before you can say another word. Then you'll find out if there is a life after this life...

Talk to you later... :confused:

I can't stand the Shrub (Bush) either -

You make many assumptions. I grew up in Germany, though I'm a US Resident . . . and even if I was raised here, your generalizations are silly.

You are stunningly arrogant! You honestly believe YOU are better than most people eh?

Good luck!! Heh!

No way! I am in no way better then the rest!

Why do you have to ridicule me immediately?

It is easy done, calling me names and trying to intimidate me, just because I have a different view on life then you do.

Well, let it be so. Your loss, not mine...

for you the truth is having supernatural powers néh?!? Hehehe,...
You're a funny guy ya now: you just made me laugh LOL
thanks for that ! hehehe,...

I don't have enything to prove: because there's nothing to be aproved,...
do you have to prove something ? do I let you proof something ? Do you let me proof something ? You would want me to proof something HAHAHAHA (I just fell of my chair)
okay then: as requested : the truth: (for you to interpret)

Proof lies within to see,
without the truth as key,
twist and turn,
the knowledge we burn,
is ours to know,
waisted when we go,...........


14/03/2002
myself

But I don't expect you to 'get' it, I don't even demand it,...

Erm...

what are you guys discussing?
Open my eyes to see what?:(:confused:



bye!

The problem with saying that Bush is the anti-Christ is that the Roman Empire must be reastablished with him as head for that (acording to Nortradamis). So the white house must be moved to Rome.

Nostradamus is very accurate when it comes to date, and i think that i know when the next big war will start:

Nostradamus:

In the year 1999 and seven months:

My guess:

9/11 = WTC attacks + 7 seven months.

= April 2002.

Bush/Blair and EU planning a major assault on Iraq, and Somalia.

Moslem world making an alliance and goes to war against the westerners. Did you guys see the polls in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan, Jemen, Qatar, U.A.E?


"The great leaders will be friends for 12 years"

Soviet collapse - December 1990 with Gorbachev signing the break up of the DUMA.

April 2002 - Thats pretty close.... especially since Vladimir Putin is getting pretty fed up with the western world at the moment.

still dosn't solve the Roman empire thing

Come to daddy,...

GRAVITY!!! You messiah!! Finally, someone to support me! I agree with you, completely! Banshee, calm the hell down, you're going crazy, do you really believe everything you hear? Look beyond it, banshee you are just totally nuts here, just calm down. The future can only be predicted, not completely spoken about.

But upon catching up on this post it is EVIDENT to me that fukushi and banshee cannot be persuaded to stop BELIEVING EVERY WORD THEY HEAR.

Look up, gullible's written all over the ceiling!

H-kon, I second your post. There is a real good chance it will happen in April yes. And that is so very close by that we just want to wake people up.

Pollux V, be careful now! You know me better then that! I don't believe everything I hear! When do you stop with that crap?:confused: Damn , you know very well where I come from.

Again, wake up, before you never have to wake up again...

Originally posted by Asguard
still dosn't solve the Roman empire thing

I've just noticed this thread.
a lot missed, but as for tht Roman Empire. the capital has not to be nececeraly Rome.
in the last 200 years or so of the Roman Empire the capital was located in Ravenna (sp)

believe is not evidence,
evidence is not proof,...
proof is not truth,
truth is not believe,
believe is not spirituality,
spirituallity is not religion,
religion is not believe,


elephants do fly,
radioactivity is not dangerous,
if you believe something than that's truth,
you know it better: because you are,...
poison is healthy,....
if you can redicoul someone you have to do that,
killing is legal,...


the following sentence is truth,...
the previous sentence is false,...

Confused? I'm not,...

Did I miss something here? Anti-Christ should be by definition be "Anti-Love" that is Hate....

Hate comes from people like Osama....besides I watched Nostradamus on TLC. He said some one from middle-east will be the anti-Christ.....

and deception,...Nostradamus didn't say that: cryptologists assume that,...and they tried to link the name Mabus to several outlaws and scumbags of the east,...
Khomeini
Khadaffi
Abu Nidal
Abu Abbas

Nowhere is that written down by him,...that in any way the anticrist will be an arab or something like it,...

Nowhere,.....

At the first page of this thread I've given a ink in which is assumed that Saddam Houssein is Mabus. Can't find that much information on Mabus.

Also there is mentioned in the Centuries of Nostradamus that the winner will be from the West.

I agree with Fukushi, there are a lot people mentioned as being Mabus.

Wonderful post Fukushi, the one above Kmguru...

We are lumped together becuase Bush apparently has an 85% or greater approval rating in our country for his actions. The majority of this culture agrees and supports Bush's efforts to make the world one big happy capitalistic democracy with the U.S. the shining crown. The citizens and big business of this country are behind the President, whether he purchased the office or not. The lumping and blackening of the U.S. is a choice it is making in it's actions and words.

The U.S. is being led by a man with small penis syndrome who spent time with "Uncle Ronnie" eating jelly beans and learning about something cool called "Star Wars." This is a man who can't even eat a pretzel safely!

Does that sound stupid? What's even worse is that the majority of American citizens don't get it. The U.S. is not innocent because it is supporting the little psycho. He is making organized attempts to bully the rest of the world and make totalitarian laws within our country. If Bush doesn't shut up and learn how to play with others, we (Americans) are going to pay the price in the future.

:confused:

Small penis? Banshee, you should know what one does with it that counts, right?...just kidding...could not help it...Banshee and small penis together....in the smae sentence I mean....he he he....:D :D :D

Originally posted by kmguru
you should know what one does with it that counts, right

So tell me,...what does he do then? I'm rather curious,...and bewondered that you know here 'he' hangs out,...tell us: do come forward , don't be afraid to 'come out' ,...

hehehe
:D

by the way : I just found out about: John Hogue (http://www.hogueprophecy.com/) it appears that he is a leading authority on the subject,...I invited him,...

Go figure Kmguru... I didn't like him at first sight!:D

May I suggest you people check out Fukushis link. Please read it all.

Did you invite John Hogue to the thread Fukushi? Then it can become a wonderful discussion here...:)

Then there is Saddam Hussein of Iraq. You can find his name matching that of Mabus by using a simple occult word game. First spell m-a-b-u-s backwards; then turn any letters around that can represent a new letter once reversed, such as "b" turned to a "d." Thus, "Mabus" spelled backwards is "Sudam." Use the law of replacing one letter and you get "Sadam." Phonetic redundancies allow you to spell it with an extra "d" and it becomes "Saddam."

Despite the current bellicose climate between Israelis and Palestinians, I still hold that Saddam Hussein of Iraq is the chief candidate for Mabus, to date. He considers himself the protector of extremist Palestinian aspirations -- namely; the deep rooted desire to push Israelis into the sea and take back all Palestinian lands seized in Israel's 1948 war of independence. He has pledged a force of up to 5 million armed Iraqi Mujahadeen poised to assist their Palestinian brethren in the coming conflict. Intelligence reports indicate that Saddam Hussein is rapidly rebuilding his chemical and biological weapons arsenals. He may yet produce atomic bombs -- either smuggled from former Soviet sources or through manufacturing a crude bomb of his own. The most conservative Pentagon estimates say Iraq could build or procure an atomic weapon in less that five years.

(End of quote)

__________________________________________________ _

AMERICA’S CALAMITOUS WAR AGAINST TERRORISM

If my interpretations from June 2001 are accurate then you will see the perpetrator of the attack on America this September of 2001 banished and annihilated no later than early April of 2002. That conclusion can be derived from an understanding of Quatrain 24 of Century 6, which reads:

Mars and the sceptre (of Jupiter) will meet in conjunction,
A clamitous war under Cancer:
A short time afterward a new king will be anointed,
Who will bring peace to the earth for a long time.

The JPL American Ephemeris sets the next conjunction of Mars and Jupiter for early April of 2002. The early-20th century Nostradamus scholar, Wöllner, puts it for 24 June 2002. I believe the first calculation is more accurate but I would not rule out the drift of predicted events to a slightly later time, like the summer of next year.

America is ruled by the sign of Cancer in astrology. The current American president, George W. Bush, is also born under the sign of Cancer. Thus one could decode the second line of the prophecy above to read "a calamitous war under America and its leader." If this is a correct decoding of the line, then America’s war waged by President Bush against terrorism will be a calamity for his country, the American economy, and perhaps bring catastrophe even to himself.

I really suggest you read the whole article, don't forget to click on Continue please...

Originally posted by H-kon
Nostradamus is very accurate when it comes to date, and i think that i know when the next big war will start:

Nostradamus:

In the year 1999 and seven months:

My guess:

9/11 = WTC attacks + 7 seven months.

= April 2002.

Bush/Blair and EU planning a major assault on Iraq, and Somalia.

Moslem world making an alliance and goes to war against the westerners. Did you guys see the polls in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan, Jemen, Qatar, U.A.E?


"The great leaders will be friends for 12 years"

Soviet collapse - December 1990 with Gorbachev signing the break up of the DUMA.

April 2002 - Thats pretty close.... especially since Vladimir Putin is getting pretty fed up with the western world at the moment.


Well just to let you know that all the religious books says that world will end in middle east. But when, no one knows about it. All religions have their own set of beliefs according to their religions, if christians have their reasons that world is going to end then jews and muslims might have their own. But how do we know that they all are pointing to same time or is anti christ is going to be Christian? Muslims, Jewish or Hindu?. He could be athiest or agnostic but what do we know about him? I mean I am sure that world is not going to end any time soon. I have my reasons. :D
Any ways and I just bought my play station 2 so I would like to enjoy it for while. :p

this is outragous: Bush & Blair nominated for peace nobelprize!!!

http://www.eskimo.com/~cwj2/actions/bushblairnobel.html
please vistit this link to vote agains their nomination,....
my guess is that they nominated themselfves

Now if there's one thing for shure about the anti-crist it's this:
He corrupts people with ease,...manipulating, pulling the strings and the puppets dance,...

by now he's aware that we're on to him,...and the april thing could be correct,...so maby,...just maby,...we turned the tables
and just maby: there's nothing going to happen, just because we are concious about it,...

atleast I am,...and that's maby enough,...
but if it isn't and the f*cker bombs some basement with this atomic nuke device,.....then even I wish for the world to react,...

Markx, *I mean I am sure that world is not going to end any time soon. I have my reasons.*

Give me your reasons please! I am dying to know about them. Thank you!

The anti-christ is just a word, a symbol. Most people know what is meant by this. And godbelieving, Jew, Moslim, Catholic, Protestant or whatever, is as old as the history of mankind. In the days of Nostradamus it played a significant part, as it does now-a-days.

The more people become aware of the existance of Mabus, the better. Fukushi is very right here!

I am aware of it, so that makes at the least 2 of us here at Sciforums! I bet there are a lot more people aware of it, they just don't dare to speak up on the boards. Afraid they will be accused of , 'believing everything they hear', as Pollux V mentioned so nicely.

Guess you people think about it twice and open up! Nuclear weapons are available, on both sides!

How long before they are going to actually use them...??

bush won't wait! The winner shall come from the West!!!

The winner is born on American soil !!!

and By the way: those people who are afraid to speak up are probably right: you should be afraid because you are going to exerience the same boycot as other people that speak up:
if not wors,...
for example: they 'll cut your welfare-check, if your not on welfare then they 'll find an other way to infringe you with some other stuff,...maby even use medical records,...agains you,...

and don't argument on this if you're not the one speaking up,...
cause then you are clearly not the one they will harrass so YOU won't expirience all this,...

Greetz.

Has anyone watched a movie called "on the beach"
This will be the reality if someone DOSE use Nukes. The utter destruction of ALL LIFE (except bactira). Im not going to comment one way or another on the mabus thing but BUSH HAS TO GO. He will destroy the world if he is allowed to deploy Nukes. HE WILL KILL ALL INCLUDING PEOPLE LIVING IN THE US.

*for example: they 'll cut your welfare-check, if your not on welfare then they 'll find an other way to infringe you with some other stuff,...maby even use medical records,...agains you,...*

bush already did so! He cut money out of the medical treatments and school equipments. The money spared, he's put into war fare. This is a fact and every good citizen of the U$ knows so.

Wellfare? You cannot count on it any more for sure. it was a measly little bit anyway, now you can forget about it at all, over a small period of time.

Doctors complained about the cut a month ago or so. I have to look it up. It's somewhere in my emails and it's a mess in there. My, my, Lets hope they will come to their senses. In Time!!!

Have the feeling the time is not far for actually using the nuclear weapons. Then the damage is done...!!!

(by the way, people who read this thread and don't agree with it or have to make a comment, then do it here in the thread please! not nice to read it in another thread.)

But you see, we see it too. Why can't you see it's not the American people doing it, but an illegal administration??? We are as helpless as citizens of this country to do anything about it, as you are with your government. Why can't YOU see??? Most of us hate the lumping in of the common folk with a few warlords that have taken over. We weren't even allowed to have the president we elected, and that was all a farce too....

WE are sick because this is being done in our names. We the people are not the Bush administration, and I would hope that you would acknowledge that, but in your rant you did not. What can we do? What is there available to us to do to stop George Weenie? Get a clue--- if we could do anything, we would, for the most part!!!!! We are not happy about the wholesale bombing either. We are not happy about the money for our children's educations and our elderly's medicine being used to destroy another country. We are not happy to be blamed and judged by the entire world, whose histories also echo similar atrocities..... We are not happy to read that self righteous people who are safe in other countries think that honest working people here are horrible and stupid because of a presidential pretender. Why aren't you lobbying YOUR government to intervene?

Sorry.... I am an American. I was born here. I do not have anything to do with the war. I am tired of being punished for it. Did we not learn about the castigation of the Jews? Only now, insert Americans.... Please be specific that the American GOVERNMENT is doing this, not the American people except where we are forced to. Our men are told they will be shot if they back down. Shot if they do, shot if they don't .... now you tell me that they are hideous because of it.....

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE AND BLACK US ALL BY INCLUSION????

Mondra

This email was a response to the email I posted at page 1 of this thread, from the Netherlands. So there are American citizens who do not agree with bush??? And actually raise their voice!...My, my...

Perhaps you people can follow in her footsteps...!!!

Originally posted by Fukushi
Wa = Ma upside down !!! thanks ! I corrected al posts,...
I'm studiying the verses now,...
there are astoundingly many verses applicable to certain things that are happening in the world now,...(or have happened)


I think there's a very simple explanation to why nostradamus' "prophecies" are so relative to so many things happening today. Its called archetypes!!! Certain themes do translate from 50 BC to 2002!! I believe that we as humans haven't changed very much since Nostradamus' time. We still have basically the same fears. So the deception, intrigue, destruction of cities by war... etc... would still apply today.

btw, I do think you're really stretching it with the Wa = Ma bit.

:rolleyes:

You think I am strechi'n it? hehehe that's a good one,...

my answer: at least in a even matter to what already has been streched sofar,...in denial.

when you dare to say that you see patterns in a rorsach-test,...they can say you're sick,....

when an artist sees some meaning in a spot on a canvas they call it art,....(when it sells : if not > rubbish at worst)

when a man seeks closure on a environment issue they call him an idealist (rather then helping him)

when a sientist seeks closure in a theory they call him brilliant
(it doesn't even has to work, it can even be destructive !!!)

When you go out in jeans and t-shirt people walk you over,...
when you go out in a suit people kiss your ass and bowl to you,...
(you should reaally try it sometimes)

when you try to say something important, it gets discussed,...and denied at best.
when you say something irrelevant, there's suddenly a dialogue.


and you say : -I- am strechi'n it?!?
my answer: get out of here,...I know empiricall evidence gets sweeped under the table as being to subjective or lucid or ,....so I try to explain it for you guys and girls in a more sientifically perspective,...but this is not 'exact' sience for you anyhow: so why 'critisize' it überhaubt,...(tout court).

After I posted to a mailinglist for more information on Mabus, this email came in today:

>Altho Im no expert on Nostradamus, I did have an interesting
> experience last Oct/Nov when someone who is quite involved with
> Nostradamus questioned me or rather ET. I was told 'Mabus' was
> M - abu - S. The one I noticed was Mohammad abu Sita; aka
> Mohammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's right hand man who was killed.
> Then I was shown 'the one and the many' tho my friend seems to
> think there is one specific and the many and he disagrees that
> Atef is the 'specific'. He seems to think that another M abu is
> the correct 'specific' altho the last name does not begin with
> an S. It is also commonly accepted that this man would die
> reasonably early, and would signal the rise of the AntiChrist.
> If Banshee wants more information, I can research my notes and
> locate the other name that my friend is quite convinced is the
> specific.
>
> Respects,
> Vanessa
>
> =====


Banshee has asked for further information...

Hi there!

I am aware of it, so that makes at the least 2 of us here at Sciforums! I bet there are a lot more people aware of it, they just don't dare to speak up on the boards. Afraid they will be accused of , 'believing everything they hear', as Pollux V mentioned so nicely.

Here I come... ;)

I discovered this thread only now...

About the prophecies of Nostradamus...

Asguard,

still dosn't solve the Roman empire thing

Roman Empire means the mightest nation of the world. Nostradamus used Roman Empire, the Bible used Babylon. ;)

It's just simbology...

Mars and the sceptre (of Jupiter) will meet in conjunction, A clamitous war under Cancer:
A short time afterward a new king will be anointed,
Who will bring peace to the earth for a long time.


Mars and sceptre of Jupiter... in conjunction!
This astrologically means expension of war...
Cancer also means home... in the case... Earth...

I like the two last lines... :)

It seems that George Bush will be deposed... :D

Banshee... do you have more of those Nostradamus Quatrains?

The JPL American Ephemeris sets the next conjunction of Mars and Jupiter for early April of 2002. The early-20th century Nostradamus scholar, Wöllner, puts it for 24 June 2002. I believe the first calculation is more accurate but I would not rule out the drift of predicted events to a slightly later time, like the summer of next year.

I believe it will be in April too. I can discover when... but I need the Ephemerids to do that. I'll ask my mother to look it up... if she already bought the "new" one...

Love,
Nelson

*Century 2 Quatrain 62:

Mabus will soon die, then will come,
A horrible undoing of people and animals,
At once one will see vengeance,
One-hundred powers (Nations), thirst, famine, when the comet will pass.*

The comet has passed us on March 15.

This articles are coming from a website Fukushi mentions on page 3 of this thread. I'll copy the link for you here:

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/

Let us know what you think please. Every aware human being has to join in as soon as possible. To much people around here who say it's BS, til it's too late...

Banshee,

What is... BC?

What do I think...
I guess we are f*****...

I guess Mabus is Anti-Christ's best friend...

Everything will be alright though...

PS: A version in French (maily the original) would be really helpful... the words are really important for the interpretation of the simbolism... And if Mabus in French is Suam... or Busa...? :D.
If it's impossible... no problem... we can use those too... ;)

Love,
Nelson

BS, means BullShit...;)

Ask Fukushi if he has the French version. I think he does.

He will read this any how, so I guess it won't be a problem. Talk to you later...;) :)

I missed ma bus.
There wasn't another one for nealy an hour ;)

As requested :
This (http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/search/index.htm) is a verry good search engine just enter any word related to a quatrin, and poef!
Or you can display the quatrins itself by just giving a number and you have the choice of displaying it in Englisch or in French: Voila !! S.v.p, Monsieur!
:o

Merci beaucoup Fukushi!! :D:D

It's really cute in French... :p
... :bugeye: :bugeye:

French version... :D :

C'est tres miogne en francais... :p
... :bugeye: :bugeye:

... ;)

Love,
Nelson

C2Q70

Le dard du ciel fera son estendue,
Mors en parlant, grande execution:
La pierre en larbre la fiere gent rendue,
Bruit humain monstre, purge expiration.

-----

The dart from the sky will make its extension,
deaths in speaking: great execution.
The stone in the tree, the proud nation restored,
noise, human monster, purge expiation.

Stone in the tree... does anyone guess this?
It would be interesting do a new thread with a new game... who can guess what it really means...
The one with the best answer win a lolipop... :D

The dart is easy to understand... perhaps it can even be atomic bomb... :(
proud nation... what's the proud nation...? US I guess...

Does this means that the US will lauch an atomic bomb in Afghanistan...?

But what the heck is the stone in the tree!?!?:confused: :confused: :confused:

I guess I'll stay a long time this night trying to decode this...

Love,
Nelson

Where are we in Nostradamus' prophecies...?
I mean... which century, which Quatrain...?

Love,
Nelson

*Century 2 Quatrain 62: TruthSeeker.:)

Mabus will soon die, then will come,
A horrible undoing of people and animals,
At once one will see vengeance,
One-hundred powers (Nations), thirst, famine, when the comet will pass.*
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C2Q70

Le dard du ciel fera son estendue,
Mors en parlant, grande execution:
La pierre en larbre la fiere gent rendue,
Bruit humain monstre, purge expiration.
-----
The dart from the sky will make its extension,
deaths in speaking: great execution.
The stone in the tree, the proud nation restored,
noise, human monster, purge expiation
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Stone in the Tree, guess it has to do with executing Nature. It's a little bit literal and Nostradamus spoke in symbols, so I don't know if I'm correct here.

No lollipop for me then? :p

The Proud Nation Restored can also mean the Middle-East. There are proud people (moslims) there who don't give in without a fight. Since Mabus is from the Middle-East and first has to die, The winner will come from the West, that shall be the U$. Don't think of them as a proud nation in that context though. Then again, I can be totally wrong. Fact is, something is coming! Closer and closer now!

Wish I got an email back from Vanessa with more info about Mabus. Guess she is busy with other things...:(

The more people beleive of something, the more likely it is to happen so I suggest to keep all of the world accopolipsis stuff away and turn to smth more optimistic. How's about - we will conquer the galaxy stuff;)

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*Q. Is there to be no Antichrist with a blue turban, then, calling down nuclear missiles on New York, as in the film?

A. Not if Nostradamus himself is to be believed. For him, the target of the Antichrist was always going to be *Europe* -- and, moreover, he would eventually be defeated.*

TruthSeeker, where did you find that Quatrain and how did you come to the conclusion it has to do with Mabus and the war on terrorism?

Just wondering...:)

Avatar, dream on! We won't conquer the galaxy... ;) :)

WHY NOT????:confused:
really, we are held back only because of lack of appropriate technology. But tht will change soon. You know what a big difference was between 19th and 20th century, so what could happen in 21th?:):cool:
you believe in so many things, so why not add The Great Solarian Federation possibility somewhere in the future?:)

The human race is not ready for such an exploration. Heaven forbid that they actually meet extraterrestrials and it are U$ inhabitants who are piloting the Spaceshuttle or whatever you want to call it. They should shoot first, then shoot again and later, when it is too late, they start asking questions.

The Great Solarian Federation? :) Only when you are the captain of the Fleet. ;) :) :cool:

year 2253......
4th known reincarnation.....
memory upload.....
subject confirmation....
important.......
processing.......

entry from 26/03/2002 b.m.e [before my era]
A first generation i-net identity Banshee [latter known as the High Priestress of Earth] suggestedme to take over galaxy [Milky Way] . Of course then it was only a non-serious talk, but after I invented FTL and Other Life Memory Return method, I saw no futther possibilities tht would delay me from accomplishing tht. Myself together with the brightest minds of Sciforums [later-Scientifical Governmental Institution of Solarian Federation] designed and built a fleet of 12 great spaceships[Stardust, Explorer, Avatar, Earth, Humanity, Conquest, Photon, Sol-1, Exosci, Supernova, Predator, Signal]. And now I'm on my way to the 4th star star system of possible colonization [Sirius]. Solarian Federation now consists of 7 semi-independent worlds ready to shape the hystory.

..................................memory upload completed...
.....................previous known memories uploaded...
.....................start regeneration................
...processing.....

:) Wonderful!:) Keep on processing... ;)

Sirius? You know Sirius is famous because of their inhabitants. So tell me, who did you meet and do they allow you to colonize it for Earthlings?:)

My previous known memories are uploaded... :bugeye:

..year 2250...
...scout probe report....
...location: Sirius system....
....status: deserted..........
.....planetary data: 1......
.....named: xilon-4i....
......swaping location to xilon-4i...
.....planetary scan commencing...
.....scan completed...
......result data...........
.....signs of previous inhabitation...
........signs of advanced life forms.......
........increased radiation is 12% of the planetary surface....
............H20 concentration: 40% of the planetary surface....
...............O2: moderate..........
....................incoming signal..........
.......receiving...........
.............
.....................
...........analysing..........
.....mached as top priority package.......
......information transmit........
......as follows: you have entered the Kshanyan space sector,
....identify yourself............
.....FTL information request to earth.......
.........identity request allowed....
........processing start up location coordinates........
......................message as follows: planet is deserted, new location is:43254565633:14455:125125:2355532.....
.........end....
......send final information data.......
...........data sent.....

Banshee,

The Stone in the Tree, guess it has to do with executing Nature. It's a little bit literal and Nostradamus spoke in symbols, so I don't know if I'm correct here.

Good call... ;)

No lollipop for me then?

Someday... in the future... in another encarnation... :D
Sorry... we don't have technology to send it through computer... :p

The Proud Nation Restored can also mean the Middle-East.

Yeah... I thought that when I went to sleep. I remembered that they liked when the WTC collapsed...

Avatar,

The more people beleive of something, the more likely it is to happen...

Yup... Reality is based on our beliefs (I already talked about that, didn't I...? ;))

Banshee,

TruthSeeker, where did you find that Quatrain and how did you come to the conclusion it has to do with Mabus and the war on terrorism?

It's only some quatrains after the one you picked about Mabus. That one was C2Q62. Mine was C2Q70. The dart coming from the sky instantly reminded me nuclear missiles... those ICBCs that the US made during the Cold War. I just linked it... How would Nostradamus describe a nuclear missle? Like a dart coming from the sky... ;)

Avatar,

really, we are held back only because of lack of appropriate technology. But tht will change soon. You know what a big difference was between 19th and 20th century, so what could happen in 21th?

We have to conquer the speed of light though...

you believe in so many things, so why not add The Great Solarian Federation possibility somewhere in the future?

There IS a Federation called... if I remember well...The Galaxy Federation. It's base is in Sirius. It's composed by beings of many stars such as Orion, Vega, Pleiades, Lyra and even our sun...
But that's kind of confidential information... so, don't spread it... :D:D

Seriously... we can't get out of here not even in Spirit. Times are so bad that they created a kind of spiritual isolation barrier around Earth... But the Galaxy Federation is helping in our transition for the fith dimension... ;)

Ok... now better I shut up...
Or the Alpha Omega Congregation will complain with me...
Dammit... I forgot all the names... :(
Better look up in the Avatar Archives... ;)

PS: It's not you... It's really Avatar... if I remember well the name... :)

Love,
Nelson

http://www.sltrib.com/03262002/nation_w/722752.htm
Feds Order Underground N-Weapons
Tuesday, March 26, 2002

BY DAN STOBER
SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- The Pentagon and the Energy Department have directed the nation's nuclear weapons laboratories in Livermore, Calif., and Los Alamos, N.M., to compete for the chance to design a hydrogen bomb that could destroy targets underground.
To the dismay of arms-control proponents, the Bush administration is advocating such weapons -- which would slam into the earth at high speed and then explode underground -- as a means of attacking command bunkers or biological and chemical weapons facilities possibly buried in such places as Iraq, Iran or North Korea.
Work on preliminary designs for the weapon -- known as the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator -- begins next month at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in northern California and Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Scientists at both labs will propose modifying weapons rather than designing a new bomb from scratch.
That distinction plays a role in arms-control debates in the post-Cold-War era. Arms-control advocates say designing and building new weapons provokes other nations to follow suit, at a time when the fear of "rogue state" nuclear weapons is growing.
The Bush White House, like the Clinton administration before it, says it has no plans for new nuclear weapons designs. But critics charge that extensively modifying an existing weapon for a new purpose is equivalent to a new design.
"If I take my Honda into the shop and it comes out a Ferrari, that's not a modification, it's a new car," said Marylia Kelley of Livermore, who leads Tri-Valley Communities Against a Radioactive Environment.
She and other opponents argue that producing such weapons blurs the line between nuclear and conventional weapons, increasing the chances that nuclear weapons will be used.
Proponents maintain that nuclear weapons could reach some buried targets that could not be destroyed by conventional bombs. Energy Department officials also say the preliminary design contest will help maintain the skills of scientists at the labs, 10 years after explosive testing of weapons in Nevada came to an end.
Lawrence Livermore's candidate is the B83, a hydrogen bomb designed for the B-1 bomber. Los Alamos will work on the B61, which has already been modified 11 times, including the modification for earth penetration.
The initial design work, officially called feasibility studies, was requested by the Nuclear Weapons Council, a coordinating body of military and Energy Department officials. The three members are Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Pete Aldridge, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology, and logistics; and John Gordon, the administrator of the Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration.
The Air Force, which would drop the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator from its airplanes, is also involved in the studies, which are to begin in April after Congress is notified.
Lawrence Livermore officials said they could not comment on its feasibility study, the second step in the seven-step process to design and produce a nuclear weapon. Modification of the weapon would keep the nuclear explosives portion of the bomb -- known as the "physics package" -- largely intact. But the bomb's casing and interior supports would be strengthened.
The Bush administration nuclear-weapons policy, laid out in January in the Pentagon's Nuclear Posture Review, de-emphasizes strategic nuclear weapons but promotes the development of "advanced concept" battlefield weapons such as the earth penetrator.
Earth-penetrating weapons are built long and thin to smash through earth and rock at high speed. In some non-nuclear tests the weapon's exterior casing has melted from the friction. In tests to date, weapons have penetrated only a few dozen feet.
The B83 is 12 feet long and 18 inches in diameter. It was developed at Livermore in the 1980s and has the advantage of already being built to withstand impact. Its detonation is delayed to provide the plane time to clear the area; otherwise, the crew would be flying a suicide mission.
Livermore scientists have studied the B83 as a potential earth-penetrating weapon since the 1980s. Both the B83 and the B61 have a feature known as "dial-a-yield" in which the bombs' explosive power, or yield, can be adjusted. The maximum yield is more than a megaton, the equivalent of a million tons of TNT, a mountain of conventional explosives.
At high yield, the B83 would produce an explosion greater than 2 million times more powerful than the "bunker-buster" bombs that the Air Force has used against Taliban and al-Qaida caves in Afghanistan.


:(

Banshee,

Cheer up! Everything will be fine! Don't worry about it... live more the present... ;)

You are passing your message. We expect them to receive and pass to other people. We need to spread it. But you don't need to be so sad about it. We are learning! Our mistakes make us grow up. So don't worry... everything will be fine. ;)

Love,
Nelson

Nelson have you been reading my posts under world events and politics?:D

yeah!, and mine too;):D

btw Pollux, what happened with your homepage. is it finished?
I'm making one right now, specially for folks @ sciforums to read. Sorta profile/introduction . a small page for the link under my posts

I guess I just decided to fudge it. Wasn't really interested, I guess. Maybe I'll start up another....

PolluxV and Avatar,

Listen to Banshee. She has lots of important information to you. I just reminded her about the future...
She is doing her job, and I'm proud of her, as well of many people that are doing their parts.
You two should do yours too. ;)

Love,
Nelson

I do not have enough financial resources and knowledge to do my job Seeker:( Maybe you could help with tht financial and I'll do my part of educational;)

I want to devote myself to the study of ancient past, but the reality and country in which I live prevents it (geologs, hystorians, scientists are amongst the less paid people here:mad: )
So I'll take an e-business program in university and do the hystory studies in my free time, unfortunately.

:) I'm just passing information here guys. :) Don't have a well paid job. Don't need it either.

I wish you all the good and happiness you can get Avatar with your study. :) May the road to glory lead you right into the shining Sun. :) With all the money you need to make your wishes come true. ;) :)

It are just lessons in life and the future which are spoken of in this thread...Lessons which are paid for in a different way. Sometimes with Happiness, sometimes with a lot of Sadness and pain. Life Experience does never come easy...:)

Thanx for your good wishes Banshee :). I hope tht they come true.
Cheers!

Originally posted by Banshee
My previous known memories are uploaded... :bugeye:
Really??:) , then perhaps you could teach me how to do that. For real , not by my immagination;) . For me as an ancient-history-fanatic tht would be of the greatest importance.
I can provide you with secure encrypted communications [255], so you can share with tht secret.
I have a good encryption program:cool:

wait...hang on a sec, what are yeh talking about? I don't have enough time to look back through the thread...

check out the top 2 or 3 posts of page 5

Money is not everything...

I could give everything I have and everything I could have only to be Loved by whom I Love... :(

Love,
Nelson

funny, I was discussing this with my sister online (she lives in UK) yesterday. With money you can't buy hapiness, but you can buy the conditions with which you much likely woll acquire one.
This is true, this is real life, unfortunately.

I can not buy old artifacts with no money, I can not see pyramids with no money(it is true nomatter what you say[again unfortunately]):(
but I'm an optimist:)

Money can't pay for Love.
And Love is everything I want... :(

Love is the most valuable thing in the Universe.

And still... I give it all to you...
And don't receive it back...
In the way I want to... :(

Love,
Nelson

No it can't, but there are a lot of other things to love, not just people. Say- I love nature, rivers, forests, sea. I love thm. Do I receive love......um I don't know, but it's enough for me to have these feelings. Human love is a different aspect, and you can't say you love me, because you don't know me enough (and I'm not gay:D). I can not love someone/thing I do not know. Some say - Jesus loves you- but hell, why do I have to love Jesus(Yeshua). I mean I can respect him yes, but love.............
Love is smth you just don't give away to a complete stranger. You may get burnt.
tht's what I think, you can think different, you may hate me for these words, but tht won't change anything for me, maybe only you;)
See Ya:)

and so this tread dies,..............farewel,........bye now!,...........sleep tight,.........

:o

Avatar,

I can not love someone/thing I do not know.

Unless you have Unconditional Love, which is the True Love... ;)

tht's what I think, you can think different, you may hate me for these words, but tht won't change anything for me, maybe only you

I can't hate...

Love,
Nelson

If you can't hate you are no human. So either you are a genetically or mentaly altered humanoid or an alien. In either case no harm in discussing anything with you;)
Cheers!

If you can't hate you are no human.

Correcting...

If you can't Love you are no human. ;)

Love,
Nelson

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Saddam Hussein
A Palace for the Antichrist : Saddam Hussein's Drive to Rebuild Babylon and It's
Place in Bible Prophecy
by Joseph Chambers
Joseph Chambers seeks evidence that Saddam Hussein's attempt to rebuild Babylon
is a fulfillment of Rev 18
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Ishtar's Gate : http://www.zionministry.com/Image15.gif

Babylon (from Bab-ili, meaning "Gate of God") was known for it's power, wealth and as a great religious center. The "golden age" of Babylon was under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar. (Nebuchadnezzar II, the most important of the Chaldean, or
Neo-Babylonian, kings, reigned from 605 to 562 BC. Although he is called Nebuchadnezzar in the Old Testament, his Babylonian name was Nabu-kudur-usur; modern historians often refer to him as Nebuchadrezzar.)
Little remains of Babylon's legendary glory. Desert sands long ago swallowed up the hanging gardens that were among the wonders of the ancient world.
Archaeologists who uncovered the splendid Ishtar Gate at the beginning of this century shipped it off to Berlin. Most of the other treasures found here are now at museums in Germany, France and Britain.

At the site where the royal complex once stood, a poster proclaims, "From Nebuchadnezzar to Saddam Hussein, Babylon Invokes Its Glories on the Path of Jihad and Glorious Development."

BABYLON IS RISING AGAIN!(Photos of new Babylon) :
http://www.zionministry.com/babylon.html

Iraq is definitely the location of the Tower of Babel (Land of Shinar) (Gen. 10:10; 11:1-9). Scholars place it approximately 62km south of modern-day Baghdad, Iraq. Tower of Babel ruins have not been located by archaeologists.

Saddam Hussein, today's ruler of Iraq, began the rebuilding of Babylon over these ruins during the Iraq/Iran war to help keep his people from becoming demoralized because of this protracted and costly war. Later, after failing to secure control of the oil market, by the taking of Kuwait which lead to the Gulf War, Saddam, having received sanctions constraining Iraq, has been unable to complete the rebuilding of Babylon. Even so, he strongly identifies himself with the ancient ruler, Nebuchadnezzar, believing to be akin to him and having been "given" the vision to restore the once great empire and becoming it's ruler. It has been said that they even look alike!

Zech. 5:5-11; note: "in the land of Shinar" = Babylon = Iraq

In September 1987 the First International Babylon Festival, under the patronage of Saddam Hussein, was held in the newly revived city of Babylon, the restoration of which began in 1978. For this event Saddam Hussein had a special seal minted
which featured his portrait side by side with the great Nebuchadnezzar of Daniel's days, stressing the similarity of their appearance. The festival's official theme was: "From Nebuchadnezzar to Saddam Hussein, Babylon undergoes a
renaissance."

Saddam Hussein sees himself as the incarnation of Nebuchadnezzar, as the successor of the ancient world leader to rule again a mighty empire from Babylon.
That empire comprised the modern nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and Kuwait. In August of 1990 Saddam Hussein attempted to reclaim a portion of that empire when he invaded Kuwait. The invasion was stopped --- BUT
NOT Saddam Hussein!

Side Note : ANCIENT NATION : House of Israel (Jacob) .....DERIVATION or LINK :
flag:"Union Jack"; flag of Britain: meaning: "a union of Jacob" .....CURRENT NAME
: British Commonwealth; America; and other western European nations . *
Jacob (renamed Israel) started a lineage of princes over the twelve tribes of Israel.

Edom and their evil works will be cleansed from the face of the earth.
Jacob-Israel (America and Britain) triumphs over his wicked brother Esau. There is soon to be a monumental event happening in the Middle East. Nuclear events......the Areas of Jordan and Iraq will be uninhabitable.

The Bible speaks extensively of Babylon, and identifies it as the evil city. It was the birthplace of the seed of Satan the devil.

Saddam Hussein has been appointed to prepare the way for the evil beast that will arise. This man is the man of sin, the very essence of evil. And he will arise with all the power of Satan the devil (Rev 13:2).

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


Correcting...

If you can't Love you are no human. ;)

Love,
Nelson

LOL, you're right, but lets not push these to extremes.

HOGUE PROPHECY BULLETIN
(1 APRIL 2002)
IS BUSH MABUS?

Dear friends,
I have followed the etymological trail for decades, trying to uncover clues to just what the 16th-century prophet, Michel Nostradamus, meant when he code named the third and future candidate for one of his three antichrists as the enigmatic “Mabus.” Those of you who have read my books on Nostradamus have followed my interpretation of his Third Antichrist eastward towards the future and infernal princes of the Near East. I still believe that the weight of Nostradamus’ interests and prejudices pull the divining rod of possibility towards the magnetic hotbed of Middle Eastern and North Africa despots. Today’s Arab and Iranian terrorists and misguided zealots are our prime suspects. For me the Mabus mug shot is flashed upon the film of my curiosity by Nostradamus’ favored mind-melding “camera” of classical metaphors. In other words, I have seen him too often color his prophecies in the Kodak moment of ancient Greek and Roman images of the future. If the ancient Roman’s called the Danube “Hister,” Nostradamus would hide his Second Antichrist’s name behind that classical Roman label. He would cloak a vision of a child dreaming his diabolical dreams while resting on the banks of the "Hister" and hide the name of the young Adolf "Hitler."

My interpreter’s hackles rose to attention when I first saw Nostradamian clues nudging me to consider that the next antichrist would come from where they once worshipped the “infernal God of Hannibal.” (Century 2 Quatrain 30). I had an epiphany after discovering the Romanized name given to that Punic god of Carthage, once Hannibal and the Cartheginias had been conquered and absorbed into Rome. The Romans renamed their god “Baal Hammon” “Thurbo Majus”! Those of you who are not yet under the spell of anagrams (word plays) might overlook the fact that one easily replacable letter — as per the rules of anagram — turns the “j” into a “b” to get Nostradamus’ name for his third antichrist (Majus = Mabus).

I first saw this Mabus-Majus connection in 1985, and since then it has led me to believe that many a young terrorist tough who, during the sixties and seventies, passed nearby the ruins of Thurbo Majus’ Carthage — to train at and later apply their infernal trade from the neighboring headquarters of the Palestinian Liberation Organization — can stand as candidates for Nostradamus’ Mabus, the Third Antichrist. Moreover, Majus, the former “Baal Hammon,” is a Phoenician god who was worshipped across regions that today include North Africa, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Iran, and the Saudi Arabian peninsula. Thus I could not resist considering that Nostradamus by playing “Baal” with us is expanding his classical metaphor to pin the Third Antichrist label on a terrorist coming from the modern regions who once worshipped “Majus.”

A study of the last two antichrists indicates that most of the letters needed to decode the name of the Third Antichrist could be found in his enigmatic name. For instance: PAU NAY OLORON (in Century 8 Quatrain 1) becomes Napaulon Roy (Napoleon King); Hister easily becomes Adolf “Hitler.” So, if Nostradamus is being consistent then we should find the name of the next and final antichrist virtually hiding in the letters M-A-B-U-S.

Certainly the next target for the U.S. war on terrorism can be found by reversing the letters “mabus” to “subam” then reversing any letters again, such as a “b” into a “d” to get “sudam.” That leaves one the freedom in anagramming to replace one vowel “u” with an “a” to get “Sadam.” The law of eliminating or adding redundancies to letters allows one to double our “d” to get “Saddam” Hussein.

Play the same game with Usama bin Laden and you can find that u-s-a-m-a + b has nearly all the fixings to cook Nostradamus’ code name: “Maaus + b.” You need not take the “b” from “bin” Laden to replace one redundant “a," but if you wish you can take the “b” and get “Maabus” then cut the redundant “a” to get “Mabus.”

Even so, a good Nostradamus scholar never closes the door to a different possibility.

After the events of 9-11, I have received what I might call “new leads” from hundreds of you out there. Many of the leads are products of ignorance and naïveté, but some of you are onto something.

The following emails from members of my newsletter list are perhaps some of the most cogent examples of what hundreds of you have suggested ia a new candidate for the Mabus enigma — a world leader living far closer to home than the distant and disturbed Middle East.

The first email is from Robert Davis, who granted me permission to share it with you all. Robert stated, “I believe you are missing a major point in your analysis, why do we continually assume the 3rd antichrist will come from the East? The first 2 did not, granted they are the most obvious choice at the moment but we are ignoring one inescapable fact. There is only one superpower capable of bringing total devastation upon the world, the USA! They already bring "terror from the sky" and have taken the first step to ignoring human rights and rules of war etc. I believe George Bush deserves investigation as perhaps the 3rd antichrist. To bring evil upon the world does not necessitate being perceived as evil ,war has a momentum of it's own and quite often outstrips the best intentions of men. Just a thought!!”

Next we have a letter from Antonio Alvarez, who, like many of those who write in this vein, have stated no animosity against the U.S. president but cannot deny that Nostradamus’ rules of anagram must consider the possibility — no matter how far fetched it might seem — that Nostradamus intended G. W. Bush as “Mabus.” I have received permission from Antonio to share some extracts of his letter with you all:

“It was very interesting to read in the Hogue Prophecy Archive, 4 June 2001 [“Who will be Mabus?” http://www.hogueprophecy.com/archiv20.htm], the way you tried to decode the name Mabus to try to find out who Mabus could be. But in all your decodings you did not try another possibility. If you take the first two letters of Mabu, that is "Ma", and rotate them 180 degrees, and then you mirror the turned around "a" you will get "gW", then you add "bus", the resulting name is "gWbus". Rotate 180 deg. "Ma" you get "pW", then you mirror "p" and turn it into "g", add "bus" and you get gWbus. The president of the United States is George W. Bush, and in Latin languages the "h" is silent, so it would be "George W. Bus", you use only the inititial of the first name, and you get "GWBUS". Don't you think this is another possibity?”

My answer to David, Antonio and hundreds of you out there who have written me similar letters — and the hundreds of thousands of you who have not written but I sense hold the same premonition — is the following:

Yes, the decoding of Mabus for Bush cannot be ruled out. It may also be possible that Nostradamus has mistakenly seen a composite of several people as one figure. Since my first book, written back in 1986, I have posed a theory that the farther Nostradamus looks into the future the more likely is the chance that the strangeness of our distant times are cloudier and harder to interpret through the filter of a mind programmed by the limitations of the 16th century.

Certainly leaders bound together by a dark destiny can be mistaken as one and the same antichrist. Moreover, one culture’s hero is another culture’s hellion. For example, back in September of 1990, a full four months before President Bush Sr. launched Operation Desert Storm against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, I wrote the following observations which later appeared on page 226 of the deluxe illustrated edition of The Millennium Book of Prophecy in 1994 (you can also find this passage on page 258 of the paperback edition):

“Then there’s Nostradamus, always ready to catch one’s projections in the flypaper of his obscurity. Century 8 Quatrain 70 could adequately describe the ascent of Saddam Hussein and perhaps refers to the subsequent alliance of some Arab states with America in Operation Desert Storm: He will enter, wicked, unpleasant, infamous, tyrannizing over Mesopotamia [Iraq]. All friends made by the adulterous Lady: the land dreaded and black in aspect.

“Nostradamus often used symbols for countries. Christian-programmed interpreters might figure this adulterous Lady to be the modern-day Babylon of Baghdad. An Iraqi interpreter of Nostradamus might think she represents America’s hypocritical “Statue of Liberty.” An Islamic interpreter would perhaps say Nostradamus is implicating the “great Satan” America as modern-day Babylon. Moreover, pro-American Arab leaders are her evil friends...”

I added the following coda in 1991 before publication:

“...If your childhood was spent in a Palestinian concentration (excuse me) refugee camp, it is quite clear who the wicked, unpleasant, infamous, tyrannizing fellow entering Mesopotamia was. American coalition forces entered Iraq with an air and land offensive after 17 January 1991, so the prediction could also stand for the past or future American president. Prophecy doesn’t care about the West’s identification with being the good guys.”

The final judgment of time and events as they actually transpire still do not care.

President Bush senior is eclipsed by the future President Bush junior, who clearly is poised to launch the United States into another Gulf War against Saddam Hussein in our near future. I think you will see the war ultimatums coming this May, followed by the attack on Iraq either in early July or as late as October, just prior to the mid-term U.S. elections. The only thing that might delay the plan is an unraveling of the Middle East in this Easter’s dawning Arab-Israeli war

I for one still say that Nostradamus intended Mabus to be a North African or Middle Eastern figure because of the prophet’s use of classical metaphors.

However...

The court of future history and events will be the judge.

As far as I can interpret the Mabus/Third Antichrist prophecies of Century 2 Quatrain 62 and Century 8 Quatrain 77, the criterion the future will use to reach that judgment depends of the fulfillment of the following events:

1.) Whoever Mabus is, he is one of the first to fall in the war he launches, be it a war on America or a war on terrorism.

2.) His death will be war cry for revenge and there will be a devastating counterattack.

3.) The reaction to his martyrdom and the counterattack will set in motion a 27-year war that only sees terrorism as its first stage but could eventually escalate and widen its theater of destruction to include an exchange of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons between a number of nations. This may include the worst-case scenario of a potential three-way war fought between the United States, Russia and China over food and other resources in the 2020s.

I believe the fulfillment of the first two steps is likely to happen before the end of 2002.

Yasser Arafat (his PLO code name being [m]Abu[s] Amar) may soon die a martyr. Easter 2002 has seen the beginning of “The Field of Thorns” — Yasser Arafat’s code name for a calculated last stand against Israeli occupation of the West Bank. If Arafat becomes a martyr, as he believes he soon will be, and if in response the Arab world rises up in a region-wide war against Israel and its American ally, then he could be Nostradamus’ intended Mabus.

If it is not Yasser Arafat, then another Arab martyr could come from the actions of the United States moving blindly forward with their plans to invade Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein. I have stated since 1997 that Nostradamus’ quatrains imply that Saddam would face death from a cruise missile cutting into the bowels of one of his reinforced bunkers.(See pg. 740-741 of Nostradamus: The Complete Prophecies). Thus he, as the Mabus prophecy says, “soon dies.” If his rapid extermination makes him Mabus then expect a “horrible undoing of people and animals” coming as a result of the post-Saddam Iraq disintegrating. The collapse of Iraq could destablize the Middle East while it might draw another president from Texas into his own version of the Vietnam quagmire.

Now, for Mabus to be the American president, “gW Bus(h),” he, regrettably, must be one of the first to fall in his war on terrorism. It must be noted that the American president has often made forceful, albeit linguistically simplistic and repetitive, attempts to remind the American people that his war on terror could last for “twenty to thirty years.” If he were to be killed and it was proven that his death came from the hands of terrorists, then you will see the “terrible undoing of people and animals” coming from an all-out American revenge attack on those nations of the East that are viewed by the Bush administration as part of the Axis of Evil.

I believe that this travail-full year of 2002 will not pass without my being able to declare who, or what, Nostradamus’ intended for Mabus.

The lands populated by humans will become uninhabitable,
Great disagreement and discord in order to obtain lands:
Kingdoms given to men incapable of prudence,
Then for the great brothers [usually implying Russia and America] death and dissention.
C2 Q95

History runs at a fast pace and it seems to me that the issues of this bulletin can only touch on themes that require far more in-depth examination. For those of you who want a more detailed dissertation on topics like Mabus/Bush, the Middle East and the possible futures born out of the events of 9-11, I wish to cordially invite you to read the just recently released Third Edition of my most popular Nostradamus book entitled: Nostradamus the New Millennium. It should be available at your local book store, or you can purchase it for a discount by going through the link at my home page [http://www.hogueprophecy.com].

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:

I wish to end this newsletter on a more uplifting note by sharing a collective response to another commonly asked question:

The attack on 9-11-01 leaves me shocked and mute. The mounting war fever and the national denial of America’s part in our dysfunctional relationship with the Middle East seems unaddressed by the policies and actions of the current administration. It seems we are marching blindly off to war and my children are asking, “Why?” What words of encouragement or at least what explanation would you give to children about this attack? What would you tell them is the cause of their parents repeating the mistakes and wars of the past in the near future?


Just remember that this current travail is caused by humanity being unconscious and conditioned to be predictable. It is possible that the dire events of the coming 30-to-100 years will inspire enough people to break with the past and its misery and conditioned reactions to give birth to a new and spiritually harmonious humanity. But this humanity will not come from collective actions. It will come one individual at a time. If you ask me what to tell children, I will say this: always seek love and awareness at all costs. Know that being authentic will get you in trouble, but do not stop being authentic, no matter how difficult it may be living in a world that supports dreamers rather than helping us to re-awaken the birthright of bright glory that a society of sleepwalkers conditions us to suppress. And finally, let me say to the children that their innocence is the source of all hope and genius for the present and the future. Do not allow grown-ups to suppress this birthright of innocence. Do not be angry with them if they try (because they will try). Be compassionate to them. Feel sympathy for them. They were once like you. The grown-ups have lost what you have not yet lost. That is why they are always afraid and angry with each other and go to war. They were once open and smart. Now they are knowledgeable and stupid. Allow them to help you function in this world. Everyone needs a functional name and needs words to communicate to others, but do not be identified with your name, your country and your words. Do not borrow anyone else’s experie