yeah i just watched the first 15 mintutes of this movie and it was some of the most disturbing tv i have ever seen i just want to know from someone who has seen it does it stay like that through out

as someone who went to Bible Camp as a child and was filled with the holy spirit, I have to say yes. One of my son's 17 yr old classmates was asked what he wanted to do when he graduated. "I want to preach the word of the Lord and find a good christian wife"
Some christian churches are very much like cults.

I thought it was a good movie. These kids are bright and sincere. It's a shame their intelligence is being shunted into a narrow ideological perspective, but maybe they'll grow out of it.

..., but maybe they'll grow out of it.

I did, my best friend didn't. Her and her husband now run a district Bible Quiz and they even have nationals.

Movie seemed a little unbalanced.

Movie seemed a little unbalanced.

unbalanced? LOL yep, I saw lots and lots of unbalanced.

Hey guys! Lets I know how to beat the damn satanist Muslims (yes christens think this, and its very dangerous) lets OUT fanaticism them. Lets beat them by becoming Fundamental Fucktards! It'll work, trust me, god tells me stuff in my head!
:worship:
/sarcasm

Now that I'm done with that rant....
Children need to be out playing and having fun, not worrying about saving there souls, even reasonable Christens should understand this. We are creating mindless slaves that will never amount to anything besides an angry preacher or a child molesting priest (I over exaggerate ) Lets instead of corrupting there minds as soon as we can, let them view the world, and let them make up their own mind. We will create a place of greater tolerance and a people of greater enlightenment and brightness that this nation, no this Earth needs.
:D

Movie seemed a little unbalanced.
How? It simply showed the culture behind fundamentalist Christianity. Every aspect of these kids lives has been wrapped around the Bible and Jesus.

Jesus camp was one of the most disturbing things I have seen in the last few years.

It was like a corporate meeting where everyone uses buzzwords and seems disconnected from the real world, except here it was children. I don't think what was happening there is that common, but it was abuse. I really feel like those children were being emotionally abused. Scared, shocked, and placed under extreme group pressure to speak about things there were not really old enough to even understand. Whipping them up in emotion and then throw a lot of ideas at them and encouraging them to channel God when they are half in a panic.

I saw very little real understanding on the adults' side of what is appropriate in relation to children at different ages or how to talk to a child like they were a human being.
Much as it was disturbing to watch the 'best' little preacher boy, he had some skill and was definitely enthusiastic. When he meets the big, famous preacher at the end, this man clearly has not idea how to encourage child or talk to a child at all.

It was like you dropped 20 kids at a frat party and everyone at the party treated the kids like they were adults.

Wasn't the big, famous preacher the one caught doing meth with a male prostitute? Ted Haggard?

I watched this a while back. I found it disturbing, to say the least.

But if you want REALLY DISTURBING PJdude....Watch Deliver us from Evil.

I watched this a while back. I found it disturbing, to say the least.

But if you want REALLY DISTURBING PJdude....Watch Deliver us from Evil.

does it come in book form?

I don't know, why? You don't want to watch the video?

Jesus Saves.

Credit cards are anti-Jesus.

Ban credit cards :mad:

I don't know, why? You don't want to watch the video?

given a choice i would rather read about something than watch a movie about it

Deliver us from Evil was totally biased against Christians.

Deliver us from Evil was totally biased against Christians.

how so?

Whatever nik

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I made a thread in the Religion forum Deliver us from Evil.

But here is the link to check it out, watch part of the video there pj.

k try again.

http://www.deliverusfromevilthemovie.com/index_flash.php

I havent seen the movie.

But I'd be interested to know how Jesus is portrayed to these kids by the leadership.

Is it the sunday school hippie Jesus...who loves everybody?

Or is it the biblical Jesus...who spent most of his time condemning the vast majority of humanity?

Biblical. Totally.

The saddest part is these kids are all excited about their summer camp with their friends, and then the opening ceremony starts, and the bitch goddess comes out and goes on and on about how all they are sinners and some of the kids start crying. Break 'em down then build them up, the KGB couldn't do any better.

Biblical. Totally.

The saddest part is these kids are all excited about their summer camp with their friends, and then the opening ceremony starts, and the bitch goddess comes out and goes on and on about how all they are sinners and some of the kids start crying. Break 'em down then build them up, the KGB couldn't do any better.
Actually it's comparable to boot camp for soldiers in how they break them down in order to build them up. I'm not disagreeing with that particular system but it's generally frowned upon when you do the same to children.

Break 'em down then build them up, the KGB couldn't do any better.
Also used by pimps...the hot and cold treatment.

There is no need of salvation unless one is certain of damnation.

Wasn't the big, famous preacher the one caught doing meth with a male prostitute? Ted Haggard? I don't think so, but I pray you are right. I have rarely experienced that much revulsion for someone.

Yes, meth snortin "power bottom" Haggard appeared in this film.

Yes, meth snortin "power bottom" Haggard appeared in this film.
Is this the same Ted Haggard?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBC5L6cyq2Y

Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp

And this is the loon giving spiritual advice and guidance to the president every week????????? :eek:

Not surprised. Bush's policies are mostly based on faith, rather than facts.

Not surprised. Bush's policies are mostly based on faith, rather than facts.

GASP! How very Un-American for you to say so!
;)

There is something of an embedded contradiction in sending innocent children to Christian Camps.

Not having had the opportunity to sin a great deal, why would they much care about a Religion that primarily worries about Forgiveness of Sin.

So, to make their point, these Camps indoctrinate these kids with the notion that they are INHERENTLY EVIL. They are taught ORIGINAL SIN. They are made to believe that whether they had ever sinned or not, it is only a matter of time.

Is this positive?

Then there is problem of having all these kids being told that they can resort to a Religious Mechanism for allaying all guilt and moral responsibility. The Christain Doctrine of Salvation is mostly Satanic for those who appreciate it. After all, who benefits most from the Forgiveness of Sins than Satan. Yes, the simple-minded and stupid kids will never put 2 and 2 together to discern that Christain Salvation amounts a Licence to Sin, but the kids who are clever enough to do any damage, they will figure it out.

Its the History of Protestantism, isn't it. What IS Protestantism but the application of Sin for Profit? and it is Christian Salvation that makes this Sin Forgiveable.

Do we really need to send our Kids to Camps so they can be instructed in Excuses for being Evil?

Not surprised. Bush's policies are mostly based on faith, rather than facts.

No, this is not taking this administration seriously. They know what they are doing. They lies about their reasons. But I see them accomplishing their goals in the real world. There are many advantages to the long term problems they are having in Iraq. More money is transferred from taxpayers to corporate friends, for example. A continuous military presence. And they can dump a mess on a Democratic president, at worst.

They are dealing with facts. They are just not saying them.

Dear Grantywanty,

yes, you do have a point. The Republicans say that the Government is the Enemy when they are not in Office, and when they get into office, without saying so directly, they ACT in every way to sabotage and ruin Government.

Reagon before him and now Little Baby Bush probably think they are doing the World a favor by destroying their Government.

But it should really be treated as treason.

Dear Grantywanty,

yes, you do have a point. The Republicans say that the Government is the Enemy when they are not in Office, and when they get into office, without saying so directly, they ACT in every way to sabotage and ruin Government.

Reagon before him and now Little Baby Bush probably think they are doing the World a favor by destroying their Government.

But it should really be treated as treason.

I agree.
If we think of them as bumpkins diconnected from reality we are not noticing how effective they are. Goals are being achieved. Reagan is seeping into all of Europe's systems even after his death. They say silly things based on bs. They do that because it works. It passes muster as a tool.

Then there is problem of having all these kids being told that they can resort to a Religious Mechanism for allaying all guilt and moral responsibility. The Christain Doctrine of Salvation is mostly Satanic for those who appreciate it. After all, who benefits most from the Forgiveness of Sins than Satan.
Forgiveness through the miracle of blood sacrifice.

I've always asked Christians...'why do you WANT someone else to suffer for YOUR transgressions?'

Because Jesus is like GI Joe going into battle to save you from evil. The self sacrifice and heroics are awe inspiring. How could people not love and revere him?

Because Jesus is like GI Joe going into battle to save you from evil. The self sacrifice and heroics are awe inspiring. How could people not love and revere him?
Wheres the heroic self sacrifice?

"My God...why have you forsaken me?"

Do you love and revere someone by worshiping his crucification???

Jesus died so man's tarnished soul could get into heaven. He died for us. He died in great pain and agony. Heroic self sacrifice.

Jesus died so man's tarnished soul could get into heaven. He died for us. He died in great pain and agony. Heroic self sacrifice.
Says who? Thats Paul's idea...which wasnt even established as an official pillar of catholicism until many centuries later when it became the 'doctrine of atonement'.

Jesus himself never said any such thing.

And its clear from his last words that he was expecting God to save him from the cross.

Says who? Thats Paul's idea...which wasnt even established as an official pillar of catholicism until many centuries later when it became the 'doctrine of atonement'.

Jesus himself never said any such thing.

And its clear from his last words that he was expecting God to save him from the cross.


Say's who?? Says every dang church I have ever been in. :confused: Every one. Every bible camp, every youth group, every bible study...Everything!
He was expecting God to take him, not let it drag on and on.

Say's who?? Says every dang church I have ever been in. :confused: Every one. Every bible camp, every youth group, every bible study...Everything!
Right...everyone except Jesus! :eek:

Right...everyone except Jesus! :eek:

LOL, and what does that have to do with religion? :rolleyes:

LOL, and what does that have to do with religion? :rolleyes:
It depends on whether you think Christ should have anything to do with Christianity?

It depends on whether you think Christ should have anything to do with Christianity?

Without Christ, there would be no Christianity. But the words of Jesus have very little do with with it all, then or now.

Hey guys! Lets I know how to beat the damn satanist Muslims (yes christens think this, and its very dangerous) lets OUT fanaticism them. Lets beat them by becoming Fundamental Fucktards! It'll work, trust me, god tells me stuff in my head!
:worship:
/sarcasm

Now that I'm done with that rant....
Children need to be out playing and having fun, not worrying about saving there souls, even reasonable Christens should understand this. We are creating mindless slaves that will never amount to anything besides an angry preacher or a child molesting priest (I over exaggerate ) Lets instead of corrupting there minds as soon as we can, let them view the world, and let them make up their own mind. We will create a place of greater tolerance and a people of greater enlightenment and brightness that this nation, no this Earth needs.
:D

I have more faith in these kids than you. They are far from mindless slaves, they are sincere, sensitive, and creative people who's talents are being wasted. I do not agree that their path is set in life.

How then, let them selfs find a conflict in there own beliefs? (If they can)

....I do not agree that their path is set in life.


LOL, you are so right. When you get to the rebellious teens, this is what most of them rebel against. Just as a p/k.

Jesus camp?

No... moar like Jesus' Kampf: http://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler/dp/817224164X/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213550292&sr=1-2

I saw this film and found it really disturbing. Especially when it shows how the kids are homeschooled and the parents completely warp the science curriculum so that it is a bunch of propaganda for the Christian church. Scary. These kids are so sheltered that they can't even make informed decisions for themselves on whether they want to believe in Christ or not. And when they get so riled up and agitated by the adults they're actually collapsing and speaking in tongues??? WTF! These are CHILDREN...not God's Warriors or whatever the hell they call them. I think everyone has a right to their own religious beliefs and freedoms...but what these people are doing to these children is taking away that right.

Jesus is about good deeds, wise choices and open love. I think he would be appalled if he saw people worshiping his name and not his sacrifice. Worshiping his face and not his good deeds. There is a difference between worship and idolizing. "Idol" implies mindless love of images. True worship implies following the good example of all great teachers. Of course, it is one thing to claim such, it is another to do such.

Advise and do.

Of course, believing in Jesus does not mean we can just shamelessly do evil and expect to be saved, it means to do good as much as you know how, then Jesus will "put your soul in the bleach."