lets pull these guys over ... they did'nt tip the waitress

get stalked by nosey on the next table ...eunice stone

 

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She didn't like their looks. Oh My GOD...They look brown and middle eastern and one of them was wearing cap.........Like....Muslims do. OH NO!!!

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Seems like TIPS is working pretty good.

 

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You know, being fairly anti-government myself, I can empathize with these poor bastards, because it looks to me at the moment that they're innocent. I think they were making a joke, one that I will try to reconstruct here.

9/11, as you know, is generally the word used to describe what happened, on of all dates, 9/11. Today is friday the thirteenth. 9/13, yet another date that, possibly to some people, may seem infamous for dealing out bad luck. So, to make fun of everyone saying how awful 9/11 was, they said that 9/13 was equally as bad. Heheh...get it?

I want to really make it clear here for a moment that if those guys were white this never would have happened. They probably aren't even from the middle east. I predict their origins to be in eastern Russia...

 

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http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4068519.htm

Personally, I have no problem with them checking these guys out. It's a stupid joke to make in public, what was the point of doing it. I would've been more upset if the woman didn't tell the police, and kept something like this to herself.

 

What the hell static?. Who said it was a joke> Who were to believe that bitch anyways?? You know what is so pathetic that those were all not even middle eastern that shows how pathetic the stupid public is. One Pakistani and One Iranain and only one was middle eastern. Oh wait they all were brown so they were all middle eastern correct?. U just assume the whol senario from Pollux's post. I think he represents just the idea that what might have happeened.

Peace

 

skywalker:

Okay, I'm high. But that's got to be the most bizzare grammer I've seen in some time. So bizzare that I haven't the slightest clue what your point is.....do you even have a point anyway?

Iran is in the middle east. Pakistan has honorary status as middle eastern.

Now, even if it was a case of a joke, I'm glad the police or whoever investigated.

P.S: If they didn't tip, they deserve worse than this. Braiding with the wheel springs to mind.

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Somebody help me out here, please

This whole damn thing has me confused. At one point, I heard that a woman had overheard these guys in a restaurant.

At another point, I heard that they were causing a scene in the restaurant.

I also heard that they ran a tollbooth.

I also heard that they got upset when people started whispering in the restaurant, and that's why they started saying weird things.

I heard the dogs found explosive residue in the car.

However, among all of that, I also heard a relevant question: Did anyone else hear them say this? Did a waitress? Any other patrons?

Flash forward. The TV happens to be on Neil Cavuto's show, and he's praising Eunice Stone as a hero, lauding law enforcement, and badmouthing the students; in fact, he repeatedly questioned whether they were students at all. I hear on there all manner of rumor, but not yet have I heard the question directly answered: Who, other than Eunice Stone, heard the questionable remarks?

I'm a half-day behind the story now, but I can't seem to pull that little tidbit out of the story.

So does anyone happen to know the answer to that?

thanx,
Tiassa

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Eunice Stone is disrespectful enough to give them sideway stares. Sheis just some red neck motherly type from georgia, 'nuff said.

 

Admittedly, what they did was like yelling "Fire!!!" in a movie theater.

 

YKJ, how do you know they did it? There's no evidence. At the moment, I think this Eunice chick hates Mewzeluhmms so when she sees them in the restaurant, she decides to make up some story to give them trouble.

Seriously, if I worked at that restaurant and a dark-skinned man walked in with a dark-skinned friend, after 5 or 6 minutes I could call local law authorities saying that they were talking about... whatever. They'd get in big trouble, I'd be praised as a hero... sound appealing?

 

Donahue

I made a point of watching Donahue on MSNBC. He was interviewing Eunice Stone in the studio, and the medical students via remote. Both sides had their attorneys present.

I was not impressed by Ms. Stone. End of story. "Tidbits". That's her explanation. Tidbits.

Of the med students, one bucked his attorney's advice and tried to communicate directly with Ms. Stone on the air.

It was, all around, an awkward segment.

Nonetheless, I'm just not impressed with our "hero".

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Tiassa

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a public apology for screwing up these guys whould go a long ways... hey but hold on ...that would'nt sell on Fox time

 

Irony

Apparently if there will be any litigation, Ms Stone will sue the medical students for causing her stress.

Some will blame "American", some will blame "woman". Some will blame "hick", but that seems fair. However, the reason I don't prescribe an inquisition against the stupid is that I cannot in any sense justify an inquisition against 95% of the population.

And out of all of this, I do hope Neil Cavuto never broadcasts again. After his shameful performance on the day of the interview, I have cause to doubt his credibility forevermore.

Unless someone can point me to an answer to a question I asked a few days ago:

Hey, You Killed Jesus ... you seem pretty sure. Did anyone else hear them? I saw an interview with Ms. Stone and the question still isn't answered. In the end, it may have been Ms. Stone who yelled "Fire", and who may need to serve some prison time for being a spiteful, paranoid, stupid person.

All I want is for someone to point out who else heard them. Until then, I can only hold Ms. Stone to be a reprehensible example of paranoia.

thanx,
Tiassa

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What seems to have happened is that this lady (waitress or owner) was watching these guys pretty closely. She probably hasn't seen too many people like that in her restaurant. Anyway, it bothered them and they made these statements to stir her up. That was immature and stupid. Her son, also an employee, also heard them, but he felt they were joking. She didn't, and called the police.

If you think this wouldn't have happened if these guys weren't Middle Eastern, I suggest you tell that to the long string of white Americans who've gotten in trouble for joking about such things on airplanes and in airports.

BTW, according to Merriam Webster the Middle East consists of the countries extending from Libya on the west to Afghanistan on the East. So they were Middle Easterners.

 

It's a big ugly mess is what it is

I happened to catch an interview with Eunice Stone (and her attorney) and the three detainees (and their attorney) on Donahue the other night. I disagree with this version of the story because it was denied by the students through their attorney when put to them as a theoretical scenario. And Eunice Stone herself admitted that she heard only "tidbits" and had no context for what she claimed to have heard.

That's what bugs me about this whole thing: as I watch it develop, it seems more and more like the pundits are praising Ms Stone as a hero and turning her into an exemplary American. I'm still not sure that she had basis for her actions, and this situation seems to be setting a new standard for the "brother's keeper" idea. I walk down the street every day and hear people saying menacing things about this or that, and they're generally more likely than most. One of my friends has threatened to flat-out murder my girlfriend. Frankly, I'm glad nobody else heard him say that because while I'm aware of his frequent habit of overstatement .... He's a pop culture child, he speaks insincere terms as his primary communicative method. I'm not worried. And I give the same credit to the guy on the street I overhear talking about how he's going to kill someone. Or the guy in the bar about how he's going to f--k that chick come hell or high water. I'm pretty sure of my judgment because based on the amount I hear that is more substantive than what I heard Ms. Stone saying, Seattle should be the epicenter for armageddon, sometime around last Tuesday. Hearing Ms. Stone speak, I can honestly say that I let things go that are far, far more clearly expressed than her "tidbits". It's called good judgement. I know when I hear a legitimate threat. I also know what is appropriate to say and what is not, but I do not expect everybody to do that. If every threat I heard in my own little quiet corner of the Universe came true, I'm not sure Seattle would be standing. The people would have destroyed each other a while ago.

It's not just ethnicity, though. It's ethnicity and a presumption of stupidity. Hmmm ... If I'm about to blow something up in an act of holy war, how smart am I if I blow it being arrogant at a Shoney's in Georgia? I can think of about twenty Middle Eastern men that I would have liked to be idiots in a Shoney's restaurant. But they weren't.

I'm just not sure Ms. Stone was justified in her actions. Hearing her speak on the issue is the clincher. I think she knows she f--ked up.

thanx,
Tiassa

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So you're going to accept the attorney's version of what happened? That's pretty naive. These guys are paid to lie persuasively. In fact they (the defendants) have changed their stories several times until they found one that was somewhat defensible. Early on they admitted they said these things because the waitress was annoying them with her scrutiny.

Did the waitress show good judgement -- probably not, but most of the people who have been detained or arrested for joking around airports made jokes that would have been seen as jokes to people of good judgement. There are some places you don't joke and some things you don't joke about.

 

Actually, what's interesting is that I can sum up my regard for this story chronologically:

1.) When it broke, I accepted that there was a legitimate threat afoot.
2.) As I watched the story, the family's requests for corroboration of Ms Stone's story seemed fruitless.
3.) That night, Neil Cavuto spent a good number of words castigating the students, praising law enforcement, and calling Ms. Stone exemplary and heroic.
4.) I started wondering why I was only hearing rumors of what these guys have said.

If they said it, they said it. But I have seen no hard source that assuages my curiosity. If you know of the link, please provide it.

Secondly, it should be pointed out that Ms. Stone's attorney is the one who intimated to the news that she may sue for damages related to the stress the incident caused her. Don't give me crap about lawyers. With someone mulling a lawsuit and the police refusing to say whether or not you're going to be charged with a crime, a lawyer is something to keep very close at hand.

Thirdly, an attorney's word is hardly as demonstrative as Ms. Stone's poor performance on Donahue. She had difficulty recalling what she heard, corrected herself a few times, and flat admitted that she had no idea what the guys were talking about. Her appearance and demeanor on that show indicated to me that she had realized she may have made a severe error.

I've heard all the things you're talking about, but I haven't heard them in any hard sense. I've heard speculation, rumors, insinuations, hints, suggestions, and so forth, but no real fact about what was or wasn't said.

Perhaps Ms. Stone should bring a frivolous lawsuit (most talk of it has disappeared). That way, we can bring the parties into court and get the real story on the public record.

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Tiassa

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The toll booth attendant just remembered they did pay their toll afterall and didn't speed through the gate in a desperate getaway.

 

Ouch!

Ouch, ouch, ouch. Seriously? That's one of those things I'd heard as a muddled rumor but never actually heard in any substantial form that they did.

You know ... it's a weird thing with me and the news. I try not to get involved. Banfield has credibility and not many others do. But of the "news-talk" hosts I'm starting to develop sympathies. Chris Matthews has undergone an incredible softening in recent months, Bill O'Reilly has taken some chances and gotten burned, and Donahue's actually holding his own on the air. But Cavuto ... after the unusually extended period he spent being an absolute patriotic prig in the classic sense of presuming the guilt of these students and then using that guilt as a platform for extolling his values ... geez, I'm starting to actually have a specific emotion about it. I kind of want to see Cavuto forced to eat a real live dead bleepin' crow on his show. Raw.

You know, it would be better for the nation, I think, if these guys were guilty of something.

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Tiassa

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Iran is middle-eastern, it just isn't arab. pakistan is also middle-eastern.

and seriously, if three guys who look mid-eastern to me are talking about blowing something up, I'm calling the cops. did any of you read the article about the 9/11 hijacker who was trying to get gov't funds to buy a crop duster? the chick who interviewed him didn't report him, even though he acted really suspiciously. now look at where we are.

honestly, if you wouldn't have done the same thing, than you're either very naive or very stupid.