if there is nothing then life is nothing,if life is nothing then its birth is nothing if birth is nothing then its end is nothing then who ends it that is nothing, nothing gives birth to everything and evrything is nothing.

Hi imimim, i got your PM, and welcome to forum.

I think suicide is not a responsible act, and life is NOT nothing. There is a purpose for us to life.

Btw, based on what do you think there is nothing, and life is nothing?

Hi
i tend to dissagree if life is that terible (and i mean this as the oppinon of the person in question, NOT anyone around them) what right do we have to force them to continue it. i mean if u can quit a job or whatever just because u hate it why not life.

I belive life is a gift but if u don't want it anymore why shouldn't u take it back

Hmmm.

To the best of my knowledge, only our species commits suicide;

Since we only use the term 'civilized' with regard to our species;

Therefore, suicide must be a 'civilized act'!

Although, considering how many horrendous acts our species is capable of,
I have to wonder if that's a plus.

Take care ;)

Originally posted by Chagur
Hmmm.
To the best of my knowledge, only our species commits suicide;
...

Honey bee dead after it stink on something. Night insects come to the light/fire and then dead fried. Mother spider let herself eaten by their babies. Etc, etc...

Is it suicide or kamikaze? :D

Dosen't that just prove its not "EVIL" then

suicide is self expression.

Posted by Chagur
"To the best of my knowledge, only our species commits suicide."


I think there is a bird possibly indigenous to australia called the thorn bird. It is a silent bird until the end of its life when it impales itself on a long thorn and sings for the first and last time.

Also I know of a goose (Either the grey necked or ring necked)which is mongamous and on the death of its partner will fly around it in a circle until it too dies.

Of course we'll never know if they choose to do so or whether instinct takes over and maybe our ideas of the reasons why are a little romanticised.

But aah! :(

For the record As a nurse I've been involved in prolonging the suffering of many people in the name of compassion and I'm all for suicide and euthanasia. There is a time when you know there is no hope

Live long as you want to :D

Guess suicide is a civilised act yes. Typical human. The human race has civilised itself...It's a miracle! :rolleyes:

You people forgot about the Lemmings in Norway, I believe it is, who throw themselves in the Seas, by millions and millions at a time.

Suicide is a deed of cowardness in any case. Life has not been given to you to just let go if things go 'bad'. You can run from life into suicide and then deal with the consequences when you come back, in another life. Everything comes back to you, one way or another.

Euthanasia is a different matter. I've seen people who were kept alive artificial, while they would be better of dead.

In stead of comitting suicide, people better learn to look at the good things life brings or brought to them, not only the bad things. For the good things are mostly the first forgotten...

Originally posted by Chagur
Hmmm.

To the best of my knowledge, only our species commits suicide;

Since we only use the term 'civilized' with regard to our species;

Therefore, suicide must be a 'civilized act'!

Although, considering how many horrendous acts our species is capable of,
I have to wonder if that's a plus.

Take care ;)

Would this make murder, rape and genocide civilized as well?

I surpose you have had a good life. Have you ever felt despair. Have you ever felt despair so total it seems to draw all the light out of the world. Once the world is empty it isn't a choice between courage and weekness, its only a choice between freedom and the despair that has consumed you. You say to rember the good times but to someone that depressed there is No good times. It is not a choice to be their they just are, it took something from outside me to bring me back. If my girlfriend hadn't found me then i would have been dead. She is the only thing that saved me.

I do have a very good life nw, at home, at work, in all fields.
But I have known the dark times. Only my partner at the time wasn't my salvation, but almost my undoing.
I was at a stage of life where I didn't want to come home from work. I prefered to stay on the bus than return to my own home. I have seen the black bleakness of despair. I have known depression. I know not of your previous troubles, but please do not presume that I have no appreciation of the road to suicide. Codydramol gives you a severe headache.

*I surpose you have had a good life. Have you ever felt despair. Have you ever felt despair so total it seems to draw all the light out of the world. Once the world is empty it isn't a choice between courage and weekness, its only a choice between freedom and the despair that has consumed you. You say to rember the good times but to someone that depressed there is No good times.*

Believe me, I know what despair is. Very, very well. I've had more then my share of the darkside of life. There were times in my life all the light had faded away. It is certainly not easy and I know that. Somehow I climbed out of my darkness and despair and slowly the light came back into my life.

And I did it alone, on my own. As I did til this day. I've always found my way alone. Guess I came out much stronger, just because I did make it on my own. :confused: There is something to say for that you know...

I learned to remember the good times and keep on going, even in the darkest days, remember there is always a little sunshine peering through...

Civil death, the separation of a man from civil society, or the debarring him from the enjoyment of civil rights, as by banishment, attainder, abjuration of the realm, entering a monastery, etc. --Blackstone.

What society condones suicide?

It isn't possible for suicide to be civil. Civility and suicide are diametrically opposed terms.

Originally posted by (Q)
What society condones suicide?Society in the United States appears to be trending in that direction with the "death with dignity" push that many are advocating.

Peace.

originally posted by (Q)
What society condones suicide?

I believe certain american indian tribes would send the old and infirm out into the snow to die as their usefulness in society had been exhausted.
Doesn't this constitute the acceptance of suicide ?

I believe certain american indian tribes would send the old and infirm out into the snow to die as their usefulness in society had been exhausted.
Doesn't this constitute the acceptance of suicide ?

No, that constitutes the acceptance of murder.

Sorry ESP it wasn't aimed at you it was aimed at Banshee and you are right Banshee i did make an asumption but i have herd that opinion before normally from someone who has never felt anything like it

So I make a genral appology to everone my post offended but i do NOT retract it because it is still the truth

I suppose you have a point.
Thing is, if it's an isolated incident I could go along with it. On the other hand it would appear to be an accepted part of that culture that continued for many generations. And this from a group of people respected for their views on society and the environment, right down to persoanal ethics and lasting philosophy.

Of course the great white hunter couldn't have that could he?

Thing is, he felt he had the right idea as well.

On the whole I don't think any society would condone such an act. It's just a pity that so many individuals within any society don't seem to give a shit enough to change things.

Suicide will always be with us. We should just be thankful that for the most part we can cope enough to find another option.

Peace

"Is suicide a civilised act?"

Yes, insofar as it is committed by the civilised. But I wonder how the word (and concept of) "civilised" has been able to hang on to its positive connotation for so long.

"..Civilized men arrived in the Pacific, armed with alcohol, syphilis, trousers, and the Bible" (Havelock Ellis)

Moral Judgement Warning:

For Suicide:

some might feel that they had no choice to refuse life when it was given to them, so for them suicide might mean "having a choice at last".

Against Suicide:

It is very unfair to those who stay behind. It's the ones who love you that will, inevitably, feel guilty (amongst other things).

To work out wether Suicide is civil or not, you have to term what suicide is and why it occurs.

Suicide is when someone imposes death upon themselves.

What reason's would a person do this, well there is the fact that some have stated that some people who are hospitalised get to the point were there body degenerates beyond the capacity to either look after itself, or even to the point of being reliant upon machines to breath etc.

There are some suicides that occur due to Depression, these don't have to happen, the person can still exist, but is just lacking something from the world. In usual cases most of these are "Attempted suicides" as the person is caught in the nick of time, and it's percieved as an expression for help.

[No matter how depressed a person is one day, they shouldn't take it upon themselves to commit suicide, as the next day might have bring the answers they sought.]

There is suicides that just occur because o the above, but the reason is that something has occured and they see no solution to get out. For instance they are caught for 3 years tax evasion and don't have the money to pay because of their villa in the south of France.

These people are just after Escape.

The way I perceive it there are two types of suicide, one that could be justified when endurance is plagued with infermity, and the other type being the COWARDS way out.

Re. "What society condones suicide? "

Ancient Japan ..... Hara-kiri (Samurai warriors)

Modern Japan ..... Divine Wind (Kamikaze pilots)

Take care ;)

Originally posted by Chagur
Re. "What society condones suicide? "

Ancient Japan ..... Hara-kiri (Samurai warriors)

Modern Japan ..... Divine Wind (Kamikaze pilots)

And, lest we forget the events of September 11. Not only condoned but deified.


originally posted by stryderunknown

[No matter how depressed a person is one day, they shouldn't take it upon themselves to commit suicide, as the next day might have bring the answers they sought.]

I think you could put this quote in a nutshell by saying there is always hope.
By definition a person suffering the effects of depression has no hope. None! There are good days when moving forward is a possibility. There are manic days when a laugh is just as possible as smashing up a room. There is, however, no hope.

Try to remember the most bored you've ever been.
Now try to remember the exact moment you discovered you were so bored.
Now imagine that moment in a loop, a time loop that never goes away, that never changes always there is no hope of improvement.

We on the outside can see there is a better way.

I've been on the inside and nothing anyone could say could improve my mood as much as I desparately wanted it to.

That's depression There is no hope!

All of you who've been there know I speak the truth. Those who haven't... I pray you never do.

Peace

Chagur

Re. "What society condones suicide? "

Ancient Japan ..... Hara-kiri (Samurai warriors)

Modern Japan ..... Divine Wind (Kamikaze pilots)

Suicide is NOT condoned in Japan.

THAN (Q)
FOR THAT THOUGHT PROVOKING RESPONSE:confused: :rolleyes:

Re. "And, lest we forget the events of September 11. Not only condoned but deified."

I don't know about 'deified'. but definitely celebrated in many parts of the
world ... like places where suicide bombers, male and female, are martyred.

Take care ;)

bbcboy what you said is so true (its what i was trying to say before but i couldn't find the words to describe it like you could)

*By definition a person suffering the effects of depression has no hope. None! There are good days when moving forward is a possibility. There are manic days when a laugh is just as possible as smashing up a room. There is, however, no hope.*

I agree! I climbed out by myself in several of those cases and came out stronger every time..!

So, I learned it the hard way! Do I need to be more specific guys? Go into detail and so on? Or do you get the message finally?

Start imagine parents, posessed by god, been thrown in the complete dark cellar with the door locked, for a long time, every day and from the age of 4...:confused:

Asguard
Welcome back to the land of the living. Your girlfriend desrves a medal for perseverance. I know how much hard work we can be.

Peace my friend

Banshee
If you get any stronger you'll be superwoman :D

Hey, I heard that a deer, if it is caught in a trap or bleeding to death, can stop his own heart. Does anyone know of this?

Okay, back to suicide, it is a civilised act. It is a concious and well thought out act. I completely understand why people do it, I have actually tried it before, thank god I didnt succeed. My situation got better, some people's dont. But it is a selfish thing to do. You have to think about what your leaving behind.

And Banshee, I understand how you feel, but there is hope. There is always hope:)

Groove on:cool:

If you're just a little pissed off sometime, there is a time when you'll feel better. Of course there is!!
I refer you to my post above..
We're not gonna start up again are we? :D

BBC
So, Im taking that you've never heard of the deer thing?:D

Try as I may I just can't sit thru Bambi.

It's just too sad !!!!!!!!

:(

BBC

Your a friggin crack up:D

BUT... Im not talking about when someone is just caught up in the heat of the moment, those are usually when people are drunk or something. But I know of people that did take their own life and it was something that they had talked about and it seemed like they had planned it. They werent psychos, they were normal CIVILIZED people, therefore, they were making CIVILIZED choices.


Groove out

Not sure about the worldwide fame of this man.
Who hasn't heard of Kenneth Williams.
Very, very famous british comedy/serious actor, most recognised for the 'Carry on' films (Typical british bawdy humour).

Anyhoo. I read his diaries some time ago which span sum 40+ years and it seems that in all of that time there wasn't a week went by he didn't speak of suicide and eventually did take his own life with an overdose of barbiturates.

He was not a happy homosexual and he was also obsessed with his bowels. Go figure. Does anyone think people could be genetically pre-disposed to suicide? Just a thought.

Another facinating fact. A Large percentage of suicide victims are found having been listening to Phil Collins.
When will this man shut the fuck up?

Does anyone think people could be genetically
pre-disposed to suicide?

I think a person could be genetically pre-disposed to depression, which leads to suicide. Alot of suicides are from young adults/teenagers and I think at this time, you dont know what the hell your thinking.

And your joking about the Phil Collins thing, right?:D

Oh, and how the hell do you use the coloring on these texts?????:confused:

I don't know about genetically pre-disposed, but I definatly believe that a person can be "situationally" pre-disposed. If someone close, especially family members, commit suicide that could lead to a person wanting to kill themselves so they can be with their loved one again. Did that make any sense?? Happened to a friend of mine :(
~Aphrodite~

Aphrodite, that I recognize. :) Same happened to some close friends of mine. They were not family, I considred them as family.

One of them commited suicide, the other one followed...just three days later. It leaves you behind with an immense feeling of sadness and despair. :(

Civilised? Guess it is this so called human civilisation which brings some people to commit suicide, because of the civilisation! The human race has civilised itself...It's a fucking miracle...!!:rolleyes:

Don't we all LOVE sociaty

Nobody knows where you are, how near or how far
Shine on you crazy diamond
Pile on many more layers and I'll be joining you there
Shine on you crazy diamond
And we'll bask in the shadow of yesterday's triumph
And sail on the steel breeze
Come on you boychild, you winner and loser,
Come on you miner for truth and delusion, and Shine.!!! - quote by Pink Floyd...

Banshee,
I know those words so well and seeing them written down gives me goose bumps! I send love to you!.

*stRgrL*
The color thing's easy I'll send you a PM right now, Oh and by the way The Phil Collins fact is fact as a matter of fact. I quite like him but then as I've said before I'm mentally unstable


Big lurve

Thanx Bbcboy. I send a lot of love back to you... ;)

Banshhe...
Quite peculiar. As I read your floyd quote (and burn my breakfast) I am listening to Shine On on Echoes.

On the civility of suicide.

It comes down to the individuals perception of taking one's own life. Is it murder? Is the cessation of any life by anyone murder?

If not then suicide could, I suppose, be civilized.

If, as most believe, suicide is murder, then a civilized society cannot condone it.




There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ship smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying.
...I have become comfortably numb.

There you go. With that quote you precisely express what happens when someone is depressed and under influence of medication. Someone who is losing contact with his/herself, surrounding and loved ones. Someone completely lonesome...

It is no excuse for taking your own life. Never!

Life comes through in waves also. You get your good and your 'numb' periods in life. Up to you to handle this. In the right way, not by giving up on life.

It's society and civilization that make humans lonesome and desperate. Humans should have more consideration with eachother. Be less cold and more interested! Have more heart, so to say. Civilized anti-depression medication only makes humans drift away farther and more desperate in the end.

Believe me, I know where I am coming from. I've had those desperate time periods in life and have thought about taking my own life. Seriously thought about it! I am painfully aware of the cold and loneliness inside and will never forget that feeling...

Guess my life and way of feeling or whatever, helped me through anyway. Don't know how to explain it. It happened to me, several times...

I know i feel there is no good reason to take your own life NOW.

I felt nothing like that then. I felt depressed, and isolated and i would have given ANYTHING for the world to go away. I could talk to my friend but there was nothing he could do to pull me back, he could only sit and watch as i sliped deeper and deeper. It started out that i would just pray that God would kill me. This went on for months and months before i sank even deeper into depression. One day i was sitting in my room thinking about what it would be like to die when i suddenly when looking for my poket knife. I gess God wanted me alive because i couldn't find it all i could find was a compass. I tried to slice my wrists with it but it was to small. So if not for luck (or God) i wouldn't be here at all.

Guess you're right Asguard. Something stands between the suicide and you in such a moment. Call it god or the Cosmos.

The fact that you didn't succeed in it and I didn't succeed in it, was because the opportunity was interrupted. Not the right tool, a friend who comes by at that particular moment.

I just went to sleep, with a high dose of sleeping pills and something even more bad, in my blood. To not wake up any more. Well, I woke up anyway. Was not happy with it at the moment, didn't want to do it again also.

There are people who do succeed and it's a shame it has to happen.

So love yourself every day, for you are worth it, your life is worth living it and you are important. As every human is. Nobody is on Earth without a reason...

So far as I know, the only species OTHER than man that committs suicide are lemmings, small scandinavian rodent (and only when they begin to severely impact their environment, ie: too little food...).

As to addressing thequestion from our posers point of view, it is NOTHING.

IF you have been diagnosed with COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease--or any other terminal disease), have slowly degenerated over a decade until you require oxygen on a constant basis, and then take an airplane ride and "catch a cold" because the airlines are TOO cheap to put in a machine that would cost 90 cents a passenger/yr, which confines you to bed for the REST of what remains of your life, after having lead a very phyiscally active life, then, yes, I consider, rational, considered, responsible suicide, HIGHLY civilized.

For the Attorney General to dictate states rights (by threatening to remove perscriptive rights of phyisicians) based on his particular brand of hypocritical morality, as John Ashcorft did in Oregon last fall, I find it disgusting as well as a willful violation of the separation of church and state (his particular brand of morality being based on hypocritical protestantism, in which he illegally compells his staff to participate in daily prayer meetings).

Now for a depressed psychotic teenager (most are do to hormone imbalances, actually) to do it mostly due to parental neglect, and boredom, this I find to be a WASTE, but I find the similarity between lemmings and most humans growing greater as I grow older.

The Lemmings are already mentioned, in a former post in this thread. You see a similarity between Lemmings and humans? How? Should humans go and dive into the Seas every so often?

Yeah, it is a thought! It would sure bring the population of humankind in perspective. There are much to many humans walking down on this Earth. ;)

I don't have a thing to do with the church, it is the mentality of things like godbelieving and other so called civilized institutions that drive humans to suicide, by forcing their opinion to them. I have to say I really hate it.

As far as the diseases go, you are talking about. Then it becomes a whole different issue. Humans who have to live like that, should have a choice if they want to go on living or want to stop their lifes. Guess that is something else! Not the original suicide thoughts of healthy humans who have difficulties with their lifes at the moment, caused by depression which are related to the institutions like church, parenthood and others who have an effect on their getting so depressed and desperate that they are willing to die because of it.

You have good points there Mrk...:)

I suspect that if anti-aging research achieves its objectives and provides us with the ability to live indefinitely then I suspect that suicide will become the most common form of death.

Is this civilized? Yes I think so since it represents the ultimate act of freedom that an individual can assert.

Cris

Anti-aging and live forever is certainly an 'amusing' invention of this 'civilized' society yes. If you call it civilized in that perspective, guess you are right.

Ridiculous! Freedom??? What kind of freedom is this??? Artificial freedom!!!

Isn't there enough artificial garbage in this society already? Human bodies are loaded with modified, artificial garbage now-a-days. All the Inner Senses disappear because of it. You think that is good?

It is un-natural.

Guess I don't even want to live in such a 'civilization'. Humanity gets numb yes, then. And then it becomes reality: No thoughts to think, no feelings left, no tears to cry...

How civilized! The great inventors better find something to save humans from starvation and stop warfare in stead of inventing a pill to live forever.

Who wants to live forever... :confused: ( reminds me of the movie Highlander)

Thank you Banshee

As to MRK i object to you asuming you know my mind and body. My parents have VERY little to do with me trying to kill myself, infact there only problem was being to blind to realise i was depressed. They are loving and care for me deeply. As to your dismisal of me as a hormone riddled teanager i ask you "were you ever there? did it cause you to try to die?" if the answer is NO then i gess i must have other reasons musn't I. Please DON'T comment on my life without Knowledge of me. It offends me greatly.

hi all the contrbutors, being this thread starter i request all to read the thread start message and review ur thoughts and then please send to me or to this thread.

I don't think life is nothing (at least not now) but then death isn't as important as everyone thinks either its just a natural progression from life. I think this anwers your statement.

Suicide is a civilised act in this civilization! It's this civilization, or society, which brings humans to commit suicide.

Death belongs to life, it is the Natural end of a life-time. Even if it comes unexpected like in a traffic accident.

Life is valuable. You have to try to make it worthwhile. So Love yourself and others as much as yourself and don't let others drive you 'insane', so to say.

Guess that's easier said then done... :confused:

It's not easy, banging your heart against some mad buggers wall!!

So true Banshee

id just like to add that if you consider our socaity civilised then yes it must be because youth suicide (the one that effcts me the most but i think the other rates are the same) rate is increasing every year

Dont we love our socaity our youth (me included) want to get out as early as we can

originally posted by Banshee
Suicide is a civilised act in this civilization! It's this civilization, or society, which brings humans to commit suicide.

I disagree.

A big part of the causes and run up to suicide is the reduction of oneself to a basic form inside.
The incidents which push one to suicide also affect the human mind to the point where feelings, actions, causality and consideration are muted.
This removes the mind making the decision on suicide from he 'civilised' aspect of humanity.
(Broadly speaking, of course. There may be individual instances where this mechanism is not the case).

PAL

Yes, I have to admit you make a good point here. Thinking about what you say, you are right. Can say nothing more then simply. you are right.

Totally overlooked that state of mind which can turn to such despair and pain on its own without influence from this so called civilization.

I still keep the feeling that it can be changed, if only we would take more care of our fellow-humans and pay more attention to their feelings. Perhaps that's a personal feeling. Can't put my finger on it exactly...

posted by Banshee
I still keep the feeling that it can be changed, if only we would take more care of our fellow-humans and pay more attention to their feelings. Perhaps that's a personal feeling. Can't put my finger on it exactly...


I think I know what you mean.
The problem for the affected individual is that no matter how empathic his peers are, they can't seem to make a difference.

Everyone around wants to make some improvement in the life of the one who is suffering. My thing is that they are suffering because those people can't make that difference. The lines are down and the connection can't get thru.
Does that make sense?
When I have black days they seem to be very selfish and if those around me don't act in a certain, definite way I just want them out of my face. It makes life very difficult for the people around me. I see it happening and I just feel like I can't do anything to stop it, as much as I want to and so the loop of frustration continues.

It gets right on my tits:mad:

Yes, there you are right.

On dark days and being in a bad mood, I just say so and everybody keeps their distance. I am not reasonable if I really get dark.

Try to be as friendly as possible, it doesn't work out al the time though...

if there is nothing then life is nothing,if life is nothing then its birth is nothing if birth is nothing then its end is nothing then who ends it that is nothing, nothing gives birth to everything and evrything is nothing.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

... nothing gives birth to everything and everything is nothing...
That's right... but that's a whole new thread... ;)

is suicide a civilised act?

Hummm... It depends of your concept of what is civilised...
Eventhough you have the decision of suicide, what is literally civilised, who said that civilisation is a good thing? We think a buch of bad things for us... it's civilised... but I don't know why we think of them if we are "intelligent"...
...Or at least we were suposed to be...

If civilised, for you, is organization... or what's better for you... then I guess it's not civilised...

Love,
Nelson

Well i don't know if its a civilised act but it is caused by CIVILISATION. How bad is a sociaty where its youth want to kill themselves.

I am trying to find some statistics and will post them when i can (also on the "Black post" thread)

for now i have found this site
http://www.yspep.org/youth.html

Its strange the people on this thread are more empathic that the people posting on the "Black post" thread

Well here is some country statistics

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/insuicid.htm

Here is some year by year stats from NZ

http://www.nzhis.govt.nz/stats/youthsuicide.html

this data is a little outdated but it shows the trend (sorry couldn't find anything more up to date)

http://www.health.vic.gov.au/mentalhealth/publications/suicide/exsum10.htm

It's to tragic for words...:(

Yes it is

I personally know 2 kids that did it while we were at school. I almost did it. My cousin almost did it and i have at least 2 other friends that almost did it.

That is just a look at the validity of those stats

Thats just that i know of there could be others who never told me

I almost did it sometimes too.

I remember one day that I was really depressed and I was crossing the street. Suddenly, I saw a bus coming in my direction. I had about 1 second to decide wheter I live or not.
A voice inside me said: No! I promise you'll soon have a good time!
Than I get out of the way of the bus. I could feel the bus passing only a few milimeters in my back. That was reeeeally close...

It's not easy to Love like I do...
People don't understand... :(

Love,
Nelson

i use to go past this crossing everyday and i wouldn't look before i went across. i would always hope to get hit by a train but for some reason when i was there the trains never ran nomatter what time it was

So what's wrong with this civilization that so much young people want to kill themselves? To much hatred going on, to less people who care and really listen to eachother. Too selfish behaviour. Young people are getting confused and lonesome, because there's nobody they can rely on. I hate this!

People are developing their lifes, exploring all the feelings going on inside of them and are easily catched in their own misery. No one to help them out there...Loneliness remains, even if they are not really alone. Difficult to write down what I really mean here...

It migh be hard to write but i think you maybe on the right track. (im not writing this for sympathy just to show some of what can cause it)

For me (some of this sounds really stupid even to ME) it was:
I couldn't find a Girlfriend nomater what i did (this sounds stupid but i admit it was a BIG part of it)

I had very few friends (the ones i have are REALLY good but i only have a couple)

and i couldn't get a job at all (when i finaly did get one i have a Really bad bos who keeps saying hes going to fire me)

So my whole life sucked

my social life sucked, my love life wasn't existant and work just depressed me more.

It only really changed when i met my Girlfriend. My job still sucks but im looking for a new one and i realised i would rather have a few true friends than a lot of fake ones. So my Girlfriend saved me.


You all probably think im stupid now but thats just the main things that effected me enough to try to die

Banshee,

People are developing their lifes, exploring all the feelings going on inside of them and are easily catched in their own misery. No one to help them out there...Loneliness remains, even if they are not really alone. Difficult to write down what I really mean here...

It's easy to understand if you FEEL it... :(

Asguard,

I couldn't find a Girlfriend nomater what i did (this sounds stupid but i admit it was a BIG part of it)

In my case I guess it's ALL of it!!

I had very few friends (the ones i have are REALLY good but i only have a couple)

Yup...!

my social life sucked, my love life wasn't existant and work just depressed me more

Yup!!

t only really changed when i met my Girlfriend.

I would kill myself right now if I didn't Loved myself... :(

Love,
Nelson

Oh, I do feel it very well. It's the putting the feelings into words what matters in my case. Guess I feel it pretty well, I've been there, more then once. Case is you people understand what I mean...:)

I have never opened up about this to anyone but my girlfriend. You people are so understanding
thank you

I just reallised this moring that i was wrong. I thought i was over being depressed but i was really wrong. Its not as bad as it was now i have my Girlfriend but its still there

Asguard,

I can give all that I have and all the blessings God will give to me ONLY to be with the girl I Love.

You are one of the luckiest people I've ever met.

Love,
Nelson

I know thats kind of what scares me. What if she goes away. If im still like this with her here what will i be like if i lose her

Asguard,

Don't worry. Let her be free. I'll give you some advices:

Ten Rules for a Long Lating Relationship:

1.BE YOURSELF.
2.LET HER BE HERSELF.
3.Allways share your feelings with her. If she doesn't share with you, ask her to do so.
4.Allways respect her for who she is, and what she believes.
5.Know what's going on in her mind. Share ideas with her. Ask her to share ideas with you.
6.Don't hold her. Don't be attached. If you lose her up she will feel that you trust her, you have confidence in yourself, and she will be more comfortable.
7.Don't be afraid of making mistakes. Anyone is perfect. She'll forgive you if you do a mistake and apologize to her (in some cases, she will probably even forgive you without necessity of apology. But it is a good idea, anyways...)
8. Be a child again... :)
9. Love her... :)
10. Just live the present without worring about the future... :)

Love,
Nelson

PS: She taugh me this even though she doesn't know it. I would like very much that she would know what she is doing with me...

Love,
Nelson

Thank you (i was having some problems as i read your post and it cleared it up for me)

well i amost did it again last night

i was lying in bed gently running my chef's knife (which is VERY sharp) down my wrist thining how easy it would be. almost no pain, just sleep.

I don't know why i didn't do it, there didn't (and dosn't) seem any point to it all

why?

what is the point?

i have decided to go see the quack tomorow to get a referal to a shrink because xev and adam keep telling me i should but *shrugs* i don't see what point there is to it all

i have decided to go see the quack tomorow to get a referal to a shrink because xev and adam keep telling me i should but *shrugs* i don't see what point there is to it all

Life sucks, big time. Believe me I know. BUT! I talk to you all the time on IM and in here, and you seem like one of the coolest persons I have ever got the pleasure of talking to. Where would the world be if the good people like you werent here? :)
I agree with Xev and Adam, you should see a shrink. I work with them and they ARE on your side. If anything, at least you'll get to talk your feelings out which is always a good thing. Let me know how it goes.

Take care:)

Asgaurd, suicide is not the answer to any questions, it is the elimiantion of the question.

If you want to talk about anything, myself and I'm sure many others are happy to talk on private message or over here. And yes, a therapist is a good idea.

Thank you star (and tyler)

i didn't end up going to see the quack today because he is still on holidays till thursday and i really don't want to talk about if with a doc i don't know

plus i have to see him about a lump thats been bothering me in my neck, thats my cover so my parents don't know what i am really going to see him for. After the way mum treated me when they found out i had ADD (like every arument was just the ADD and not because i actully HAD a problem with something) i chose not to get them in on this

i will go see him when he gets back

its nice to know that someone gives a dam

seems like no one in this world dose (except TI and my friend dan)

Thanks

As.

You thow how I feel regarding tis subject. I hope to talk to you more in depth of this.

Love ya!