hey all
just a curiosity of mine to ponder on the benevolence of StarTrek
and the insuing question of true representation of demographic
Creeds and cultures.
The global figure is said to be, 10% of society is homosexual.
Yet there is none in any StarTrek episodes or movies that i have seen!
is this because it is seen as an illness treatable by gene and hormone therapy?(ref brain fluid analysis)
is it a small "selected" window of an elitist group?
hence no abnormalities in mental or physical stuff?

PLEASE... no bigoted responses!(hetro-phobics included)




:)

I think it would be hard to write into a Star Trek script. Whenever homosexuality is included in TV or Movies it is usually to deal with that issue or leave it open for another episode. In Star Treks case that may not be applicable. Star Trek relies on evolutionary causes for human and alien life. Having a race of homosexuals would impede on that life.

I guess its a sci fi thing. I personally just think that having homosexualism wouldn't fit into the Star Trek universe. Its just not what its about. Its about inter-racial relationships and diplomacy and ships and stuff. And please don't tell me that homosexualism is a race because if it is it would only survive a generation and would rely on converts. Thus if its genetic there would only be one generation or if they had children previously an ever decreasing number.

Dear Oxymoron earthling,

What percentage of the society are you? Who cares!

Startrek is about the exploration of space, not the exploration of another guys asshole!

You are in the wrong place! Go to any search engine and type, "peter puffer", ect......

Surely you can manage a gay fantasy with a techno flare.



You make me sick!

so there are not any gays on ST ? so what?
there are not any batrooms in it as well.

and money was dismissed among the humans yet they manage to get some latinum to play on ds9.

who cares?!?!?

No homosexuality in Star Trek. That means it has got to be the only programme on TV that is good for kids.
I hope they never even consider the idea.

LOL
thankyou all for your responses
deadwood- it is soo obviouse you are a diplomat at heart and
a solid global citezen! [a cut above the rest] :)
as to the other responses i guess i struck a nerve :D LOL

i have heard it said that startrek is an educational format influenced by ETs!
i find this idea very fascinating as to which area of society is being addressed.
hhhmmm... food for thought.

well if we are talking about space exploration it would be understandable
that bi- or homo sexual people would need to be weeded out.
it would only attribute more problems in a colonisation format.
although there is no reply so far to the disabled refference
i can feel the phobic backlash of repression blazing like a
sword wheelded by a knight or the "nuke the gay whales for jesus" triangle table.
:D
I DO NOT WANT TO OFFER MYSELF AS A TARGET for point scoring
zealots so i will keep my inner thoughts to myself but i only hope we get a response from someone from the writing room.
i find the social implications of "dax" to be very interesting.....
inspite of her being a sexy gal in the current series running on our network :D
ONE MORE QUESTION...... based on the current run of events(terrorists) has the startrek series's addressed the issue of religiouse incompatability yet?

:)

I think I might have seen a creature in a episode that was suppose to be Asexual if that's any help :D

You might have noticed also in the programs, Where are the criminals that supply drugs, and the drug users? And do you ever see anyone begging for money? (Of course they mention some method they used where the federation was created and it meant people worked for it and got paid for existing or something like that)

They've managed to keep illnesses within it, so at least they haven't made out all is cured?

On top of that, all those that could have a relationship with Daxx in Deep Space 9 are contemplaiting sleeping with a symbiont that use to live in a man, which mean Daxx must be gay.

I would mention other things but I'm sure they would have a better heading... By the way I'm hetrosexual :p Even though nobody should be told of someone Sexual preference as it's like me telling you what postions I like and who with :D

ST was never meant to be the vehicle to address all of societies problems. It was meant to be a sci-fi series. On prime time in the sixties when such was not mentioned. Being as it was prime time that meant the kiddies could watch.

What ST did was paint a general picture for back ground and was amazingly complete for the time. Especially when considering that the networks handled it. With censors breathing down their backs, no less. Now they did get off into things that were not considered proper for the time but it was always disguised as something else and the viewer had to determine just what it was that was being addressed as it could never just come out and say what it was or it would never make it by the censor.


The other thing that amazes me about it is that after all this time people are still looking for solutions within its contents and context. It was never meant to be what it has been blown up to. It was only a tv show. Another cowboy and indian story with space ships instead of horses.

The other thing that amazes me about it is that after all this time people are still looking for solutions within its contents and context.

This can be said with all Science fiction, of course some Science fiction comes from science fact, while other science fiction actually starts a whole new chain of sciences fact.

I wish I could just quote some science facts that have come from science fiction.... well other than transplants (Frankenstein), CCTV (1984), Artificial Intelligence (2001).

Others have just had a prefound effect, like the first radio version of "War of the Worlds" with H.G.Wells, and it seems that UFOlogy has stayed as a subculture ever since.

Ripleofdeath, it looks like you have struck a very big nerve.

hehe, I have been told that there are two things you should never discuss in public. They are Religion and Politics.

But with all the responses in this forum it seems that there is one more to add.

Religion, Politics and homosexuality. :D

whats up with this gay issue??!
whatdoes it matter if there are gays there or not?]
no1 has sex there anyway.

did u ever see muslems? jews? budaists? hinudes or whatever on STNG,DS9,VOYAGER ?
it does not really matter with all those Aliens around.

only in bab5 and that too in one of the early episodes there is this thing about religons and in the end he intreduces the alien(4got if it was a centauri or menbari or whatever) to all the religions of earth and there are people in the religius dressing of any religon on earth.

and also ivanova's father is a jew

religions are not that interestng in those sci-fi progs and as u can see in the later episodes no such stuff is addressed while the religions of other alien races are widely spread to the viewer with more info (both in b5 and in st universe)

it is kinda like the old ST when they had a russion,and a japanese/chinease(what was he?) while the cold war raged in the world.

hey all

well as i think more holistically on the issue it seems maybe too apparent that these issues may in themselves be the nature to what is deemed personal and not to be discussed as the nature of there existence in the programs.


I TOO THINK it is not a public topic of conversation as to what type of sex a person chooses to engage in but it seems that i along with a few others are in the minority.

Politics religion and sex...
The core issues of what is society... but as deadwood says
the very things one should not discuss incase someone likes to be nasty to others and does not want to admit it!

:D

wet1; good point let the brains expand. :D

Stryderunknown; hhhhmmm good points.

Radical; good point about the bathrooms :D ohh the variations they might need to cater for :D(maybe such things would allow perversive thought to dominate somepeoples minds to detract from the main theme) ?

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE LAST THING WHICH ANNOYS ME INTENSLY why is it that people feel a need to shout from the roof tops that they are having sex and what they are actualy doing?
-maybe a serious problem with performance anxiety...?


groove on all :)

Jim Kirk was never a queer! Nor was spock or
Mc Coy!

You must be very young and don't yet know what is is like to find and have real friends in this world. Son, don't mistake the love between soulful brothers with homosexuality!

As a writer of many articles, good and bad, there are some writings that are sacreligious to comment on, in the ways that you have proposed. I have read a few about queers in Starfleet, over the years.

After the first publication of the book, StarTrek, "The Motion Picture", there was a passage written about how there was NO Vulcan word for friend. The only words that came close were "brother", or "lover". God, you can imagine the uproar of the "alternate lifestyles" bunch at the time. Roddenbury & companie(s) used that in the same way that the closest Russian term at the time was "Comrad". It makes a mad as a wet hen when the perverts claim that Kirk and Spock were queers!

The emotions between Kirk & Spock & Mc Coy were a hell of a lot like the bond that develops between police officer partners. Cops may spend so much time watching out for their partners, that they really are closer than to their own wives. It doesn't mean that they are queers, ripleofdeath, it just means that they are forced to trust each other for survival. FYI: Gene Roddenbury was a cop before he was a writer. It just makes me ill when the queers try to equate homoSEXuality with a very rare kind of friendship. And it really makes me mad when a couple of like minded souls cannot be friends and have a few beers together, without the freaks of today saying that they are a "couple!"

Queers aren't born, they are recruited! Whether by insufficient parental upbringing, or by later peer induced crowds.

Count yourself lucky to find a good woman, ripleofdeath. And count yourself even more lucky to find "brothers" who will watch your back and help you in times of need. If you can everbe considered a real man, then you will be as reliable. Just don't go down the roaqd of the scourges of queers, many as they are.

StarTrek was originally written as a forward looking fantasy of human possibilties and technology. It was never written as a forum for alternative lifestyes. It makes me sick to think that children might be subjected to a 21st century indoctrination of such alternative lifestyles. I know that my children weren't born homosexual, and god willing they won't come to believe that they are because of the present day tolerant attitude, that is a thinly disguised veil of indoctrination for those that have become hopelessly perverted.

Get your head straight, Ripleofdeath. Maybe a little Old Time Gospel Religion might-not-be-such-a-bad-thing-for-you. You could do a lot worse than to be a Christian!

Just don't keep on swaying the younger audience here with the disgusting homosexual argument!

hey all

dear ed anger
you seem to live up to your namesake...
i feel alot of hurt in your life and would like to give you what little sympathy i can in a text based context. ... :)

i can feel your fear for your children like a broken limb!
stay strong for them and protect them from evil as much as biggoted psychology!

any religion is only as good as the teacher!

I understand what you mention in regard to the close bond of
men and share your anguish on the constant homophobic response that reduces the "melding of minds" to a sexual encounter.
you touch so heavily on the subject of psychological polution of the mind without refering directly to it.

you do make an interesting point about friends!...
to what do you judge your own?
by what they do
or by what they say they would have done?
when do you judge them to be this great thing called friend?
MAYBE... just MAYBE... they might just be nice people,
who you are getting to know!...?

A TRUE FRIEND IS A NICE (good at heart) PERSON
WHO IS AROUND FOR A TIME IN WHICH YOU MAY LEARN OF THEIR
LIKES AND DISLIKES, while sharing enjoyment in a mutual fashion.

peace and light

keep grooving all :)

Queers aren't born, they are recruited! Whether by insufficient parental upbringing, or by later peer induced crowds

actualy it is now belived that some cases of being gay are due to ones DNA.

Just don't keep on swaying the younger audience here with the disgusting homosexual argument!

are you sure that you are not gay? {not that there is something wrong with it} studies also claim the ones that are most homophobic are actualy gays and are ashamed of it.

i for an instance do not care
<B>hey the more gays there are out there means more girls for me.</B>




Kirk and Spock were queers!


hmm yhe right with all those girls in the short skirts

and kirk going on as landing party to every fu_cking planet they reach and faces amazons{must resist atomizing disruppter ray and do the leader}
yhe right kirk is gay (dude no1 ever claimed kirk and spock were gays)


Gene Roddenbury was a cop before he was a writer

hmm maybe he is the one from the villige people??!?

one must be very crazy to come up with something as stupid as the ANDROMEDA(it is like the power rangers meet xena with a plot more stupid)

...the lack of homosexuality in Star Trek.

But I´m sure that will come soon, in an episode NEAR YOU! :D

So stay away from the TV and COVER your asses for GODS sake!!!:D

You never know with those "homersexuals", they might have found a way to escape from the TV into your living room, just because they are so sex-crazed that nothing can stop them!:D

Sounds like a homer-sexual nightmare for the X Files being as Star Trek no longer is made. I guess we'll have to enlist the super hero's for this one. Where is Mel Gibson and Steven Segal when you need them? (probably being fitted for bandaids over the booty at the doctors office):eek:

hey all :)

wet1
bebelina-
:D
LOL!
good point wet1,
i was a bit dissapointed that the discusion on TV morality-nocks
didnt quite go to plan but i gues thats the same thing the engineers of the WTC is saying.

soo much predjudice its hard to hear-your-self,
insult all the biggots!
:D
could we stretch the canvas to to fit a question of
bigottory nurtured by TV?
and suggest that our lust for 'want-satisfaction' powers the
machine that keeps us buying security?
make mine a plasma riffle! :D

groove on all :)

Stryder is correct. There was an episode that dealt directly with homosexuality (though using the traditional scifi mechanism of twisting the situation around sufficiently such that social commentary can be made without necessitating blinding introspection).

This was a TNG episode where there was an entire planet of monosexuals (not asexual, because they still needed to have sex) with a single gender. Cmdr. Riker (with his compelling masculinity, I guess) falls in love & is fallen in love with by one of the monosexuals. It (?) tells Riker that though the species is strictly monosexual, there are instances of tendency towards gender. The society looks down upon these instances and considers them to be medical illnesses that need to be treated. Riker is outraged ... etc. eventually she/it is treated and no longer finds Riker attractive ... probably a monologue about sexual freedoms ... roll credits.

This was a TNG episode where there was an entire planet of monosexuals (not asexual, because they still needed to have sex) with a single gender. Cmdr. Riker (with his compelling masculinity,

What can you expect on a ship run by a French Captain with an English accent!

No more Star Trek???:(

But where will all the homersexuals go? :D

hey all

porfiry........ Thank you
You bring a well-needed sense of brain activity back to the thread!

This issue I feel lies in the heart of most accompanied by
all the other issues such as the interspecies relationships which could well be sexually incompatible and therefore doomed to life
with no evolution of offspring!

What a tangled web we deceive! ... :D

There is only one more issue left for them to deal with that will never make it past the proprietors......!
EDUCATION!!!
How we tangle and pervert the fragile minds of children with ill-fated dichotomies of creed culture and social conscience doctrines.

But what I would I know......!!!.......?
I have not had the experience of the illogically unconscionable act of poor sexual practice by creating another monster for society to deal with and be dealt to by!
Yet feel great pain in empathy for those who seek to follow the path of good intent in place of good education.

may we all learn and grow INSPITE of all the SELF IMPOSED
barriers and filters, caried like a torch of "true-proud" ego.

groove on all :)

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
hey all
just a curiosity of mine to ponder on the benevolence of StarTrek
and the insuing question of true representation of demographic
Creeds and cultures.
:confused: Ya, where are all the Mexicans, etc..? :D

The global figure is said to be, 10% of society is homosexual.
Yet there is none in any StarTrek episodes or movies that i have seen!
10% I think is unsubstanciated, before I believe it's that I high I want to know who counted? Maybe among artists, writers & other free spirits?


is this because it is seen as an illness treatable by gene and hormone therapy?(ref brain fluid analysis)
I'm not sure they deal with gene therapy? Has it ever been mentioned? I think they do that tricorder thing, e-waves or whatever?

is it a small "selected" window of an elitist group?
hence no abnormalities in mental or physical stuff?
Elitists? Who? Those that go out into space? Or those who write the episodes?

PLEASE... no bigoted responses!(hetro-phobics included)
One man's bigot, is anothers soul-brother, or something like that?

...that B´lanna is half mexican-ish...:D

And Chacotay is indian.

Didn´t you all know everyone in starfleet is bi-sexual?

Yes. Even their sexuality is so advanced that it´s no longer genderbased.
It´s such an old issue for them that they wont even discuss it.

At least half the women Kirk got it on with were shemales.

:D

Originally posted by Bebelina
...that B´lanna is half mexican-ish...:D
I don't think so, otherwise they would have said so, she is either mixed Latino or Puerto Rican. At the most, they have never stated what she is, Spanish-surnamed is not much to go on.


And Chacotay is indian.
Indian is not Mexican, unless he is from a Mexican Indian tribe (though about 59% of Mexicans are mixed Indian & Spanish). By the way, Robert Beltran is from Bakersfield, just down the road from Fresno, I have friends that remember him from Fresno State University.

Originally posted by MuliBoy
Didn´t you all know everyone in starfleet is bi-sexual?

Yes. Even their sexuality is so advanced that it´s no longer genderbased.
It´s such an old issue for them that they wont even discuss it.

At least half the women Kirk got it on with were shemales.

:D


I believe Muliboy is on the right track. I've always gotten the impression that in the future--as the writers for Star Trek view it-- it is asserted that "people" will have reached a deeper and more tolerant understanding of these issues. That we will be considerably advanced in our knowledge of our sexuality--on all levels. I forget the name of the vacation hot spot (a planet) on the show--a hedonist's paradise... however, when someone takes a little excursion there, there aren't any raised eyebrows from other "modern-minded" crew members. The general attitude seems to be: to each his own.

(As long as it doesn't upset the Romulans.)

Thus, they don't make a big deal out of it.

Greetings -

I have nothing really constructive to add to this thread other than this:

There was an episode of Deep Space Nine that dealt with homosexuality.. Jadzia Dax is reunited with a female Trill that was the wife of one Dax's previous male hosts. There is a gradual build up of sexual tension as the two realize they still love each other, which culminates in a kiss, and Dax asking her to stay on DS9. For a somewhat less brief synopsis, go here:

http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_ds9_detail.asp?ID=68238


Thanks,
FyreStar

..that Tukov is absolutely brittish because he´s so STIFF ! :D

Startrek has always worked to better itself and if this guy turns out to be gay then who cares? So what a few people will freak but the whole point of ST is to promote equality. I mean come on the first ST had a black lady, so what are we suppose to say to that? No black people on ST, i don't think so. I have black friends and it doesn't bother me. And if one of my friends turns out to be gay I wouldnt care, as long as he didn't say "Hey man Im gay and in love with you."
So as long as the gay guy doesnt hit on the Captain il be fine. Other then that he might not be gay, ever hear of jumping to conclusions? The guys british right? What if instead of being gay he's british?

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
Startrek has always worked to better itself and if this guy turns out to be gay then who cares?
Better itself? Explain? Do you mean a vision of a better future? Bye the way, are there any gay aliens? Just wondering if they are 1%, 10% or 100% of any population? What will the future hold, how will the writers keep it real? Or will there be any need to deal with this issue? I don't care, I would prefer the space exploration and wonder of our vast universe. And the hope that humans make it past our current developmental level.


And if one of my friends turns out to be gay I wouldnt care, as long as he didn't say "Hey man Im gay and in love with you."How are they supposed to know if you are gay or not? How do you pick up women? Don't you ask them the same way? Or do you wait till they show interest & say, "Hey baby!!"? Man, you'll be waiting a long time!


So as long as the gay guy doesnt hit on the Captain il be fine. Other then that he might not be gay, ever hear of jumping to conclusions?What would it matter to you? What if the Captain is the one that is supposed to be gay?


The guys british right? What if instead of being gay he's british? British & gay? I thought that was one & the same thing? Just kidding!!!

Yes, and the´re ugly too! :D Not only the gays....:rolleyes:...sorry, I just feel full of mischief tonight! :p

"What would it matter to you? What if the Captain is the one that is supposed to be gay? "

Hey man who cares, really? I think the important thing is the show itself and whether or not it's going to be good or bad, and if one of the characters does turn out to be gay then the show would just be more popular.

I amazes me that 30-40 years later we still seek meaning within a cowboy western diguised as a space series. It was just a series for tv. It was not a philosphical treatise on how the future should look and feel and what we would think 200 or 2000 years down the road. If you would find meaning for life and future then go elsewhere to look where there is meat to be had and not in a Hollywood soap opera. All it takes to modify a writers thought in the script is that maybe we have something going on in the mideast so we should have an Arab instead of an artist in this spot. So what actor do we replace him with? I mean, come on here, it was entertainment pure and simple. How we think that this is the model for the future? Maybe we should hire someone to open our doors for us so we can be closer to the original reality of Startrek. You know, no door knobs.

Wet1
"Hollywood soap opera"

Hey Soap operas are okay, they allow us humans to see and think about things and relate to them, and were not talking about the ones with "Oh jim im having your baby and sleeping with my priest and my mom is not my mom but really my dad" type stuff. Were talking about a show that trys to make a point and that point is that everyone no matter what color, background, sexual preference, or religioun is equal. That's what startrek trys to stress the most, is that people are equal. And if they still have a problem with gays in the future then they will display to us how to overcome such hatetred, as they did with the half black half white man. Hatetred destroys humans and cultures, and in the future and in the past, we can't overcome that then we will end up like the half 'n half man, chasing each other down and killing one another, and that in my mind is the worst thing that can happen.

hey all :)

exactly one of my points in relation to the fan club level of people
who choose to see more in the program than most might in a "soap opera"
the predludice thing is what is holding us back from a higher level of evolution...
inclusive being all those things like medical technology...
(ever heard of a DOCTOR giving a DISCOUNT or money back garentee?)
minerals....
owned by PAPER companies selling to one person to sell to all the others who cannot afford it, at a price that keeps going up.
THE SPACE RACE...? snail pace!
soo many scream about the importance of team work and yet
F__k all seem to have the skills to actualy work as a team!
WHAT ARE THE SCHOOLS TEACHING?

anywho enough ranting for now :D

peace... and big firey bombs to all taliban supporters
may their allys burn in the fire of their own making.
SEXUAL EQUALITY..... does anyone see a patern here?
*the more women are respected as equal to men...
the more advanved the society!!!

groove on all :)

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
peace... and big firey bombs to all taliban supporters
may their allys burn in the fire of their own making.

Was that a joke or just a unconscious way of saying you are not really into social evolution?

Originally posted by Muliboy
Was that a joke or just a unconscious way of saying you are not really into social evolution?

To bombed these guys would be social evolution.

Originally posted by MuliBoy

quote:
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Originally posted by ripleofdeath
peace... and big firey bombs to all taliban supporters
may their allys burn in the fire of their own making.
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Was that a joke or just a unconscious way of saying you are not really into social evolution?

I'm not so sure that the Taliban is into social evolution just yet, either! I'm not sure how people that want to beat women who's veils fall are ready for anything, but the Middle Ages?
By the way, stop trimming your beards men, it is unlawful!! And stop listening to those cassette tapes of evil Western music, you know which ones I'm talking about!!!
All kidding aside, how do we learn to tolerate each other, without resorting to guns and missiles?

This is a society that hasn´t outgrown warfare. Fighting is a part of human nature, but intelligence and compassion are the tools that in time will eradicate the conflict "solving" through arms.

Yeah, these ppl are deluded but so are those of you who think there is a higher purpose to fighting them. The reason that they are being bombed is not to rid the world of terror. Anone knows terror will only increase. It is not a war of religion, or to liberate the opressed masses.

It is the goverment showing strength and executing the animal alphamale reaction of punching out the contender. Simple revenge.
Trekkies should remember Picards crusade against the borg.
Trekkies should remember Kirks hatred towards the klingon.

Just sick of the GungHo attitude of Counterstrike fed kids.
Killing and fighting is all very cool on tv, but in reality every dead man, woman and child is a crime.

(off the soapbox now :))

I not sure where humanity stacks up to our fantasy cultures; ST, B5, or SW? Because even the Vulcans have problems (or did we just add them, so they wouldn't be so perfect?).

I think B5 was wery succesfull in showing that, that no one is full of evil or a saint.

Star Trek´s soceity though, is much more interesting than B5´s, I think. The societies of B5 are much more realistic but not so interesting as Star Trek´s and so I don´t think Star Trek shows enough of the soceity of federation. People want action, phasers, photon torpedos and starhips exploding (or atleast the makers of ST think so), I would really want that they would for example release some encyclopedia in which they would tell about the society of different empires and the latest state of of the alpha sector.

Also it would be fine if this homosexuality subject would be covered, and generally, sexuality. For example people could go to change theyr sexuality and alter theyr body, just to experience what it feels like to be a man/woman etc.

Originally posted by Yang´s_Matrix
People want action, phasers, photon torpedos and starhips exploding (or atleast the makers of ST think so)
They had their chance on DS9, they could have explored the inner workings of everyone's minds, thought patterns, histories, myths, (all things they touched on). It could have been a soap opera (too?). But they finally settled for war! Too bad.



I would really want that they would for example release some encyclopedia in which they would tell about the society of different empires and the latest state of of the alpha sector.
After seeing the new 'Enterprise' series, I think the writers should be required to read this encyclopedia, there is supposed to be continuity in the ST world. Vulcans being deceitful, hiding spy equipment, getting beat up by a human? I don't think so!!!!

hey all :)

it would be nice to know that karmic justice...as such...will intervien in such intollerent situations, ... though we all seem to know it wont stop the tide of mamalian blood lust and
bad breeding :(

just imagine the fear of the devout reliouse people when they find out there child is in love with a alien creature with no sexual deffinition!!!
its just too damn un-Godly!!!

:rolleyes:

... where have all the role models gone.... long time passing...

its all wrong!!!
most are too un educated to realise and most of the rest just dont want to admit it in fear of how it will label thier actions to date.

isnt it lucky we have developed on earth... or we would have been eradicated like the filthey plague most have become!!!

when will those who control the laws seek to make all such "inhumane " actions illegal...?
are ETs the only hope we have to cut the strings of wealth that control and administer the fear that most people call society?

capitalistism... a word to mean not caring or sharing
communism... a word to mean no thought in sharing with no caring.
socialism... a heavenly virtue un obtainable by the fallen mankind.

:/
when is someone going to try and fix it rather than fixate on it???

oopse... i fell off my slippery soap box :D
ps, spelling not checked

groove on all :)

ohh... and as for Star Trek what happened to good old space exploration and scientific research?
A.I is uppon us yet we look to our own material reflection for inspiration of others???... good luck :/

:)

We need more minds like yours, Ed, you should make all the rules and the world would be a better place. Maybe if you focus your agression a little more you can concress it into a larger-than-life dildo. Hump who you want to hump and everyone you're not humping can hump who they want. Why let it "make you sick", don't think about it and it won't bother you anymore, unless you have some "issues" and can't get it out of your mind. What are you doing on this forum anyway, shouldn't you be on, say NRA's website? Evolve and shrug off your animal mentality and maybe someone will take you seriosly. It was a simple postulation as to why homosexuality hasn't been incorporated in Star Trek. Whatever.. ...And I'm not even remotely homosexual, if I get it why can't you? Don't get mad now...get laid 'cause it sounds like you just might need it.

Babelina is not me.... :mad:

There has been numerous stabs and homosexuality and Bi-sexuality in star trek. There have been aliens with no gender too. Deep Space Nine had the "controversial" kiss between two females. Besides, star trek is supposed to be set at a time when the earth gave up racism and bigotry and lives in peace with themselves. I guess small minds don't comprehend things that are not "the norm" , I guess we just have to hope for a society like star trek because after reading some of the posts in here, I see that we are no where a peaceful existance.

We all forget that star trek hasnt really shown a big side of is religion. There were a few episodes where things got like that' but it was Klingons and the changlings being apparent "gods". There was one episode of DS9 that had some preachers in it but they were the bad guys. When was the last time you saw a star fleet officer prey? Maybe thats how everyone lives in peace because theres no one around to say "HEY YOU SHOULDNT BE DOING THAT!"
and im saying "maybe" a big MAYBE i dont mean to offend anyone or start a religious chat. Thats the last thing we need.

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
We all forget that star trek hasnt really shown a big side of is religion. There were a few episodes where things got like that
Unsure, but I think all of ST didn't have religious overtones, more like what is 'life', 'sentience', 'AI rights', 'ecology', 'war', 'socology' and 'culture'? Am I right?


There was one episode of DS9 that had some preachers in it but they were the bad guys.
The Vulcans in all the ST's had rituals, IDIC, meditation, & asceticism. The Bajorans on DS9 were overtly religious, with priests, priestesses & prophets. Some TOS dealt with gods & immortality, "who mourns for Adonis?" and "Methuselah". And Voyager had the Klingons in the Delta Quadrant.

When was the last time you saw a star fleet officer prey? Maybe thats how everyone lives in peace because theres no one around to say "HEY YOU SHOULDNT BE DOING THAT!"
No, I think that each person is supposed to be tolerant of others & keep their views to themselves unless asked? But 'Enterprise'-era humans seem to be anti-Vulcan to me. No, IDIC apparent in that series.


and im saying "maybe" a big MAYBE i dont mean to offend anyone or start a religious chat. Thats the last thing we need.
What? Why would it be the last thing we need? All people have a philosophy (religion, world-view) that they live by, that tells them what is true or false, what it is, etc.. (your statement implies that), why, are we suppose to be 'Vulcans' here, with so called 'pure logic'? Which many times does not serve them well(or is that the human writers showing through?).

CounslerCoffee,

Star Trek did deal with relgion. Maybe not al the time, but they met with alien species all the time where they had to deal with relgions different than what they were used to. DS9 was based on relgion and war (the two go hand in hand). Star trek's humans have evolved past worshiping as basis for their life. I am not saying that they are perfect, far from it, there is still war and yes even racism towards other alien life forms, but at least they think for themselves and don't let things like relgion and homosexuality bother them, such minute things.

Randolfo,

you are right

you wrote"Unsure, but I think all of ST didn't have religious overtones, more like what is 'life', 'sentience', 'AI rights', 'ecology', 'war', 'socology' and 'culture'? Am I right? "

All those things were dealt with in star trek but it will always go back to relgion because unfortunately that is what people live their lives by.

hey all :)

ok so we have a saying "F__k you"-
we have Rape-
we have .. a male dominated society-

as sexuality is such a personal part of each person it realy seems obviouse to me that the mear refference to it, insites emotion.
this could be used to set the mood... ! ... ?
set an idea.
set an opposing view for teens to rebel against.
set a mood of norm and or societal perversion.

hence a topic which dwels heavily in the psyche and is not addressed seriously to evalute on a social interaction level.

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side thought... spok/vulcan..... = A.I/Android life form, hence based on human logic!!! - luckly technology is beter now!!! :D
or is the term zeta reticuli relevant here??? / Orion. ... ?
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

people speak in innuendoes and gossip/rumours of projected self lothing of perversive self labeling.
... in a reverse psychology type way as common practice... (opinionated)

Re: MuliBoy :)
i believe in education not domination but i feel we have not yet the technology to deal with such radical extreemists and as long as Loch-Head ( LOL... oooppss... not now :D )
are suplying thousands of jobs with funding from the defence budget of the U.S.A to the people who "just want to have a simple life"
war is the only steady economy that all the 'super powers'
can maintain.
people will be made rich from the strike on the W.T.C buildings and O.B-L is used as the whipping boy.
the C.I.A were waiting for the rite time to INITIATE thier big budget 'TOP-UP'
perfect...
*****HOW can a country like the U.S.A preach and uphold the concept of freedom when oral and some other types of sex are illegal in your own bedroom????????????????????????????????
HAND IN HAND with your (spelling?) baligomy law.

THE STORY......
a seed is sown in the culture of a nation by its addiction to T.V (most if not all western culture)
type of seed = Radical juncster position of ideals that delve into private lives...HENCE-BATTLE OF THE SEXES.
next- create fear and mistrust.
next- strengthen dualities like one rule for the rich and elite
and a differrent one for the poor.
next- monopolise all technology and knoledge.
NEXT take away all services from the low income people.
invoke laws that target poor/poverty demographics.

BLAH BLAH BLAH
and so it all goes on!
is anyone realy listening?
does anyone realy care enough to at least talk about it?
NOTE- talking about something does not mean trying different ways to tell someone they are wrong or miss guided!!!
Is there anything left of what we once called personal space?


yawn ... yawn..
another dawn.
a-waits with great expectation.
while we perfect,
procrastination.


im keeping my fingers crossed... as such :D


groove on all.

Originally posted by ripleofdeath

as sexuality is such a personal part of each person it realy seems obviouse to me that the mear refference to it, insites emotion.
this could be used to set the mood... ! ... ?
set an idea.
set an opposing view for teens to rebel against.
set a mood of norm and or societal perversion.
hence a topic which dwels heavily in the psyche and is not addressed seriously to evalute on a social interaction level.
Could anyone evaluate their belief system; who they are, why they are that way, what proofs they need to believe in something, what they can or can't accept for themselves. Sexuality may cut too deep into who & what we are, can we explain why we do things or behave in certain ways? And explain it logically?

side thought... spok/vulcan..... = A.I/Android life form, hence based on human logic!!! - luckly technology is beter now!!! what? is this response to...
Originally posted by RandolfoUnsure, but I think all of ST didn't have religious overtones, more like what is 'life', 'sentience', 'AI rights', 'ecology', 'war', 'sociology' and 'culture'?
Am I right?

as long as Loch-Head...
are suplying thousands of jobs with funding from the defence budget of the U.S.A to the people who "just want to have a simple life"
war is the only steady economy that all the 'super powers'
can maintain.
people will be made rich from the strike on the W.T.C buildings and O.B-L is used as the whipping boy.
the C.I.A were waiting for the rite time to INITIATE thier big budget 'TOP-UP'
perfect...
Since NZ is a part of the Western world, (specifically the English-speaking world), I'm sure that you can understand the way power has been welded by those countries that have been in ascendancy; Rome, the Ottomans, England, now what do you think a superpower is supposed to do in this type of socio-ecomonic-politicol world? Should the US be better than England? The English perfected 'divide and conquer' and the effective use of mampower, commerce and colonies. Direct impact lasted for about 3 hundred years (1621 to 1945), continued impact, well look around you.

*****HOW can a country like the U.S.A preach and uphold the concept of freedom when oral and some other types of sex are illegal in your own bedroom????????????????????????????????
HAND IN HAND with your (spelling?) baligomy law.
Shucks, I didn't know freedom was so fragile? Plus, I think most of those laws came from Anglo-Saxon Puritans? No?

THE STORY......
a seed is sown in the culture of a nation by its addiction to T.V (most if not all western culture)
type of seed = Radical juncster position of ideals that delve into private lives...HENCE-BATTLE OF THE SEXES.
next- create fear and mistrust.
next- strengthen dualities like one rule for the rich and elite
and a differrent one for the poor.
next- monopolise all technology and knoledge.
NEXT take away all services from the low income people.
invoke laws that target poor/poverty demographics.

BLAH BLAH BLAH
and so it all goes on!
is anyone realy listening?
does anyone realy care enough to at least talk about it?
I know, discussion & debate is how we either resolve differences or at least learn about each other.

NOTE- talking about something does not mean trying different ways to tell someone they are wrong or miss guided!!!
Is there anything left of what we once called personal space?

In NZ what do you mean,"personal space"? Here, it can either be your 'bubble'(the space at arms' length around you) or your 'head'(were you keep things & thoughts to yourself).

What? Why would it be the last thing we need? All people have a philosophy People go nuts over it thats why. As for DS9 I rarely watched and I must have forgot about those religious zealots the Bajorans. Im sliping in my old age (18). Do you think that vulcans really believe in "A" god? No somehow I doubt it, wouldnt that just screw up there logic? And that episode with the Klingons on voyager proves my point, religion brings out the craziness in people. hey werent they the bad guys in that episode after all?

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
Im sliping in my old age (18).
You're funny, bet you can't wait until you totally lose it at 19!!
:D :D :D Do you feel those brain cells dying, while your hair gets greyer? LOL, you're funny!!! I guess at 46, I'm just lucky I can still walk & talk at the same time!!!

Do you think that vulcans really believe in "A" god? No somehow I doubt it, wouldnt that just screw up there logic?
They believe in an afterlife, it seems, a collective-type soul where memories are stored, I forget the whole story.


And that episode with the Klingons on voyager proves my point, religion brings out the craziness in people. hey werent they the bad guys in that episode after all?
No, just misguided. B'Lanna's baby was a type of warrior messiah for those Klingons, that would bring greatness to the Empire once again.

hey all :)

CounslerCoffee
i think i remember an episode of ST when the crew observed a vulcan sociatal ritual, which i cant remember much about :(
except that spok or another vulcan (in federation familiarity)
participated and it involved a few flags and lots of people,blah blah...
old one anywho! :D
try not to bang your head too hard on the bounderies of scollasticly facilitated narrowmindedly apendage rendering tickey-tackey box production line knoledge glazing cattle runs for "tomorrows Future"
:rolleyes:
point of Basic warlike nature...
"utilise all possible means"
...anywho...! :)
most people get past it if only just a little way and now you see you must rise to the challenge, and choose a side and ....
be a good soldier. ... :rolleyes:
...if you choose honour, in time you will read it in the eyes of closest friends and life may change again.
or are we all just
mammalian omnivoure global predators expanding at a rate of unsusstainable population growth, evolutionaly impeeded and victim to cyclic distructive, ego-greed motivated, character flaw,... exstinction immenant ! ???

Randolfo



[QUOTE]Since NZ is a part of the Western world, (specifically the English-speaking world), I'm sure that you can understand the way power has been welded by those countries that have been in ascendancy; Rome, the Ottomans, England, now what do you think a superpower is supposed to do in this type of socio-ecomonic-politicol world?
---
Rip> and give away all my secret plans to those who might seek to share power?
...nya ha haa...
---
Should the US be better than England?
---
Rip>im sure the U.S.A will make sure they aren't.
buy the rite person in the rite place and "vwul-la"
True capitalism @ work! :D
---
The English perfected 'divide and conquer' and the effective use of mampower, commerce and colonies. Direct impact lasted for about 3 hundred years (1621 to 1945), continued impact, well look around you.

... hhhmmm...
im talking of cultures and civilisations while you seem to be
pointing-out a small ( :D ) time frame.
do you see this as a crucial step in something?

do you see us as 'doomed to be a resource'?
yes it is all very complex and ...?
well just plain wow!
but we need to excell at "driving the car we make"


groove on all :)

It's disappointing to see so many people equating sexuality with sex. Certain angry people on this thread being completely even manically obsessed with the gay sex act. It should be noted that while many straight people are celibate many gay people are also.

As to 'queers' not being born, I would recommend a search on the topic 'xq28' a sequnce in the human genome I can assure you, peer pressure would create diamonds before it would create gays.

You don't have to guard your arse by shoving your head up it!

Possibly the problems are to do with jealousy. After all, gays, dress better, age better, get on better with women, understand human nature better, and let's not forget, get tons and tons and tons more sex than most straight people. Of course gays are bad when they display such an example of freestyle hedonism.

And before you go down the wrath of god 'AIDS is the scourge of the lord bullshit.' please remember that over 70% of people living with H.I.V. on the planet today are straight .

Sorry to have ranted away from the thread somewhat I did wonder what a gay bar on the borg homeworld would be like.
Or what it would be like to confronted with an ex hillbilly borg. "resitance is footle .. Gahuh!!

Kirk had a great ass by the way:D

Originally posted by bbcboy
You don't have to guard your arse by shoving your head up it!LOL! :D Hope you don't mind if I borrow that one...I did wonder what a gay bar on the borg homeworld would be like."You WILL be ass-immelated."

Peace all.

Originally posted by bbcboy
Possibly the problems are to do with jealousy. After all, gays, dress better, age better, get on better with women, understand human nature better,
You have to be kidding? My aren't we a wee bid conceded? Are these facts or anecdotal? Are we rationalizing a bid here?

and let's not forget, get tons and tons and tons more sex than most straight people.
I think it's all about the sex; people have to rationalize their beliefs or behaviors to themselves & others. I think 'gays' take the easy way out, it's easier to convince another horny man, to have sex, that to take the time or money to woo a female of the species. Or they never learned all the secrets of ' to date & mate' rituals. It's all learned behavior, except for the actual sex act, once started our bodies know what to do.
Anyway, why would 'nature' make some people 'gay' & others 'straight'? Are 'gays' mutants or evolving into a separate species ( Homo Sapiens Sapient Homosexual= Knowing Man that knows he is Homosexual)? What purpose does it serve to be 'gay' in nature? If it's that 'xq28' gene you talked about, is it just a mutation that leads to change (like green eyes), or predisposition toward (like a cancer gene, not everybody gets it) or an error (like Down's syndrome)? Explain.

Of course gays are bad when they display such an example of freestyle hedonism.
I think that goes for anybody that flaunts excess.

Sorry to have ranted away from the thread somewhat I did wonder what a gay bar on the borg homeworld would be like.
Or what it would be like to confronted with an ex hillbilly borg. "resitance is footle .. Gahuh!!
Too funny, but would or could Borg be 'gay', & like who would want to sleep with them? Would they have synthetic 'enhanced' appendages?

Kirk had a great ass by the way:D
You're not supposed to look you know, you wandering eyes you.

P.S. can I email your original post to some friends, they should get a laugh!!!:D :D :) :D

hey all :)

my use of the word appendages is for arms not organs!

bbcboy...
your quote about the head up the arse has got to be the best ive heard in a while!
soo completly terran in first impresion it kinda breeds selective thought! :D

women = xx
men = xy

what do men have that women don't, ... and
what is it that men have of women (x)?

so does that suggest that only women are uni sexual in design and therefore makes a mockery of the concept of lesbian love?
...!!! im stereo typing for argument sake here!!!

without the the underlying WAR OF THE SEX'S
as a stepping stone to the WAR OF sexuality
we could get far too close to a state of peaceful existance!!!

TWO CONSENTING PEOPLE WHOM ARE NOT "DOING DAMAGE"
MUST SURELY BE CREATING! ... ?


groove on all :)

Yo randolfo, Glad you got a kick and please email whatever to whoever with my blessing.

The FACTS are as I have seen them. I've had sexual relationship[s with both sexes and found them all to be quite easy. Your supposition has one flaw tho'

If you'd had the experiences I'd had when growing up, the bullying, the beatings and the constant name calling,
(Fuck sticks and stones IT HURTS)
Then you'd know that being gay is by no means the easy option. The easy option would be to hide under the pretense of a little wife 2.2 kids and a hound of some description in a nice little suburb somewhere. To me it is my nature and I've had to fight all the way to come to the stage where I'm comfortable with it.

As to it all being about sex.

Myself and my partner have been togethere almost three years.

We still hold hands and everyday we say I love you and mean it.

We probably have sex about three time a week. Just like most straight couples.

Hope this helps you understand a little more and rememeber nature makes earthquakes, volcanos, twisters and evangelists
Why not gays?

Originally posted by bbcboy
Yo randolfo, Glad you got a kick and please email whatever to whoever with my blessing.
I wasn't sure if you were bragging or just trying to see if you got a rise out of someone; but it did have some funny & interesting stuff

If you'd had the experiences I'd had when growing up, the bullying, the beatings and the constant name calling,
(Fuck sticks and stones IT HURTS)
I can understand that, but I find that beatings don't stop a lot of behaviors, both good or bad

Then you'd know that being gay is by no means the easy option. The easy option would be to hide under the pretense of a little wife 2.2 kids and a hound of some description in a nice little suburb somewhere.
I'm surprised that many people still do that, then suddenly find that they can't live that way, and get out of the 'closet', leaving a lot of confused victims

To me it is my nature and I've had to fight all the way to come to the stage where I'm comfortable with it.
You may believe that, and who knows? it may be true?

As to it all being about sex.

For people with little or no options, it's the easy way. As an example, here in Fresno, they had a sting to catch people having sex in a park's restroom, they caught all sorts of men, government employees on County-time too. I think it's like a sex addiction.

Hope this helps you understand a little more and rememeber nature makes earthquakes, volcanos, twisters
On many things there is still a debate going on between, nature & nurture

and evangelists
Why not gays?
this is more nurture on both counts, remember that humans get to choose many things, (some choices are narrowed by our cultural, societal, & personal beliefs). It's hard to tell if we end up believing things because we rationalize them, want them to be true or because we 'know' they are true?

I never felt the need to get a rise out of people. quite the opposite. Unfortunately some people can get the occasional rise outta me so I find myself sounding off. Then shuffle away embarrassed cos I don't quite recognise myself in the crazed lunatic Phaze.

When people try to understand me and My nature I'm more than happy to assist, and answer as many questions as truthfully as I know how It just pisses me off when they try to do it in a discreditory way like my head has a zipper up the back and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.

The last, the very last thing I wanted on this earth was to be gay and the prospect tormented me as a child. Now I understand it as the beauty and joy of my life and I wouldn't change a day of it.

Ask any gay man the same question. Did you want to be gay? You'll find very few who jumped thru flaming hoops at the prospect. There simply was NO CHOICE!! I refused to hurt those victims of which you speak but in my job I see them every single day. And it happens more than you know. This is what, where and when I am and it's quite beautiful. Not for everyone, just beautiful all the same.

Surely that's all that matters.

Oh and on the subject of toiletsex it might work for George Michael but it was never my thing.

"What's your cologne dear?"

"Alpine fresh!!"

Nah!!

If you wanna discuss this anymore it may be a good idea to pm me so's we're out of peoples way. If not catch ya out there
:cool:

Randolfo
You have to be kidding? My aren't we a wee bid conceded? Are these facts or anecdotal? Are we rationalizing a bid here?

I'm not sure how it is in the US, but in the UK, it is more likely, not definite but more likely that per capita, gays spend more time and effort on themselves.

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If you'd had the experiences I'd had when growing up, the bullying, the beatings and the constant name calling,
(Fuck sticks and stones IT HURTS)
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Randolfo
I can understand that, but I find that beatings don't stop a lot of behaviors, both good or bad.

should they?
what category, good or bad would being different fall into? Good or bad?

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To me it is my nature and I've had to fight all the way to come to the stage where I'm comfortable with it.
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Randolfo
You may believe that, and who knows? it may be true?

Please clarify..
Believe what?
Perhaps bbcboy knows his own truth.
What more can any of us hope for than to know our own truth?

Randolfo
On many things there is still a debate going on between, nature & nurture

I am a believer in the nurture aspect, in something like 75% of gay people as the catalyst for homosexuality.

My first fantasies were about girls, but that all fell down when I had a better idea of the way things work in the world.
The thing that made me change, I suppose was having a girlfriend at the age of seven who beat me up.
Nurture!

Wow, I didn't know that was in there!

:)

In the new series, pre -Kirk; I find that the acting is so wooden that I am sure they are all (pc) gay (unpc) puffs (very upc) shirtlifters! For the first time ever I am not going to bother watching any more. I am/was a big Trekkie fan too. This is only my opinion and I welcome the freedom of speech to utter these few words................. :rolleyes:

Thing is the newest trek has a little something for everyone. I refer you to the shower scene (episode one) with Trip and the vulcan 7of9 where do ya buy those blue 'starfleet issue' pants.
You could tell the guys religion for venus' sake :cool:

Although I don't understand the facination, here's a little link (http://www.gayleague.com/forums/articles/gaytrektimeline.html) for you guys that might put back on "Trek" (lame pun, sorry) with the original posting's intent. I cannot vouch for it's accuracy, but it does tie to statements I've heard in this thread and in other message boards that I haunt.

Peace.

And dont forget the DS9 episode where Dax bumped into an old lover who was now in a female host , and trill society forbids the very interaction they partook in

I think every guy in Star Trek looks a bit queer with their tight clothes... what is the idea with everyone looking exactly like everyone anyway? Is their a point to that?

I blame it all on the commies Jez.

by Jez
I think every guy in Star Trek looks a bit queer with their tight clothes...

Oh Jez how 1900's:D

Originally posted by Jez
I think every guy in Star Trek looks a bit queer with their tight clothes... what is the idea with everyone looking exactly like everyone anyway? Is their a point to that?

I just visualised a 50 year old gay James Doohan.
Not pretty.

Why does everyone look alike?
Well since they dont, I assume you mean in terms of dress.

We call it uniform.

Star Trek has always refered to our current society by metaphor, some obvious and some rather subtle. Typically sexuality is not dealt with heavily, though their are a few episodes were it is brought up.
I'm not a big enough Trekkie to give you the episode name, but there is a TNG episode where Riker falls for a member of a race who supressed their sexuality and raises their kids from genetic samples. At the end of the episode she is apprehended and operated on to alter her urges.
While its not homosexual, the episode does provide some commentary on the foolishness of demanding that all members of our species submit to archaic notions of sexuality.

LOOK

I was reading one of the star trek books and it said quite plainly that the guy who was asimilated in his space suit (in first contact) was actully gay

SO THERE

There is NOTHING wrong with someone being gay

Im not but i wouldn't care if my kid was

What makes the lack of gays in star trek more "Wholesom"

GOD some of the things hedrosexuals do :eek:

Finally got around to reading this thread and LMFAO!

How come no one has pointed out the lack of children aboard the
Enterprise ... most of the time. Do remember a few episodes, but
they have been few and far between.

Considering the problem in the military, particularly the Navy, with,
I believe, something like a 6 to 8% pregnancy rate, I would imagine
a starship on multi-year long tours of duty would be overrun with
ankle biters.

So, since that isn't the case ... Hmm.

Take care ;)

Originally posted by Radical <img src="http://www.sciforums.com/avatar.php?userid=2715&dateline=993945716">


actualy it is now belived that some cases of being gay are due to ones DNA.



are you sure that you are not gay? {not that there is something wrong with it} studies also claim the ones that are most homophobic are actualy gays and are ashamed of it.

i for an instance do not care
<B>hey the more gays there are out there means more girls for me.</B>






hmm yhe right with all those girls in the short skirts

and kirk going on as landing party to every fu_cking planet they reach and faces amazons{must resist atomizing disruppter ray and do the leader}
yhe right kirk is gay (dude no1 ever claimed kirk and spock were gays)




hmm maybe he is the one from the villige people??!?

one must be very crazy to come up with something as stupid as the ANDROMEDA(it is like the power rangers meet xena with a plot more stupid)

<font size="3">How dare a freak like YOU, <img src="http://www.sciforums.com/avatar.php?userid=2715&dateline=993945716">who portrays himself as an alien call Gene Roddenbury a member of the VillIage People!:mad:

Besides, how can you claim to not be one of those if you have nothing against it?

Hell no, I'm not swishy swanger, Radical. But I think you really are!

According to The Book, everyone should avoid these types!<font size>

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heyya all :)

Chagur...
good point...
maybe it just plays to the headonistic desire of youthfull beauty???

or everyone lives soo long its kinda like not seen as a socialy accepted thing???

like... ummm
being a strait single white middle aged employed male
with no criminal record or children...

makes allot of people nervouse :D :D :D

keep groovin all :)

:)

just a little personal update...
it has come to my attention that homosexuality is a symptomatic
result of social and genetic disfunction combined.
in just the same way as a hetrosexual person might always talk about sex or refer things (render) to a sexual nature.

as long as people advertise what they do in the bedroom infront of children the problems will persist.

it is sexualy perversive to label oneself as a result of sexual practice!

too many disfunctional people wish to dictate what people can and cant do in the bedroom!

and then use the diversity to label there own disfunction as normal in comparrison.
i am yet to meet 2 women who like sex in the exact same manner!!!

sorry girls i can hear you screaming the 2 minute dash and then unconseuse sleep...
BUT you choose what you want by accepting what is!
abstanence can be a powerful tool in an "honest relationship".
sexual disfunction is HUGE and in many different interactions.
selfish sex is worse than not having any, in my book!

#AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE SELFISH SEX MOST OF THE TIME!

groove on all :)

Star Trek is a fantasy sci fi series, why on earth would homosexuality need to be included. Would Captain Janeway having a lesbian affair with 7 of 9 added anything to the program?. We have enough soap opera's and politically correct 'drama' programmes' showing the 'gay' side of life. Maybe it it you that has a problem with bigotry ?.

<biting my fingers> In the future, they find a cure for homosexuality. Millions are saved.

aghart
do a little more study before you start making yourself look like someone trying to lash-out from personal insecurity!
(you are displaying the tactics of a biggot!)

Bowser
funny joke ha ha
theres no point in curing homosexuality until people are ready to accept limits to quanities of ofspring(children).

its just a useful tool to keep the birth rate down and the merchandising up.
homosexuals are one of the biggest disposable income brackets after 10-15 yearold girls!

the cure was found in public science about 5-10 years ago
its just that soo many self proclamied hetrosexual men are sexualy disfunctional its laughfable.

and they actual increase the rate by creating the anti christ of thier own disfunction in the eyes of thier children LOL

but hey...
what would i know
i dont even have sex :D

grove on all :)

What do you mean, there are no gays in Star Trek??!!

Have you never seen the looks Riker gives to Picard??? And how he leans so dramatically on one side of his chair just to be that little bit closer to his beloved captain?!!
Its so obvious people!

Oh and then there's Garak and Doctor Bashir - do I even need to explain that one?

Tsk.:rolleyes:

heyya all :)


Gizz
wouldn't it be nice if people could just love each other without someone trying to tell them to have sex!
i guess lack of personal development in alot of people drives them to try to meddle and fantasies about things they think they do not have the maturity/self esteem/and personal respect of themselfs to allow freedom to choose to do or not do.

Most people cannot differentiate between sex (passion/lust)
and love in there current relationship so they try to drive others into their own perversive thinking.
and then it rubs off on the kids!
so the parents and adults pervert the child sexuality before the child knows how to spell the word!

there are soo many words that mean soo many different things
pertaining to

friendship companionship respect admiration lonelyness desire sex sexual desire lust pasion sexual attraction emotional attraction intrigue sexual intrigue...

and yet soo many people seem to make them all mean the same thing in all languages LOL
you gotta laugh otherwise you wouldn't stop crying :eek:

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above

They seem to be putting it in whenever possible these days........Its hard to take a 6yr old and 10 yr old to the movies lately.....I know i will spell it wrong but that Taledega nights....was a surprise to me some of things they said.....then lets see Wild hogs........ummm Havent seen it yet but that Blades of Glory...... I mean Brokeback mountain was about that the whole movie i get that, i liked it (my bf did not!!!) man thing and all. But do they need to pop it into every other movie.....

They seem to be putting it in whenever possible these days........Its hard to take a 6yr old and 10 yr old to the movies lately.....I know i will spell it wrong but that Taledega nights....was a surprise to me some of things they said.....then lets see Wild hogs........ummm Havent seen it yet but that Blades of Glory...... I mean Brokeback mountain was about that the whole movie i get that, i liked it (my bf did not!!!) man thing and all. But do they need to pop it into every other movie.....

Babe,

This is called "thread necromancy" this thread is 4 years old. Some of the original posters might even be dead.

Yes brokeback was lame.

[QUOTE=nietzschefan;1417613]Babe,

This is called "thread necromancy" this thread is 4 years old. Some of the original posters might even be dead.

Yes brokeback was lame.[/QUOTE

Yeah well what do I know...........thats why i have you......you know EVERYTHING....:shrug:

Yay for necromancy. Ignore him. He's just being an old grump.

On top of that, all those that could have a relationship with Daxx in Deep Space 9 are contemplaiting sleeping with a symbiont that use to live in a man, which mean Daxx must be gay.


There was one episode ("Rejoined") where Jadzia Dax met up with a former wife from a past life (another joined trill) who was also in a female host, and they reignited their love affair. (When Dax and the other trill had been married previouslty, Dax was male and the other as female.) Obviously, the episode was a little vague about whether or not "the deed" was done, but there was a lesbian kiss on screen once the pair found some privacy. Also, Ezri Dax in the Mirror Universe as clearly a lesbian, and kissed the mirror version of Kira Nerys.

I really don't like it in Trek...It's illogical
I just ignore it when they show it. Trek has always been about good family values...Even when Jadzia and that other woman did kiss...one of them used to be a man....so it's not really homosexual...but technicialy yest...Yet that is how I deal with it.

TNG is so classy, don't you remember the episode that turned the issue on its head? They discovered a planet where everyone was the same, they had only one sex. But some people had urges to be "masculine" or "feminine"--to be heterosexual.

And they were persecuted by their culture! Ostracized, given wacky medical treatments, they were determined to "cure" these people.

Ryker had the hots for one of them.

Somebody else resurrected another thread from 2003 a couple of days ago in a different subforum.

Seems to me that the nature of nature
is to reproduce & reproduce wildly.

Case in point, bacteria reproduce every 20 minutes
Fish reproduce by the hundreds
Trees reproduce by the thousands
Cats reproduce by the litter (I guess there’s so many, they litter the place?)
Humans can reproduce every year

If nature is in control, then logically Homosexuality is flawed, because it does not reproduce itself except by recruitment, or flawed behavior to instinctual cues
They must rely on the “breeders” to restock their gene pool, or take the Mary Cheney way, curiously using human male sperm, not homo-, bi- or tri-sexual oovai

I will admit that it could be natural, as in a stressed response to an overload of chemicals in our environment or to serious overcrowding, but then it becomes a population limiter, defect or control

or maybe even a new mutation, that will some day produce a new primate species, like Homo Homo Gaius (Human Gay man) or Homo Hema Festus (Human festive woman)

of course it is fiction, so Star Trek can postulate any future, lifestyle, or tradtion in its chronicles, even a gay future, it could even use the Spartan Model of ancient Greece

for now, Homosexuality is a cultural construct, its un-natural, because
if homosexuality is natural, how did nature intend them to reproduce?

Trek has always been about good family values....

Kirk shagging his way across the Galaxy in his flash spaceship is 'family values' is it?

There was alot of homosexuality in st
.......In My Dreams



I want kirks hot MAN JELL

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u235/pugglekicker_21/startrekkirkfr5uk5.gif

yes i did, yes i did

The main reason for the lack of homosexuality until the later day TNG Novels,
is because they reflect the times, except when they had Uhura in The original series to promote reconciliation, otherwise the cast is generally the same, and reflect modern day thinking.

yes star trek is gay