love science

would science describe love as purely physical and chemical?, and true love dosent exist?,

or is there any unnexplained feelings?,


butterflys in the stomach feeling of euphoria?

or chemical reaction and plain emotion?


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in my opinion everything you experience
is the result of chemical reactions in the brain

everything you feel, see, taste, touch, think, or believe

 

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so your saying true love for your partner dosent really exist on a sub or spiritual emotional level whatsoever.


and the feeling of love could be created in a lab hooked up to machines stimulating your receptors?,


hello wife i chemical reaction you, the same as i do with that probing wired machine?

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It is an emergent phenomenon.

You can eat salt. But try eating Cl- (chloride). It will kill you. Yet, bound to Natrium, it won't. Yet, the properties of NaCl are neither in Na, nor in Cl: It is the combined form of the two - their relation - which gives rise to other properties. Hence, they are non-local.

Love is relationbased. Therefore, it cannot be reduced into components.

 

This I know. The brain is not the muscle tissue unit in our skull alone but the systemic interface between us and our external enviroment. No one gets ideas from deep space nine because all ideas clearly come from the day to day interactions with the enviroment. Around 90% of thought can be said to be units of energy that conciously and sub conciously bounce off us right from our inception. All thought must register with previous observations and experiences as an entelechy, this organization has something to do with our identity by large. Ocassionaly, sometimes in life this organization gets disorganized or imperfect and we look for something or someone to fill in this void. This disorganization of memories and thought is a dominant trait of the adolescence because they are busy laying their identity foundations. Therefore we see that adolescents seem to love everything and want to make love to everything or hate everything and want to destroy everything. If you really know who you are you cannot love or hate, the same way a computer which can account for ...and finds perfection in every single process in its existence cannot love or hate.

 

Yes. In the big picture, love is in the brain, and in the smaller picture, it's caused by hormones such as oxytocin and I'm assuming others, but I don't know about them.

Define true love.

Why not both? butterflies in the stomach, feeling of euphoria, etc. are caused by chemical reactions.

Yes for both questions. I don't know about experiments dealing with love specifically, but by wearing oxytocin (involved in love, trust, and other things), it's been proven that people trust you more.

... ... ... the brain is NOT a muscle, period. It's part of the nervous system, not the muscular system. Nerve cells, not muscle cells.... so I guess you DON'T know. lol

 

Actually the brain is a muscle in that you can exersice it and build it. Not all muscles are made of the same things and act the same way alphawolf. Carring a chair you use the biceps, working on problems you use your brain.

 

Hey, y'all might want to check with National Geographic (I think they have a website??). But the latest issue I received just yesterday has a large, indepth article about "love". It's quite interesting ...especially in light of my prelim reading that "love" is different to what makes couples stay together as husband and wife. Interesting.

Baron Max

 

Darn, I wish I was still getting it.
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0602/feature2/index.html
quotes from there-
"For the first time, new research has begun to illuminate where love lies in the brain, the particulars of its chemical components."
"What Fisher saw fascinated her. When each subject looked at his or her loved one, the parts of the brain linked to reward and pleasure—the ventral tegmental area and the caudate nucleus—lit up. What excited Fisher most was not so much finding a location, an address, for love as tracing its specific chemical pathways. Love lights up the caudate nucleus because it is home to a dense spread of receptors for a neurotransmitter called dopamine, which Fisher came to think of as part of our own endogenous love potion. In the right proportions, dopamine creates intense energy, exhilaration, focused attention, and motivation to win rewards. It is why, when you are newly in love, you can stay up all night, watch the sun rise, run a race, ski fast down a slope ordinarily too steep for your skill. Love makes you bold, makes you bright, makes you run real risks, which you sometimes survive, and sometimes you don't."

Oh, so dopamine is also there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
oxytocin:
It is also involved in orgasms as well as in bonding and the formation of trust between people.
Inducing maternal behavior – Sheep and rat females given oxytocin antagonists after giving birth do not exhibit typical maternal behavior, such as grooming towards newborns. Conversely, virgin sheep females show maternal behavior towards foreign lambs upon cerebrospinal fluid infusion of oxytocin, which they would not do otherwise.
May be released during kissing. [1]
Thought to induce pair bonding in people. Plasma concentrations of oxytocin have been reported to be higher amongst people who claim to be falling in love. It is also thought that oxytocin might mediate other forms of pair bonding such as friendship and family relationships as given above. Reduction of sociophobic behavior was shown after treatment with oxytocin.
Nasally administered oxytocin appears to generate trust in humans. In a 2005 study, it was shown that in a risky investment game, experimental subjects given the hormone displayed what the researchers deemed "the highest level of trust" twice as often as the control group who were given placebos. The same experiment with the subjects told that they were interacting with a computer showed no such reaction, leading to the conclusion that oxytocin was not merely affecting risk-aversion (Kosfeld 2005)
Nasally administered oxytocin has been reported to reduce fear in humans and to reduce the activity of the amygdala (which contains a large number of oxytocin receptors and is in general thought to be responsible for fear responses). It is thus possible that oxytocin lowers fear by lowering amygdala activity. (Kirsch 2005)

 

I'm ambivalent because I have read and heard materials that denotes that scientists and the FDA's of the world are constantly trying to make us think every emotion and health issue is beyond us by telling us its all in our genes-e.g fat genes. This way they make us feel we have no hope and we buy into their products more and more-e.g weight loss materials. Even the stem cell discoveries I heard was a propaganda by the FDA to sell certain ideas I'm not quite sure of. Its all sort of another way to isolate you... of making you feel more dependent.

 

Any thought or feeling is a responce to a stimulus. This responce is based on your genes and previous experiences. You "feel" this responce because of the chemicals in your brain. If those chemicals weren't there, you wouldn't feel "love." Why isn't it true? It is a very true and tangible love which you have no trouble detecting. Whatever you call "soul" is the overall product of your body's activity. It's very tangible and detectable, nothing mysterious. This should make you feel more comfortable, so I don't know why you're all shaky. I haven't read the article on love yet, this is my take on the subject so far.

 

This is what has happened hasn't it. this surrela studio set where love is merely chemical soup---at least thats what the sorceror of oz says it is. and we BELIEVE him?....hahahahah...hah

we are livig in this blowing away mind blowin planet, in the mindblowing galaxy in a universe that....ohhhhhh, and is the believe by thematter-heads that it is all nuthin BUT emergent meaning, or dead chemicals going tru interactons

in tis sorry-arseed worldview all spirit soul meaning has fled and MILLIONS are on their 'medi-FUKIN-cation'!

 

Well, they probably are.. but that doesn't mean it isn't true. They first have to find them in order to tell you that. That's what peer reviewing is there for.

 

No, what's surreal is the mysterious untangible undetectable thingie called soul and the soul's untangible mysterious feelings.

Quit the hysteria, people.

 

well if genes are receptive then obviously a fat person may have inherited the idea of eating too much from somewhere else like food markets as well, not absoluetely your parents, who's ancestors by the way probably fell in love with food markets. So you see all health issues and emotions comes from the enviroment one way or the other...that is what the FDA's don't emphasize sometimes. Thus the adage " a healthy enviroment a healthy mind". Instead the FDA's of the world insinuates that these certain traits are sealed in our genes. Just move a 500 lbs man to a starving island and you will notice that despite the theory that he is cursed to eat he will probably loose weight, he's so called "genes" will...adapt to the enviroment

 

No, you're interpreting it all wrong. In fact, I haven't seen them EVER say something about a fat gene or alcoholism gene or whatever and NOT stress, and emphasize (yeah, they're the same thing, I'm just emphasizing that by saying the same thing twice) that they are NOT sealed in our genes.

 

I agree.

And I think love is one of the things that should be left entirely alone by science. Attempting to dismantle it is futile, and in some way…cold. It should just be accepted as the rare, beautiful, unreasonable, foolish and entirely illogical fixation it is.

 

Yes, let's keep being stupid. I mean, why learn about one of the most important emotions?

 

What is learning about it going to achieve?
It's not going to make you any more capable of loving, or of finding love.