Hello
I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society. This is refering to me because i feel a connection with only 10% of people where i live and im considered to be 'queer' because of my respect and love for poetry,art and music. Im also sensitive and dislike conforming to styles and views which exist currently. At least the styles in britian as i dont know what things are like in other countries. All of this is of course making me feel a little unhappy. So opinions would be nice. Thanks for reading and please dont mock.

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please dont mock.
You're too cocky. Anyway, everyone feels like that.

I'm on the outside looking in
- Leary

Psychoactives have played a large part in dissociating me from society

Meditation has as well, as I can easily see when people's egos are getting the most of them.

But intelligence? Nah... wait, hell yes it has. Its hard to talk to people who understand a tiny fraction of what you're talking about. A lot of the time I've got to bring myself down to their level just to get response.

Edit:

But once I think about it a little bit, explaining things as simple as possible for as many as possible to understand is a mark of intelligence. It's easier to explain things simple and efficient than to teach everyone encountered how to interpret complex ramblings.

And for a person to realize that and comply takes good reasoning and control over will power. Also marks an analytical thinker with interest in improvement.

There is a fundamental difference between a person that finds importance in that and one who doesn't. And whatever that is could also be called intelligence.

I notice the thinking gap I talked about before the Edit primarily in what people think about. I think about thinking, I meta-cognate all the time. I philosophize about life, what it means to be alive, and what intelligence is. Things that the people I'm referencing never once considered.

They seem delusional to the world around them, in a way resembling zombies. I can attribute a lot of these bad qualities with religion, unfortunately. One of the greatest questions "what is the meaning of life" can get shortchanged with a "to serve God." Look at the elasticity and structure of a spider web, instead of gasping at the awesomeness of evolution, religious will merely state "more proof in God's perfect design."

And religion isn't the only force working at oppressing intelligence. Society is imposing it by broadcasting addicting wastes of time on TV. Rappers are creating a reservation for hungry kids to come and snack on 100 word vocabularies... how do they expect kids to think without the words to make it happen? Well, a lot of things are inhibiting an overall boost in intelligence.

It's not the individual's fault, really. The religious, rapping environment is creating the zombies. It takes special sauce to get somebody out of society's grip, clear their slate, and teach them science. And those that have achieved that I'll dub intelligent.

As for the original question, the gap between zombies and scientists, it's absolutely inevitable. But if you are feeling like you don't fit in, don't know many people, it's probably not intelligence keeping you down. Maybe you get some sort of anxiety and decide to stay home? The easy way out is to say there's no fun to be had because I'm too smart for this crowd.

Even with average thinkers, there's an abundance of fun to have. What happens if you can't talk about Pluto being a planet? Make a lot of noise, tell a lot of jokes, flirt with woman, become a social animal. Trust me, anyone can do it. It's a matter of confidence, ultimately will power & reasoning and essentially intelligence.

There are desk-smarts, street-smarts, social-smarts etc. To the original poster: if someone calls you a queer, call them one back! You need to get into a fight at least once in your life or completely overcome your distaste with queerness now.

The sooner you start developing social-smarts the better. It's good to be multi-disciplined in your smarts. So I would go to a bar (or poetry club), sit down, and start improving yourself, even if it's some of the most psychologically scary things you will ever do.


Hmm I hope that wasn't all incoherent

diversity is always a good thing. in a place where everything is the same, something new will bring change. change occurs everywhere regardless of peopes' intentions. but if a group of people do not want to change, the changing world around them will soon catch up and turn their world upsidedown forcefully, sometimes violently. therefore, it is good for change or difference to occur (in small, spread out amounts) in a culture/area.

Grow a pair, join a footie team, get a job and buy a motorbike.
i feel a connection with only 10% of people where i live
As many as that, eh?

Well, I heard that kim-Ung Yong the genius grew up and murdered someone and ended up in prison. I'm sure it was an idiot prick.

He had an iq over 200, understood differential calculus, spoke 4-5 languages fluently, and wrote a 100 page book of poetry by the age of 4.

Now talk about feeling alone and misunderstood.

Its quite a sad story.

Well, I just looked it up in wiki and it doesn't mention it but maybe it was a rumor. The point is for his outstanding gift, he didn't seem to be interested in doing much with it. It doesn't really give much information.

Geez, wiki states that he was a guest physics student at a university from the age of 3 to 6??? A three-year old in a college physics class??! That would be something to see.

I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society.

Yes. Not only am I an outsider in society, I am an insider out society.

I congratulate you on being able to relate to as many sheeple as ten per cent. I can't even relate to ten, in absolute numbers.

jpeg87, what is intelligence?

I'm not sure I'm that intelligent, but I don't feel like I fit in.

What's the breadth of intelligence when it's being dissociated? Besides, who says intelligence requires people?

I'm not sure I'm that intelligent, but I don't feel like I fit in.

Presto.

Well, I heard that kim-Ung Yong the genius grew up and murdered someone and ended up in prison. I'm sure it was an idiot prick.

He had an iq over 200, understood differential calculus, spoke 4-5 languages fluently, and wrote a 100 page book of poetry by the age of 4.


What the fuck?! Is that a real person? He spoke 5 languages and understood calc. at 4? Is he still alive? Did he write any books?

From wiki:

Kim Ung-Yong (born March 7, 1963) is a Korean former child prodigy. He scored a 210 IQ on the Stanford-Binet test according to the Guinness Book of World Records. At five months he was able to walk and speak and at seven months he was able to write and play chess. He began to learn differential calculus at the age of three. He was able to read and write in Japanese, Korean, German, and English by his fourth birthday. At the age of four years on November 2, 1967, he solved complicated differential and integral calculus problems on Japanese television, demonstrated his proficiency in German, English, Japanese, and Korean, and composed poetry.

Kim was a guest student of physics at Hanyang University from the age of three until he was six. At the age of seven he was invited to the United States by NASA. He finished his university studies, eventually getting a Ph.D in physics at Colorado State University before he was 15. In 1974, during his university studies, he began his research work at NASA and continued this work until his return to Korea in 1978.

When he returned to Korea, his doctorate in physics and research work at NASA were considered worthless and he had to begin his studies again. He decided to switch from physics to civil engineering and eventually received a doctorate in that field. Kim was offered the chance to study at the most prestigious universities in Korea, but instead chose to attend a provincial university.

As of 2007 he has two children.
And here's my favourite bit repeated:
When he returned to Korea, his doctorate in physics and research work at NASA were considered worthless and he had to begin his studies again.
Heh. Those Koreans, eh.

What the fuck?! Is that a real person? He spoke 5 languages and understood calc. at 4? Is he still alive? Did he write any books?
Who gives a shit. See, that's the point about "intelligent" people.

Who gives a shit.
Me. Because that's crazy.
See, that's the point about "intelligent" people
They're also crazy? Looks like genetically I have an advantage in intelligence then.:)

Downplaying the old IQ numbers racket

Though Actress Judy Holliday specialized in playing dumb blondes, legend has it that she possessed a towering 172 IQ. Spiro Agnew says his is 135, which puts him well into the ranks of the intellectually superior. South Korea's Kim Ung-Yong, a 14-year-old prodigy who was speaking four languages and solving integral calculus problems at age four, is said to tip the mental scales at 210, worth a mention in the Guinness Book of World Records. Even Yankee Slugger Reggie Jackson brags as much about his IQ (he claims a 160) as his B.A. (his 1977 batting average was a solid .286).

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945865,00.html

Oh...14.

No, 43, according to Wikipedia.

Me. Because that's crazy.

They're also crazy? Looks like genetically I have an advantage in intelligence then.:)



No seriously: intelligence is appreciated. That. Is. All.

Otherwise, who cares whether my neighbor down the street is way more intelligent than my other neighbor up the street. I certainly don't.

But here's a thought, I bet both neighbors eye each other closely.

What's the breadth of intelligence when it's being dissociated?

This question disturbs me.

edit: If you dissociate intelligence, it ceases to have meaningful quality; so it ceases to have breadth. That is, beyond the breadth of the word, be that from letters 1 to 12 (assuming we're looking at it front on) or the extent to which ones lips distend in order to speak it, or the letters E and L (assuming qwerty keyboard) or the breadth of its sound before it passes beyond audible detection or...

Hello
I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society. This is refering to me because i feel a connection with only 10% of people where i live and im considered to be 'queer' because of my respect and love for poetry,art and music. Im also sensitive and dislike conforming to styles and views which exist currently. At least the styles in britian as i dont know what things are like in other countries. All of this is of course making me feel a little unhappy. So opinions would be nice. Thanks for reading and please dont mock.


Actually thats how it is for me too, and a lot of other intelligent people, and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation, race, or gender. If you are a free thinker, people won't be able to connect to you usually.

It's pretty amazing how not being interested in a subject or two makes things difficult.

Football (soccer) is the main one I've come across. I just don't care about football. Am I wrong to take that attitude? Should I consciously put an effort in to like it and to talk about it with other people, just for something to talk about? I don't thinkso, but sometimes it feels that way in certain groups.

Mention something slightly more sophisticated and you get blank stares or common sayings in response and then there's an awkward silence.

Maybe I'm just crap at making conversation? Probably :)

What's the breadth of intelligence when it's being dissociated?
This question disturbs me.

And at what point does one begin to segregate one's self from the world because of an ambiguous quality that relies on a bunch of cliches, like excellence, exceptionalism, merit? The very idea of segregation is to put up walls, right? Or to form cliques, which is much the same thing. Intelligence at that point will become stunted.

Besides, intelligence may be sexy, but that sex appeal will deflate rather quickly when it starts to crow. Lol.

Oh...

Well, your definition is distinctly different from mine.

See edit, prior post.

Mention something slightly more sophisticated and you get blank stares or common sayings in response and then there's an awkward silence.

Christ, I come across that a lot. But I can't attribute that to my being somehow more "intelligent" -- which is suppose to signify that I'm "better". Intelligence has nothing to do with being better or inferior -- it's a capacity.

But when all is said and done, let's just say that the rest bore me to tears, I won't seek out their company, I'll learn to play act if I must be stuck in their vicinity, and I'll leave it at that. To be intelligent also means to be cunning. But I won't segregate myself for no one's benefit. Right, Redarmy11?

If you dissociate intelligence, it ceases to have meaningful quality; so it ceases to have breadth.

Yes. But you can't dissociate intelligence without first disassociating the source of intelligence, right? And where does that come from? From one's self, of course. Imagine the psychosis of proclaiming yourself "better" than the rest. How can intelligence manifest with that hook in one's neck?

I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society.

Not me! I'm dumb enough that I fit right in with almost all of the dumb people in the society.

In fact, I feel quite proud that with my dumbness added, the general level of dumbness of society actually dropped considerably. See? I had quite an influence on my society ...have you?

Baron Max

I'm guilty of hijacking the thread/ignoring the topic for my own purposes; I don't care much about jpegs87 or why he/she can only relate to 10% of people in town.

Looking at it thoughtfully, the reasoning seems inherently stupid to me.. or it does, so long as I assume our ideas of intelligence are the same or similar. If it isn't, I can't contribute anything that will be accurate and so, useful to him/her.

Otherwise, why correlate intelligence with poetry, art, music and style? What have any of these personal preferences got to do with intelligence? If you don't like the people around you, why keep them around you? There are 6 billion people to choose from. If you do like them, but can't connect to them, who then is the unintelligent one?

The impression I get is one of using intelligence to subjectively elevate the self above the rest - in the absence of anything to elevate the self socially.. That is something you can do with any common, cliched prejudice.

It's pretty amazing how not being interested in a subject or two makes things difficult.

Football (soccer) is the main one I've come across. I just don't care about football. Am I wrong to take that attitude? Should I consciously put an effort in to like it and to talk about it with other people, just for something to talk about? I don't thinkso, but sometimes it feels that way in certain groups.

Mention something slightly more sophisticated and you get blank stares or common sayings in response and then there's an awkward silence.

Maybe I'm just crap at making conversation? Probably :)

It's a good idea to research football and pretend to like it so you can form friendships with people who like it. But you don't have to actually like it, it's just a social activity.

It's a good idea to research football and pretend to like it so you can form friendships with people who like it. But you don't have to actually like it, it's just a social activity.Wrong. I once had a sex companion who loved opera... and had a whole bunch of videos. Anyway, I hope this doesn't refer to my previous suggestion of being cunning -- to "play act"... To be cunning doesn't mean to deliberately step into the lion's den.

I'm guilty of hijacking the thread/ignoring the topic for my own purposes; I don't care much about jpegs87 or why he/she can only relate to 10% of people in town.Well, the thread was veering towards self-exaltation anyways...

Otherwise, why correlate intelligence with poetry, art, music and style? What have any of these personal preferences got to do with intelligence?Right; had Jpeg said "because I'm different"...

If you do like them, but can't connect to them, who then is the unintelligent one? And that happens when one closes one's mind to others simply because they don't conform... don't conform to what? a standard? a die? but whose? Must I abandon my friends because their intelligence doesn't fit into Jpeg's prerequisites for intelligence?

The impression I get is one of using intelligence to subjectively elevate the self above the rest - in the absence of anything to elevate the self socially.. That is something you can do with any common, cliched prejudice.What's disturbing is that this self-brainwashing technique actually works -- until it's put to the test.

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Happiness is not a factor of intelligence...

Right, Meanwhile. But this, I must insist, is both the first and the last time we'll agree on anything ever.

Only kidding.

Happiness is not a factor of intelligence...
But is intelligence a factor of happiness?

But is intelligence a factor of happiness?

no. There are other variables involved in deciding happiness...

I agree - intelligence being one of them, obviously. The only question is how big a part it plays. What are your thoughts on that?

I agree - intelligence being one of them, obviously. The only question is how big a part it plays. What are your thoughts on that?

To answer that...I first need to know the definition of happiness...happiness for individual-sole or happiness for individual in social sphere?

Reason I ask is...mathematicians who are beyond calculus and matrix equations...they are sole-happy...they see world in their own and are happy in their own...but does it qualify them as happy people?

What's disturbing is that this self-brainwashing technique actually works -- until it's put to the test.

It keeps working until the practioner can't kill/ignore or run/hide from anything/anyone that contradicts them. :)

Sometimes its pretty effective!

It's a good idea to research football and pretend to like it so you can form friendships with people who like it. But you don't have to actually like it, it's just a social activity.

So ye're actually suggesting, advising, people to lie to others in order to form "friendships"? What kind of friendships would those be ...exactly?

Baron Max

I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society. This is refering to me because i feel a connection with only 10% of people where i live and im considered to be 'queer' because of my respect and love for poetry,art and music.

Most people are morons, and they outvote you 9:1. You aren't going to win until you get rid of democracy.

'The impression I get is one of using intelligence to subjectively elevate the self above the rest - in the absence of anything to elevate the self socially.. That is something you can do with any common, cliched prejudice.'

So in a sense i should stop being so prejudiced and socially inept,stop complaining and attempt to find the good in all. Will that help me to progress both mentally and socially. I mean i have friends,large amounts of friends but by appreciating these people i can find love and contempment.

I also apologise for my naviety,i still i guess quite young.

'The impression I get is one of using intelligence to subjectively elevate the self above the rest - in the absence of anything to elevate the self socially.. That is something you can do with any common, cliched prejudice.'

So in a sense i should stop being so prejudiced and socially inept,stop complaining and attempt to find the good in all. Will that help me to progress both mentally and socially. I mean i have friends,large amounts of friends but by appreciating these people i can find love and contempment.

I also apologise for my naviety,i still i guess quite young.

just remember you exist in a subjective reality

I was wondering if anyone reading is so intelligent that they feel like an outsider in society.I never minded only having a few friends among the smart kids. If you get along with ten percent of the people around you you're doing a lot better than we were in the same situation fifty years ago.This is refering to me because i feel a connection with only 10% of people where i liveI hope you're still in high school and have a chance to go off to a good university because there will be a lot more people like you there. Eventually you'll start to notice that as a demographic they tend to have poorly developed social skills and can be extremely annoying. If you hang out with the ones who are better socialized they can teach you a lot about how to "connect" with more of the other folks around.and im considered to be 'queer' because of my respect and love for poetry,art and music.Again, you won't be stereotyped in a university where the arts are part of everyday life.Im also sensitive and dislike conforming to styles and views which exist currently. At least the styles in britian as i dont know what things are like in other countries.At least you don't live in the USA where Christianity is on the upswing and a lot of people still think Saddam had something to do with 9/11.All of this is of course making me feel a little unhappy.Again I hope you're an adolescent because in that case your experience would be fairly normal even if you weren't bright. As you get older you'll be able to understand both yourself and other people better and you'll start to find that there's more to life than understanding James Joyce and the theory of relativity.So opinions would be nice.My opinion is that you're just going through a stage of life that many of us went through. And that telling you that is just as useless as it was when people told me that. You have to have the strength to endure it, the patience to wait for it to end, and the wisdom to know how to make the most of it while you've got it. Go to symphony concerts, join a poetry chat room.Thanks for reading and please dont mock.As an earlier post said, a very rewarding calling for a person of high intelligence is teaching. I don't mean you have to stand in front of a room full of trapped kids who wish they were anywhere else. Just be someone who explains things to people who don't quite understand them. This requires good communication skills, so practice your speaking and writing.

Particularly your writing. Take it seriously. Don't be one of those annoying people whose time is too valuable to find the Shift key or the punctuation marks, so they make every single one of us stumble through sentences that are difficult to parse. A lot of people need help in their writing, and it's generally the intelligent people who are good at it.

I'm not what anyone would call a "teacher." I have a more prosaic job that pays the bills. But I do technical and corporate training whenever I can and I get a lot of goodwill from other people that way. Also from the folks here who appreciate me.

Helping people learn--as adults anyway, when their hormones have settled down and they begin to recognize the need for job skills--creates a new kind of relationship with them. Even though you both know you're smarter, they appreciate what you can do for them... and you will feel differently about people who aren't your intellectual equals when they respect you.

You can love your dog and have a good time with him. You can do the same with a child. They don't have to match your IQ in order for you to "connect" with them.

I stayed away from this one because i wasn't sure exactly where the poster was coming from.

In general, if you are more sensitive or smarter(nerd) you can be discriminated against because you are a minority.

People like to feel comfortable and anything that intrudes on their comfort zone, ego etc is intimidating. Unfortunately this is no excuse for attacks, isolating, or denigrating people. There are bullies everywhere and of every kind. Considering the average person is usually not interested in meaningful or sincere conversation, we all know that. Also the likelihood they are painfully shallow.

We know we can't go up to anyone and discuss the meaning of life with them.

But finding meaningful interaction is not just about someone's iq, its about the persons heart as well. Finding people who dance to the same beat as you are hard to find for a lot of people who don't genuinely fall into the mainstream. For example, atheists. For the average atheist, if you went randomly revealing it, you would be in trouble or at least not understood. You may be mocked, labeled weird or even immoral. Because society lives in their own bubble and level of understanding and at present seriously have some degenerate traits. People wear many disguises for many reasons. Bad people to hide the fact, good people to protect themselves etc.

But even with two atheists, that doesn't mean you could even understand eachother because the reason they came to that conclusion maybe vastly different and their subsequent attitude or ideas toward life in general.

You have 10% that are thinking like you, that's better than I have. Just be true to yourself and do what you enjoy for no one else but you can live your life for you. Jusdt avoid those that try to confront you for they aren't worth the time of day. Just don't act like an ass yourself or you will be marked.

So, I was right in post 3, everyone feels like that...I really don't think it has much to do with intelligence though. All my friends are kind of stupid. There are some who aren't so much stupid, but who are mainly word-smart.