To me it works a whole lot better than most previous versions of windows and how does it work for are do you even have it yet?

Welcome to Sciforums. Are you using the Beta version or the commercial version?

There are other aspects to XP that you may want to be aware of. A guy I know, James Roberts, wrote an article re.his feelings about XP and MS. I'm posting a part of it with his permission.

Anyway, last week my colleagues went to the Microsoft launch of the
new XP Office product. They came back very angry. Apparently, they
were not the only ones to be angered: many people (we are talking
mostly of dealers, here) had walked out. And I have, after much
discussion and pondering, arrived at a decision; if the information
I have been given so far is in fact accurate and true, I am not
going to continue to promote (or buy, or sell, and eventually even
use) Microsoft products in the future. The reasons for this are very
relevant to hobby and small-scale industrial electronics, and are as follows:

There are two new product ranges coming shortly from Microsoft, the
first - which has to all intents and purposes already been
launched - is XP Office. Coming soon will be Windows XP the
operating system. XP Office promises various interesting
innovations, and will no doubt deliver some 30 to 70 percent of
them. However there is also a "Gotcha": XP office will not be
supplied to businesses in functional form. It will be supplied in
installable form, but to activate the product it will be necessary
to register with Microsoft and get an activation key. As I have
described it so far, this is an irritating but not altogether
surprising innovation clearly designed to limit the activities of
software pirates, at all levels. However - it doesn't end there.
The activation key is tagged to the specific hardware set-up of the
machine - if more than three elements of the hardware set-up of the
computer are changed the key will expire. It will then be necessary
to contact Microsoft again to get a new activation key.

Now it is evident that for a typical 'office' user of Microsoft XP
Office all this will have little effect - such users typically are
not allowed to touch the insides of their computer anyway. But I
have been known to make ten changes in my machine in a day - or more
when I am messing around with some add-on and rebuilding and
changing and reconfiguring and... well, use your imagination. I
expect XP Office will not work well for me. And that's not all
folks -- there's more!!

Coming real soon now is Windows XP. Windows XP is (as I understand
it) the final amalgamation of the old Windows NT stream with Windows
95. Windows 95 was in my view a much underrated product: it was a
brilliant expedient that managed backward and forward compatibility
and, remarkably, it worked well enough. Windows NT however has
always been a much more stable product, as we would expect from the
designer of Digital VMS (hint - HAL?). So the convergence of NT and
95 into one product should be welcomed -- no?

Well, perhaps not. According to the information I have, Windows XP
will REQUIRE all executable software to have a digital signature
before the operating system will run it. Yes, I did say "require".
What is wrong with that? Obviously, virus packages, Trojans, worms
and so on won't be digitally signed (if they were the author could
be traced!) so the system will be protected against them -- since
they will not be executed. So far, so good. And plainly, if you are
a developer of mass-market software, all that is needed is to
validate the product and get a digital signature. This is quite
expensive, but amortized against sales of hundreds of thousands of
units will lead to only a small cost increase.

But what if you are a small-scale manufacturer writing customised
software for, say -- machine tool fabrication? Or, specialised
accounts packages? Garment manufacturer quality control? Production
control of a small electronics fab? In that case, it is likely
that no two of the packages you sell will ever be the same, and so
you will have to enter into the expense of getting a validated
digital signature for every single package you sell. And what if
you are (shock horror!) a hobbyist? Progressively, with each new
version of Windows, operating system security has been improved --
but at the same time making it harder and harder to actually use the
machine for anything that is outside the narrow definition conceived
by the package designers. Whose computer is it -- anyway? Well the
answer is -- it is MY computer, not Microsoft's computer, and I will
do with it what I like. Languages such as QBASIC are insecure
because they can do anything on, and to, the machine. Languages
such as Visual Basic are much more 'secure', because all hardware
access is restricted by the operating system kernel. But then you
need to write/get a DLL to be able to talk to the hardware of the
machine. Any security provisions are there to protect me and my data
and my machine, and if they don't do that they are useless to me.
These new provisions seem to have a lot more to do with protecting
Microsoft.

Gave me second thoughts about upgrading from Win2k.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:

WHAT?!!!?

Does this mean that when I write a program in visual Basic and compile it, it will be impossible to run the program (ON MY OWN MACHINE) until I get apply for a digital signature??? This sounds crazy- I have to imagine that there is a work around for the hobbyist. I was just about to purchase a new machine with Windows XP, but I will surely be doing some research first.

I'm useing the home version.

Currently using Win Me and about 90% happy with it but the all too soon launch of yet another damn Microsoft "New Product" smacks to me of "can't get it right, lets try another approach". Just how much money is old Bill going to make out of yet another damn upgrade? I have finally decided, after reading Chagur's excellent reply, is that I will not bother this time. I will wait for the all new Windows XXXXXP or something! These "upgrades" come far too often for poor old me, suffering on a home computer, trying to keep up. No sooner do I have a decent pc than it is outdated, the same with windows et al. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That being the case, what James Roberts wrote applies.

Take care

My friend has Windows XP and guess what, he's quite happy with it. Yes it is true that you cannot change your hardware without Microsofts permission, but he has a CRACKED version of WINDOWS XP, so no need for stress.
My personal thoughts are that Microsoft now totally stinks.
I, myself, change hardware for my PC almost every month, not to mention that I am messing with it almost every week. Microsoft wants to have control of everything.
And what to do for those people who haven't got internet connection:D .

I'm using Windows ME, tried Linux, but that's not for me, atleast at this stage of Linux development.

Well as you well know "Cracked" software is quite frowned upon (I can hear someone hissing at that statement)

Of course I'm going to have to put my thoughts down just for the free speech aspect. I have had it up to limits beyond human psyche can withstand over Microsloth products.

I admit I'm running one of their OS's, but I admit this... it's brought nothing but Pain, Suffering and Torture to my life. The system hounds me an taunts me with Blue Screens of Death, And always manages to kill processes that I'm in the middle of doing.

I was at war with my father of the amount of computers that I supposedly crashed (which was truly down to an operating system that should have been released without the "BETA" written after it) Okay so Win98 is old, I only don't upgrade because I don't believe there should be a need to upgrade. The 95/98 systems were so diabolical I don't think they will learn any time soon.

As for XP, Well I've been messing around trying to get Internet Explorer 6.0 to load, and guess what... the blasted thing won't load. What was it's reason... A ruddy certificate that is out of date. That certificate is one of MICROSLOTHS certificates, and if it won't work coming from them, Who's going to save you XP owners.

Personally I will refrain from buying any more microsloth products and I am not
going to say that I will probably use their software but only if it's free and cracked like everyone else should.

So now it is time to answer with some woes of my own in dealing with Windows XP commercial version. I suffered through a lightning strike with my old 166Mz computer running Windows 95. Seems it developed several glitches afterwards, fried modem, random bad bits on the hard drive, unique failures, and random bugs. So I get this bright idea, ”Get a new computer for a change.”

Where did I get this dumb idea from????!!!!! Well, everything loaded alright, I had the surge protector in place so no more worries about lightning. Everything runs fine. Until….

I find that somehow this monster has remembered a password I don’t have. A 16 character password! Mine isn’t that long. So you go in and change it, Right? Wrong.

You can highlight it, change it, then come back and it is still there. Restore? Nope. Return it to a previous day that it wasn’t there? Nope, doesn’t work, it’s still there. To make it even worse, there is no restore disk! Why? It takes 17 disks to restore and that is to much for the user to do! So friendly Microsoft to the rescue, We’ll put it on the hard drive in a partition that the user doesn’t access. So you format the user portion through windows. So does formatting get rid of the password? No. So what is the solution? Send the thing back and get a new one. To say the least after 4 hours of long distance phone calls that HP will not pay for to fix their product you have to do with out it for another week. Excellent move, Microsoft! Knowing what I know now, I would not touch another XP version by choice.

I know what you mean about passwords, I'm always having problems remembering the ruddy things.. until I came across this little proggy (I'm not sure if it will be of any use)

It's called Behind the Asterix's, basically it intercepts your Kernel calls on password protection, so you just move your mouse over the Asterix's that your unrevealed password has, and the little window this proggy generates shows you your PASSWORD Revealed.

It proves just how insecure these systems truly are when you have the ability to monitor processes. (I'm not sure if it will work on NT/2000 or XP haven't tried them with it)

I don't know where you were having your Password trouble Wet1 (If you can operate your system or not) but if you can run Bta, it hopefully give you the 16 alphanumeric letters or ascii.

(It didn't come up with any viruses with AVG, so it should be clean, feel free to check for yourself)

I have been running windows xp professional for about a month on my machine and I love it.. it is fast and hasn't crashed once. Most of my software has run fine and I havn't had any problems with microsoft digital signatures.

My advice is, don't get the home edition, get the professional version so you don't have to mess around with the product activation rubbish..

incase you were wondering, my rigg is:

abit kt7a motherboard
duron 700@900MHz
quantum as 40 gig 7200 rpm hdd
soundblaster pci 128 soundcard
realtek 8029 network card
pioneer 16x DVD ROM
lite-on 16x10x40 cdrw drive
aopen 300W PSU
19" ADI monitor

Thats about it I think...

I'm dual booting with windows ME cos I know that works fine on my rigg before and I havn't needed to boot into that op since I put xp on, so I will be removing ME soon as I get round to it :)

If a workaround is available for the hobbyist there is nothing to stop the trojan and virii writers.

From my understanding, you can change up to two hardware parts without reactivation. The reactivation doesn't cost anything, so it's not that bad after all. The scheme is enough to prevent software sharing/exchange amount common people, but has no effect on the l33t.

Quote: My friend has Windows XP and guess what, he's quite happy with it. Yes it is true that you cannot change your hardware without Microsofts permission, but he has a CRACKED version of WINDOWS XP, so no need for stress."Unquote

No way is Microsoft going to tell me that I can change this or that in my pc!! I built my pc up from scratch and will change what I want when I want without permission from Mr "Have another upgrade" Gates.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad:

Windows XP will REQUIRE all executable software to have a digital signature


this is just not the case. (read as FALSE Information)

Does this mean that when I write a program in visual Basic and compile it, it will be impossible to run the program (ON MY OWN MACHINE) until I get apply for a digital signature???

read above. (you're fine)

Yes it is true that you cannot change your hardware without Microsofts permission
From my understanding, you can change up to two hardware parts without reactivation.

You can change your hardware all you like LOL, as of windowsXP final (or gold code) product REactivation is not required untill after 6 hardware changes (as long as one of them is not the network card)....
If you buy the final of windows XP (which is an awsome product BTW, and is recommended) it takes 30 seconds online, or a free phone call to MS to activate the product

So lets say you upgrade 2 pieces of hardware per month....that means.....once every 3 months, you need to spend 30 seconds form your hectic life REactivating the OS. I realize thats a lot of time to be spending.

I guess that looks like you CAN'T change hardware.....but c'mon.

get the professional version so you don't have to mess around with the product activation rubbish

gimme some of that glue. (this is completely FALSE)

All you guys are complaining about "another upgrade"......as if they should stop making new OS's or making them better?...
Here's an idea, go run linux, and end up recompiling, or UPGRADING your kernel every once in a while..LOL, (my beef is that you all make it sound as though Microsoft is the only company in the world making thier products better, or upgrading them, or making newer shit)

RedHat (a linux distro), puts out newer verisons of thier distro of Linux on a scale twice that of MS. (this is true of almost ALL of the Linux ditribution companies)

I'm as happy as a pig in shit that MS is putting out newer, better OS's every 2 years or so, who in thier right mind wants to be running windows 98/ME forever? (ME is argualbly the WORST OS they have ever put out IMHO)

If your a big fan of those BSOD then don't get WindowsXP, because you'll never see them again if you do.

Looking for one of the most stable top of the line OS's on the market?..get WindowsXP.

Are you sure that you are not Bill Gates dad? Your very supportive of XP aren't you? My complaint, not necessarily of all, is that Windows (MS) come out with these "cant do without" upgrades too often - not that they do it at all! Going by what you say - get XP or get lost! Windows XP does not have all the drivers in yet either - my scanner is not recognised by XP for example and Primax.nl (the makers) have not yet replied to a single mail I have sent on the subject. C'est la guerre - baby!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So lets say you upgrade 2 pieces of hardware per month....that mea

That's not the point, yes it consumes very little time. But it shouldn't consume ANY. If I buy windows XP, not that I ever BUY software, I can understand having to activate it once, that's pretty much a given. But after that, short of tech support I should NEVER have to deal with MS again about that product.

If you work in a large corporation, you might have a chance to see the Windows XP Corp. version, which requires no activation what so ever.

I have got Win XP professional but in two minds whether to install or not, even in a dual boot mode - hmmm

So you need to crack/hack the OS just to make it usable? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Porfiry
So you need to crack/hack the OS just to make it usable? :rolleyes:

I would say tht you make it much more enjoyable to run if it is cracked. If not cracked then microsoft knows much more than I wanted it to know, and makes the use of the OS very inconvenient if you are are messing with hardware.

heard this joke? :)
a girl after a night with Bill Gates
"Now I understand why your company is called MICRO-SOFT" :D :D

Originally posted by Red Devil
Are you sure that you are not Bill Gates dad? Your very supportive of XP aren't you? My complaint, not necessarily of all, is that Windows (MS) come out with these "cant do without" upgrades too often - not that they do it at all! Going by what you say - get XP or get lost! Windows XP does not have all the drivers in yet either - my scanner is not recognised by XP for example and Primax.nl (the makers) have not yet replied to a single mail I have sent on the subject. C'est la guerre - baby!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

well it's not really a "can't do without" upgrade...continue useing what you're using, thats fine.....my point was more, that, if you want better than what you are using, then you could try XP.

secondly, I didn't mean "get XP or get lost", more, "don't knock it till you try it".

thirdly, your scanner problem is not uncommon, but it's not exactly a deficiency in the OS now is it? (sounds more to me like your scanner's manufacturer is screwing you....). WindowsXP actually supports more hardware straight out of the box than any other OS on the planet.....now that says something.

So you need to crack/hack the OS just to make it usable?
LOL....yeah thats it.

That's not the point, yes it consumes very little time. But it shouldn't consume ANY. If I buy windows XP, not that I ever BUY software, I can understand having to activate it once, that's pretty much a given. But after that, short of tech support I should NEVER have to deal with MS again about that product.

i don't disagree........but thats the way it is.........it would be fantastic if this wasn't. Peronally I'm willing to use the best OS on the planet, and live with some of the backwards thinking that goes along with it. (just to clarify, I didnt buy the damn thing either....nor would I [mostly due to it's outrageous cost])

I didnt buy mine either, nor would I - far too expensive. I may pluck up the courage one day to install it; even partitioned an extra drive to put it in - when I have the guts! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

After reading [f]'s posts I was moved to make another post. It is not that I am against new OS's. I think that they have come a long ways since I first learned DOS to operate a computer. It is much simpler to click an icon that it is to go through all the boring typing of commands and switches to get the computer to function. It is also far better than the original Windows 3.x in ease of use and compatability. What we do with computers today was dreamed of as something that would be nice to do but beyond the capabilities of most users and programmers of yesteryear.

My issue is not with the using of Windows. It is the standard of most of the computing users of the world and if I want to take home any computer info, data, ect. from work then Windows it is. My beef if you will, is that computing software is one of the few things that you buy that comes incomplete and not ready for the world at large and we the public accept this as ok. I mean if you went to the store and bought a new shirt and got home only to discover that half the buttons were not there, how long would it take you to return the item to the store and demand a replacement? Yet we readily accept that there will be fixes and patches to complete the item we bought at a later date and accept that as the standard of business. What is wrong with this picture?

my only argument for that picture wet1 would be that, shirts (with buttons), have been around for say a thousand years.....and they've had that time to develop, and many different generations of people "putting thier thinking caps on", to try and make the design better. Computer software, or computers in general, have only had maybe 50 years of development, and what we might consider "real" software, even less time.

there's always room for improvement, bugs to fix, things to rework.

look at it this way, the first Ford motor car off the first assembly line was far from being the ideal automobile, or they would have stopped there.

I would say we're almost lucky that patchs for software become available, that would be a hard thing to do for a car.(but it does happen, in the form of recalls for certain things)

I don't disagree that there are times when software is released that is not final..or finished......and is rushed out to the unknowing public, I'm certain that happens on a daily basis. I imagine though, that you can only do so much testing of a specific peice of software for so long....due to manpower and time limitations. Then you get all you testing done, and 4 people all complain about one small bug, that you never encountered, and now you need to release a patch.

It would be an ideal world where everything we ever purchased was perfect right out of the box.


Red Devil....go for it man.....*kicks the ass of the devil*

It is much simpler to click an icon that it is to go through all the boring typing of commands and switches to get the computer to function. Apparently you never learned to write '*.bat' files to do the job for you.

On my old DOS/OS2 486 a single multiaction .bat file gives me immediate access to twenty eight programs by just typing in, for example: R(un)*space*N(orton)C(ommander) or F(rame)W(ork)S(pread sheet). By the time my monitor warms up the old clunker is running the program I want and awaiting further instructions.

A whole lot less aggravating that waiting a minute and a half or so for Win2k to present all those pretty icons.

Oh yes, I learned the batch files, boot disks, and assorted stuff that comes with the territory. But still you have to write them initially, If you save to disk then sooner or later they crap out and you have to rewrite them again. I finally retired my 486 when it took 20 minutes to boot up Win 95. It was not worth buying memory as clock speed of 16 Mz was the big hold up. Though I am thinking of getting another hard drive to revive my 166 for clunking around. After the lightning strike it is slowly getting more and more spots going bad in the HD.

Originally posted by wet1
Oh yes, I learned the batch files, boot disks, and assorted stuff that comes with the territory. But still you have to write them initially, If you save to disk then sooner or later they crap out and you have to rewrite them again. I finally retired my 486 when it took 20 minutes to boot up Win 95. It was not worth buying memory as clock speed of 16 Mz was the big hold up. Though I am thinking of getting another hard drive to revive my 166 for clunking around. After the lightning strike it is slowly getting more and more spots going bad in the HD. Old, outdated machines may be sneered at by bulky, bloated OSs, but Linux will hug your machine, and make it feel loved again.

And it won't make you register before it'll work.

I don’t come here often although perhaps I should since one of my principle hobbies is building PCs.

I have upgraded 2 of my machines to XP Pro, one is a desktop and the other a laptop, and another 2 to XP Home (both home built desktops), one of which was a fresh install, but that is my crash and burn machine. All my others are on ME or Win2K.

Thanks [f] for your sanity.

Activation.

You have 30 days before you have to activate. In that time you can change as many pieces of hardware as you wish. If you are designing and building a new machine then 30 days is probably long enough.

Changing a piece of hardware does not necessarily require re-activation; even changing the motherboard will probably not require re-activation. If you change many pieces at the same time then that might indeed invoke a re-activation requirement. If you typically change one item at a time then you may not have any needs to re-activate ever. NICs tend to be the exception.

Note that MS do not keep track of all your hardware. Their technique is to take a few digits from the serial numbers of multiple components. Each piece of information is insufficient for them to determine what hardware you have. The actual algorithm that determines whether a re-activation is required is still a secret. Although I can tell you the bit patterns of the code and which parts correspond to which components.

You do not have an open ended count for reactivation. I think the current count is about 6 times after that you will have to contact MS and negotiate. For MSDN users (Miscrosoft Developers Network) the count is significantly higher.

Is this an issue: For me with so many machines, well I can’t admit to ever breaking license agreements, so of course it isn’t a problem. :D

Owning Software versus Licensing.

Sorry to disappoint any of you who think you have bought software and think you own it and think you can do with it whatever you want. In nearly every case for OS software you have only purchased a license and you are not legally free to copy or use that software as you would like.

What MS has done with XP is to start a trend to protect their legal rights. I strongly suspect that many other software makers will follow their courageous lead and we will see more of software activation techniques. Software piracy has and is a major problem and should really be seen as theft. It is estimated that the majority of MS OS’s running in China are pirate copies.

To continue to obtain quality software with substantial and quality upgrades we need to invest in those participating companies. Had MS received all the income from all the pirated copies of Windows then I suspect the increase in development and quality of Windows is likely to have been tremendous.

Knocking Microsoft.

Despite your criticism MS remains by all standards the most successful company for software development in the history of the industry and maintains the highest standards of software quality and integration compared to any other company.

It is a shame that success attracts criticism, it shouldn’t, success is an American Ideal that most of us strive to achieve, and most people remain failures but enjoy criticizing those who have made it. I think that is hypocrisy.

Is Ms software perfect? No of course not. Can you get the same quality and integration anywhere else? No you cannot. Should we look to competitors for alternatives? Most certainly; to keep MS on their toes. But in the meantime if you decide you won’t use MS software because you don’t like MS then you will simply lose out because there are no other equal or better alternatives.

Lack of drivers for older hardware is not an MS problem. All equipment manufacturers have had considerable time to test their hardware with XP and generate appropriate drivers. Call your hardware maker if you have a problem, and don’t shoot the messenger (MS in this case).

And no I do not work for MS, although I do have a tee shirt that states NT-SDG, so maybe I have had some past connections.

XP.

This is probably the best news for the home PC user in the history of personal computing. The final abandonment of the single threaded, farcical memory management, abomination of the Win95/98/98SE/ME family is a breakthrough in sanity.

MS now has only a single OS base (NT). This must help MS concentrate all its OS resources in the same direction rather than trying to support largely incompatible OS’s.

For those of you who have experience of NT (I go back to NT 3.5) then you should appreciate the quality and stability that should be apparent in XP. Combine that stability with the features that home users have come to expect then you have a winning solution.

Will there be problems? Certainly. This is a major move for MS, far more major than most home users will ever realize. While the software is called Windows, underneath it is fundamentally different to the Win95+ family. What of all those games that would only work on Win95+? They should all work in XP. MS has added code that will detect and emulate the routines that the once incompatible games used. But I suspect there will be some occasional oddities that MS has not anticipated. In the future new games will be written for XP and they should be superb.

Enough for now.
Have fun.
Cris

Thanks for the informative mail Cris - quite interesting. I have now installed XPPro as a dual boot, until I decide that I no longer need Me. However, great problems ensued with the installation of XP, not with the prog itself but what it will support. My scanner is non existent according to XP and I find that, in the XP update catalogue in MS, very few drivers are supported. I know that will change but, until then, it is a novelty and nothing more........:rolleyes:

Red Devil,

Before the install there is a compatibility check procedure. Did you run that and did it find that the scanner would be a problem?

XP doesn't promise to find all the issues but it has for me so far.

But I agree that there is no need for everyone to rush to XP. Many software and hardware vendors are not yet fully up to speed. That will change over the coming months.

I've had mixed results with dual-boot systems and avoid them now. Also I wanted to move to all NTFS which I have now done, no more FAT or FAT32 file systems. No more 2Gb/4GB limits to movie files.

Have fun though whatever.
Cris

The only 'dual boot' system that was bulletproof, at least for me, was DOS Ver.6.2/OS2 Warp ... Still running it on the old 486. :)

As a dual boot it is working fine. The scanner was picked up as ??? before booting so I knew that already. The only other glitch noticed is that Norton 2001 in Me works fine but I installed Norton 2002 in XP (off the add-on)and the windoctor in Me told me there were "faults" with it, and adjusted it! Now Norton 2002 is running 2001 in XP from Me!!! doh! I may have to reinstall 2002 into XP some time soon!:rolleyes:

Need Help

I have 3 laptops and 4 desktops. They run 98, 98SE, ME, NT4, NT2000. I had no problem using any of them as a business client. If I buy a new computer, I have no choice but get stuck with XP home version.

I am inclined to upgrade all my computers to NT2000 since I found out it upgrades 98 series without hassle. XP is a different situation. I am not sure if home version will work with the business software and network to the business servers.

On NT 2000, I can upgrade two or more computers with one purchase but for xp, I have to buy several packages to upgrade the existing computers. Microsoft has not made any liberal allowance to home buyers who have multiple computers.

So, I am thinking to stay with ME or NT2000 for atleast two to five years on the older computers and then shop for Linux to upgrade them. For new computers, I may look at NT2000, Apple and may be XP Professional (which is hard to get at Office Depot, Costco or Sams Club)

Any thoughts?

I got a modem fried in an electrical storm. So I went out and bought a surge protector extension. Cost me about $60 US and is guaranteed for $50,000 damage cover - for life! Worth the money! Oh I had to buy a new modem too!! :rolleyes: KMGURU - dont buy it! XP professional I mean - get a cracked one; so much easier!:rolleyes:

I am running WindowXP. Every day or so, I get a screen with a register dump and the message that my machine has been halted in order to protect it. Guess what? The screen is blue.
Oh, just in case someone knows what the problem is, here's the register dump. There is no other information of value on the screen. [0x8e(xc000001d, x804e8ac4, xff317c08, x0)]
I find Windows XP to be MUCH MUCH FASTER on my 1.33 ghz Thunderbird system than ME was. So far, it has been less stable.

my advice, get a cracked version. I don't know the couse of this particular problem, but I know tht XP has a delicate register program. If you change your hardware often or a lot at one time, etc, it orders you to reregister again via inet. A real problem.

So get a cracked version and no problems.


It might be some bug though. Duno, if it is really annoying reinstall windows.

Actually, I'm about to buy a legal version. I am running a cracked version now, because I wanted to see how much trouble I had before committing. I bout a Windows ME upgrade that didn't work. I had to spend more $ to buy a full version. Scraping with the vendors takes more time ($) than just getting new version.
I suspect an incompatible driver. I just don't know how to find it. Maybe the online updates will help once I have the legal version installed. I've replaced all drivers I know of with XP versions where available ... and stopped using items for which I cannot locate one, such as my scanner.

about scaners. I knoow tht win xp has problems with finding them. there was even a list of companies which scanners XP doesn't find. I suggest you wait for the XP patch, there has recently been published 1st servise pack for xp, but I doò't know is tht particular problem with scanners has been fixed.


How much did you pay for cracked win xp. I bought one for 3.5$ and it works fine, but my pc is too dated, so I will install it permenantly when I get a new pc.

The cracked version was given to me by a friend. I think he downloaded it for free. He's afraid to try xp. It's up to Visioneer, the maker of my scanner, to produce an xp compatible driver. They've already stated that my scanner model is too old. They will not be producing one. I cannot get my 56K modem to work, either. The MS site warns that my particular modem will not work. I'm not complaining. When I upgraded from a 400 mhz/128 meg machine to my 1.33 ghz/256 meg DDR machine, I hardly noticed a difference with ME. XP really brought it to life. BTW, I suspect my Pine nVidia TNT2 M64 4x AGP video card driver of being the problem, even though I have downloaded a newer, XP driver for it. I'm going to drop back to an older PCI video card for a few days to see if that makes a difference. Also, I may have a very old version of XP. When I purchase a newer version, I may get some relief. I'm just not sure what will happen when I try to install XP over XP. I want to avoid disk formatting if at all possible.

KM get an XP proffessional edition,you"ll have everything compatible,virtually everything...

true that during setup it doesnt recognize various scanners,digi cams etc,but dont worry,they"ll work after the setup program.i had a problem when setup told me that my camera wont work,but did work properly even after the warning,it has various compatibility issues with mp3 players like rio where it gives stupid .vxd file errors but there s no need to panic,as it will work with all those shits about file missing etc.

xp prof is KOOL.it is so stable,i would say a true combination of Me and NT.

bye!

I must respectfully disagree that you should not worry about your scanner not working with XP. I have read many reports of people being unable to use their scanners. That isn't to say that NO scanners will work with it. The makers of my One-Touch scanner have stated clearly that they will not update the driver for XP. They have, however, done so for more recent models. BTW, my Kodak DC215 digital camera installed and works fine. Intel sent me a new XP compatible CD for my USB Play microscope. It now works, too.

I am using XP Professional. According to MS documentation, there will be no differences in product compatibility between the professional and home versions. The professional version apparently includes some network-aware configuration capabilities for managing groups of XP machines ... that sort of thing.

Originally posted by Jim Henley
I must respectfully disagree that you should not worry about your scanner not working with XP. I have read many reports of people being unable to use their scanners. That isn't to say that NO scanners will work with it. The makers of my One-Touch scanner have stated clearly that they will not update the driver for XP. They have, however, done so for more recent models. BTW, my Kodak DC215 digital camera installed and works fine. Intel sent me a new XP compatible CD for my USB Play microscope. It now works, too.

well i said that because during setup it prompted me by saying that my EPSON scanner will not work,so better uninstall the driver,but i didnt.then later on it worked and now working nicely.
Home edition as i have used... i found pretty unstable on my Gateway pc.it freezes quite often.

bye!

Yes, my XP Professional installation has been very unstable, too. However, I have very gradually brought it to stability by:
1) replacing my power supply - it was unable to support my Thunderbird 1.33 ghz CPU reliably - my mistake
2) I removed my PINE nVidia TNT2 M64 4x AGP video card and installed a much older Trident PCI card with only 8 megs of RAM.

I can only assume that the driver for my PINE card isn't truly compatible with XP, even though it claims to be.

It is very, very difficult to seperate problems with drivers from problems with the OS. I have found this to be true of Windows, the MAC OS and Unix system (including Solaris). It's a painful part of computing life. :eek:

Thanks for sharing your experience with the home version of XP.

Help! I was voting in a poll about on line news in 2009 and got sent back in time to this thread from 2001! Now where'd I leave that flux capacitor?.........
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:oSTcgQCjiFH0VM:http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/flux-capacitor.jpeg

Occasionally the residual flux effect causing instability in the submebrane matrix which causes threads of yesteryear to appear when ejected from voting on a poll. It's no serious problem (apart from the winning numbers of the lottery thread) as for the most part your vote will have been tallied, you'll just have to search the post you've misplaced or remember to use the back button.

(Technically it's down to some internal numeric error which is usually updated every so often, moving/deleting posts/threads is usually the root cause of this phenomena. Plazma just needs to "Synchronise" the site again.)