anyone? im not sure where to post this. i hope this is the right area. if its not, mods... *waves* feel free to delete...

I wish there was a way to stop yourself from dreaming. As of late i keep having bad dreams everynight, ive even found myself not wanting to go to sleep just because i dont want to dream. i wouldnt call them "night terrors", but some have been almost that bad. ive had to make myself wake up from af ew of them.

I keep having dreams about violence, people fighting, people murdering people! its been just about everynight for about a month now.
f***ing dreams are wearing me thin!

last night wasnt too bad, but then i never fully let my self fall alseep last night either.
saturday night in my dream i wasnt even me. i was a guy. and this crazy chick murdered the two girls that i guess were me and this other guys roommates. then me and the other guy locked ourselves in this conveinently placed jail cell so she couldnt get to us.
Im exhausted. you dont actually get rested when you have dreams like that all night.
*needs a nap*
it doesnt seem to matter what i do before bed either. i still have them. unless i sedate myself, or keep myself halfawake so i can change the dreams as they happen. last nights dreams were a jumbled mess because i wasnt completely asleep and i kept morphing them into something more fun when they started to get bad.
people at work today kept looking at me funny and telling me i look tired.
any thoughts? anything you think would help?
thanks.
-amber-

I keep having dreams about violence, people fighting, people murdering people!

So? What's the matter with that? Our entire culture is based on violence and death, why shouldn't you have dreams about it? The most popular video games are based on how well you can kill and maim others ...and they're considered fun and highly entertaining.

Hell, you should be enjoying your dreams, not be frightened of them. People pay good money to see movies like that, and you get 'em for free and you bitch about it. Hmm.

Baron Max

So? What's the matter with that? Our entire culture is based on violence and death, why shouldn't you have dreams about it? The most popular video games are based on how well you can kill and maim others ...and they're considered fun and highly entertaining.

Hell, you should be enjoying your dreams, not be frightened of them. People pay good money to see movies like that, and you get 'em for free and you bitch about it. Hmm.

Baron Max

haha thats true.
but thats also why i dont watch the news. and play few video games.
frightening isnt the word for them. i wouldnt mind them if they werent keeping me from getting rested.

I LOVE dreams, even the bad ones. Sometimes I know I'm in a dream and deliberately jump off buildings or cliffs just to see what happens. Usually I get the dropping stomach feeling, like a roller coaster. Or I'll run toward whatever is frightening me, to see what happens.

I try to take your problem more seriosuly, seems to me it actually bothers you, getting all these events and images which disturb your mind's peace.

My recommendation would be that:
find something if you have some free time to engage your mind in when you are awake. I recommend reading spititual stuff, (hah! spiritual stuff, got it got it?) as I noticed the more I try to deal with the spiritual, the less the mind cares about and invokes distrurbing ideas and thoughts from the unconscious mind. Not as I had have tons of them, (distrubing ideas, and not unconcius minds) but not many - if any - unconsicous is totally free of them, yes?

I'd say finding stuff you are interested in and feed the mind with information on that subject could be very useful and I'd say that would likely stop your mind building up repulsive dreams from the unconsicous. Keep us posted.

Genji, i love dreams too, they can be great fun, even the scary ones. ive always had rather odd twisted dreams. big houses with hidden passages, & ghosts. dreams with fire. ive had many with tornados.
the dreams just arent normally this disturbing or happen night after night after night.

hellyes, thanks for the ideas, ill try and see if it helps. :)



i dont want to sedate myself and just block them out. i cant ignore them.
i tend to pay attention to my dreams because i dream things before they happen. i didnt use to pay it much attention but then i dreamed about me being in a car wreck and didnt think anything of it, then 5 months later as i was losing control of my car headed straight at a telephone pole i remembered dreaming it before... now that is scary, realising 'OMG I know whats going to happen!'... and having no way to stop it.

luckily they arent normally anything that serious though. its generally part of a conversation with a friend, or watching someone so something. i dreamed of me watching someone at my old job organise hairdye boxes a few weeks before it happened! silly stuff normally!

none of these violent ones are likely to be something that happens. considering im not actually in most of them myself.

youll all think im nuts now *nods*
-amber-

An occasional bad dream... no big deal - but going on this long? Is there some strife or frustration in your life that you are finding difficult to deal with while awake?

Genji, i love dreams too, they can be great fun, even the scary ones. ive always had rather odd twisted dreams. big houses with hidden passages, & ghosts. dreams with fire. ive had many with tornados.
the dreams just arent normally this disturbing or happen night after night after night.

hellyes, thanks for the ideas, ill try and see if it helps. :)



i dont want to sedate myself and just block them out. i cant ignore them.
i tend to pay attention to my dreams because i dream things before they happen. i didnt use to pay it much attention but then i dreamed about me being in a car wreck and didnt think anything of it, then 5 months later as i was losing control of my car headed straight at a telephone pole i remembered dreaming it before... now that is scary, realising 'OMG I know whats going to happen!'... and having no way to stop it.

luckily they arent normally anything that serious though. its generally part of a conversation with a friend, or watching someone so something. i dreamed of me watching someone at my old job organise hairdye boxes a few weeks before it happened! silly stuff normally!

none of these violent ones are likely to be something that happens. considering im not actually in most of them myself.

youll all think im nuts now *nods*
-amber-I too have dreams of big houses or factories with dark narrow tunnels and a feeling of dread. Often I'm entangled or about to be entangled in a huge machine and I can't escape before it's turned on. Dreams of tornadoes too. But the landscape looks more like Tibet with a huge city built into the cliffs and the tornadoes are like 35,ooo feet tall ripping toward me. I squeeze through tiny passages and scamper to corners for cover.
But these dreams are the most intense I have, except for the occassional death in the family dream.

anyone? im not sure where to post this. i hope this is the right area. if its not, mods... *waves* feel free to delete...There are no rules about Free Thoughts. Anything goes. You might get a more academic answer in Psychology but you're doing okay so far.I wish there was a way to stop yourself from dreaming.There is. Many drugs suppress them but you'll end up feeling worse if not downright crazy.As of late i keep having bad dreams everynight, ive even found myself not wanting to go to sleep just because i dont want to dream. i wouldnt call them "night terrors", but some have been almost that bad. ive had to make myself wake up from a few of them.How old are you? That reaction is more typical of younger people. Their endocrine systems pump more adrenaline than ours so it makes the dreams feel like reality.I keep having dreams about violence, people fighting, people murdering people! its been just about everynight for about a month now.In Jung's models of dream interpretation, all the people are you, various aspects of you. Jung identified something like 23 "archetypes" of human character and we all have all of them in various proportions, and those proportions change from day to day and mood to mood. The Healer, the Lover, the Entertainer, the Leader, etc., this precise set of figures shows up in all the ancient polytheistic religions, right up through the plays of Shakespeare and the dramatis personae of soap operas. You can think of them as "spirits."

So a Jungian analyst would phrase the question as: "What parts of you are in conflict? Which of your spirits are so angry at each other that they're doing battle during the night, when you're not awake to overwhelm them with the learned and reasoned behavior of a civilized person?"

Do you have a big decision to make? Does your Scholar want to go to college, but your Lover wants to stay in town with your boyfriend or girlfriend, your Reveler wants to take a year off and see the world, and your Warrior wants to join the army and go kill some foreigners?

All of your spirits have a "dark side" which comes to the front if they've been suppressed. You're lucky that those dark sides are becoming visible during your dreams so you can figure out what is bothering those spirits. Many times people miss those clues until the dark sides have been festering for so long that they start oozing out through the cracks during waking life and causing real trouble in the real world.

Still, some of those spirits are more violent by nature even during good times, e.g. the Warrior and the Hunter. Others can easily become violent when they need to, such as the Parent if she feels the need to protect her child: the lovable, innocent child in you.

Try to be conscious of your thoughts and feelings when you're awake, and look for clues. Do you find yourself getting angry, wanting to break out of something that constrains you, feeling trapped by some decision that a younger version of you made when she didn't know any better, wishing a pox on some "enemy" who you can conveniently blame your problems on but only when you're not sleeping?saturday night in my dream i wasnt even me. i was a guy.We all have a masculine and feminine component to our spirit. You don't have to be a Jungian to figure that out, the ancient Chinese already had identified Yang and Yin in everything. That is you, but the fact that the masculine side of your spirit is dominant should tell you something about the nature of your inner conflict. Think of all the things that you identify with masculinity or maleness (don't look it up in a psychology book, this is about you). Do you feel conflicted about any of those things? Are you stuck in a traditionally feminine role but you wish you had more of the "freedom" you see us guys enjoy? Or are you stuck having to be a breadwinner or a single parent or some other strong role and you wish you could get a pedicure and a 'do once in a while? and this crazy chick murdered the two girls that i guess were me and this other guys roommates. then me and the other guy locked ourselves in this conveinently placed jail cell so she couldnt get to us.They are all you. Look at each character in this vignette and try to see something of yourself in them. Maybe that will help you sort out the conflict inside you.I'm exhausted. you dont actually get rested when you have dreams like that all night.No, but you need to have those dreams. Your unconscious is trying very hard to tell you something. Fortunately you are listening, a lot of people don't. All you need is some help understanding what it's saying and maybe some of this will help.i love dreams too, they can be great fun, even the scary ones. ive always had rather odd twisted dreams. big houses with hidden passages, & ghosts. dreams with fire. ive had many with tornados.If your Scholar is a strong spirit in you, I'd suggest that you actually study Jungian dream analysis. These images are all archetypes. Archetypes aren't just people, they are motifs of many sorts that occur in all cultures in all eras, like the world being washed clean by a flood or a dead hero being reborn. Identifying some of the typical meanings that the "collective unconscious" finds in these archetypes might help you dig down into your own unconscious.i tend to pay attention to my dreams because i dream things before they happen. i didnt use to pay it much attention but then i dreamed about me being in a car wreck and didnt think anything of it, then 5 months later as i was losing control of my car headed straight at a telephone pole i remembered dreaming it before... now that is scary, realising 'OMG I know whats going to happen!'... and having no way to stop it.Freud is falling into disrepute but the statement attributed to him, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" is still true. Your unconscious remembers the way the controls in your car felt when you were driving and can warn you that something needs to be repaired. Or it could be telling you that you don't pay enough attention when you're driving.youll all think im nuts nowWe don't all talk about our wacky dreams and some of us don't even remember them, but we all have them. They are very useful.An occasional bad dream... no big deal - but going on this long? Is there some strife or frustration in your life that you are finding difficult to deal with while awake?Well DMC said the same thing I said, but using a lot fewer words. :)

There are no rules about Free Thoughts. Anything goes. You might get a more academic answer in Psychology but you're doing okay so far.There is. Many drugs suppress them but you'll end up feeling worse if not downright crazy.How old are you? That reaction is more typical of younger people. Their endocrine systems pump more adrenaline than ours so it makes the dreams feel like reality.In Jung's models of dream interpretation, all the people are you, various aspects of you. Jung identified something like 23 "archetypes" of human character and we all have all of them in various proportions, and those proportions change from day to day and mood to mood. The Healer, the Lover, the Entertainer, the Leader, etc., this precise set of figures shows up in all the ancient polytheistic religions, right up through the plays of Shakespeare and the dramatis personae of soap operas. You can think of them as "spirits."

So a Jungian analyst would phrase the question as: "What parts of you are in conflict? Which of your spirits are so angry at each other that they're doing battle during the night, when you're not awake to overwhelm them with the learned and reasoned behavior of a civilized person?"

Do you have a big decision to make? Does your Scholar want to go to college, but your Lover wants to stay in town with your boyfriend or girlfriend, your Reveler wants to take a year off and see the world, and your Warrior wants to join the army and go kill some foreigners?

All of your spirits have a "dark side" which comes to the front if they've been suppressed. You're lucky that those dark sides are becoming visible during your dreams so you can figure out what is bothering those spirits. Many times people miss those clues until the dark sides have been festering for so long that they start oozing out through the cracks during waking life and causing real trouble in the real world.

Still, some of those spirits are more violent by nature even during good times, e.g. the Warrior and the Hunter. Others can easily become violent when they need to, such as the Parent if she feels the need to protect her child: the lovable, innocent child in you.

Try to be conscious of your thoughts and feelings when you're awake, and look for clues. Do you find yourself getting angry, wanting to break out of something that constrains you, feeling trapped by some decision that a younger version of you made when she didn't know any better, wishing a pox on some "enemy" who you can conveniently blame your problems on but only when you're not sleeping?We all have a masculine and feminine component to our spirit. You don't have to be a Jungian to figure that out, the ancient Chinese already had identified Yang and Yin in everything. That is you, but the fact that the masculine side of your spirit is dominant should tell you something about the nature of your inner conflict. Think of all the things that you identify with masculinity or maleness (don't look it up in a psychology book, this is about you). Do you feel conflicted about any of those things? Are you stuck in a traditionally feminine role but you wish you had more of the "freedom" you see us guys enjoy? Or are you stuck having to be a breadwinner or a single parent or some other strong role and you wish you could get a pedicure and a 'do once in a while?They are all you. Look at each character in this vignette and try to see something of yourself in them. Maybe that will help you sort out the conflict inside you.No, but you need to have those dreams. Your unconscious is trying very hard to tell you something. Fortunately you are listening, a lot of people don't. All you need is some help understanding what it's saying and maybe some of this will help.If your Scholar is a strong spirit in you, I'd suggest that you actually study Jungian dream analysis. These images are all archetypes. Archetypes aren't just people, they are motifs of many sorts that occur in all cultures in all eras, like the world being washed clean by a flood or a dead hero being reborn. Identifying some of the typical meanings that the "collective unconscious" finds in these archetypes might help you dig down into your own unconscious.Freud is falling into disrepute but the statement attributed to him, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" is still true. Your unconscious remembers the way the controls in your car felt when you were driving and can warn you that something needs to be repaired. Or it could be telling you that you don't pay enough attention when you're driving.We don't all talk about our wacky dreams and some of us don't even remember them, but we all have them. They are very useful.Well DMC said the same thing I said, but using a lot fewer words. :)
Very interesting FR. Now I want you to interpret MY dreams!

Probobly covered in Fragg's small post above, but I 've always been told (and it has been true to me) that you always dream of what you last think of before going sleep. So try thinking of some of the positives in your life, or some exciting things to happen. Good luck.

dreams are reflections of what you spent your day doing...

you need to ask yourself... how do you spend your days.. and why?

i like to read conan novels... or play violent video games... then when i dream.. i go on crazy adventures.. and fight glorious battles.

do you like horror??

do you have long memories of watching horror movies???

these kinds of long term influences and memoreis can result in unwanted subconcious habitual patterns of thought..

i dont like horror... it will cause nightmares.


-MT

youll all think im nuts now *nods*
-amber-

No, most defitely not. Carl Jung himself said:

"Show me a sane person and I will cure him."

You might want indeed to check out Jung's work, as he made relevant
research in the field of synchronicities, too. According to theories, this field "hosts" and operates those events of aware, or flashback-like precognitions.

Legend tells, they argued much about these occurences with Freud in a library, and Jung claimed something like: "If I would be able to absolutely want a book to fall down from the shelf, it WOULD fall."

Next moment, a book fell down indeed. Do I belive this legend? 111%. Creepy? I don't think so. We should never forget that there are extremely big unused potential and capacities are present in our very brain. Brain might very well invoke more of what it's entangled in. Maybe a harsh example, yet I decide to implement it here as I think it portrays stuff effectively. Here I ask this: how much literature on schizophrenia one needs to read to develop the disease himself? Law of attraction says if you could fill a lotto ticket with 111% determination that THOSE are the Jackpot winner numbers for the week: they WILL be. So precognition of synchronicities - coincidences with meaning - are quite normal, despite how far beyond comprehension they seem to our concious perceptions.

im 20. ill be twenty one in a couple months.
that was very interesting, ill have to look it up. im sure my dads probably read it. mr psyc major, working a thesis on dreams.

theres tons going on that is causing me stress. but its not like im oblivious to it. i know its there. my life has always been filled with bullshit, but normally my dreams were happy just throwing in a falling dream or someone shooting me, to get the point across. having full on violent dreams with blood and gore is not normal for me.
ive tried doing other things before i go to bed. i dont watch violent slasher movies... theyre pointless!
last night was another night where, yes i didnt have a bad dream... but i also didnt fully go to sleep! i was essentially up all night.
most people are just telling me to take something that will make me sleep. thats all fine and dandy, but thats not going to fix it. thats just going to make me sleep, so i have to see these things. if i take something ill just be trapped with all this stuff until the meds wear off enough for me to wake myself up.

right now my body is stuck in fight or flight. a muscle relaxer might do me some good.
btw, dad is no help. hes a psyc major but hes still in school. plus hes dad and he doesnt know what to do to help his little girl. he cant be objective on this.
-amber-

I remember having some scary dreams when i was very young. I told my father about being scared by them.

He said you have some control over your dreams if you concentrate before falling asleep. He suggested imagining a pet dinosaur that was my protector, or Batman to the rescue, or whatever seemed pertient to the type iof bad dreams I could remember.

For me, it worked. Some of my dreams had to do with falling, and I concentrated on being a squirrel able to leap to a nearby tree or fall without hurting myself because of the bushy tail cushioning the fall. Some of my dreams had to do with being chased or attacked by something scary. The pet dinosaur worked for those.

Before you go to bed, try just sitting down for 15 minutes or so, and think nothing but pleasant thoughts. Try to get really relaxed and just block out everything stressful or bad in your life.

Tell your mind that if there's something to deal with, it doesn't have to come out as a frightening dream. Convince your mind that you won't have these dreams anymore. Or before you go to bed, concentrate, and try to make yourself have a certain dream that night. That way you might be predisposed not to have the dreams you don't like.

For a while I was having a really terrifying dream where I couldn't turn on the lightswitch, and all the new bulbs I put in would burn out. Then I would be frozen there, and it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in a dream. Then I would "wake up" in the dream and it would happen again, and this repeated over and over and over. I was in the same position as you, where I was afraid to go to sleep at night.

Finally I did what I just explained, and tried to get comfortable and calm and happy before bed. I just told myself that whatever happened in the night would not cause real harm, and that I wouldn't have the dream again. I tried to make light of the situation by telling myself that even if I did have the dream, I would be able to laugh about it in the morning. Basically, the less importance you give it in your mind, the less it will affect you.

The dream decreased in frequency. I used to have it every few nights, but I haven't had it in over 5 years.

It may just take time.

There are some rather clandestine projects out there involving remote viewing. I don't want to delude you any, but your "bad dreams" sound like they aren't actually your own but inserted as apart of one of these projects.

There were a few public projects that attempted remote viewing, they subjected to student guinea pigs visual queues on a computer monitor. They would ask what colour, smell, taste etc would come into their head while subjecting another volunteer to various images, images from calming pictures of tranquil scenery to pictures of war, torture and death.

If I'm correct, there has been a step up and rather than using such previous techniques where people that were knowing volunteers could deceive the tests suggests the use of clandestine tests where the "Volunteers" don't even know they are apart of a test.

If it's using the techniques that I'm aware of then there isn't much you can do unless you have the money to buy the equipment or the influence to find the right people to pull the plug.

There are some rather clandestine projects out there involving remote viewing. I don't want to delude you any, but your "bad dreams" sound like they aren't actually your own but inserted as apart of one of these projects.

There were a few public projects that attempted remote viewing, they subjected to student guinea pigs visual queues on a computer monitor. They would ask what colour, smell, taste etc would come into their head while subjecting another volunteer to various images, images from calming pictures of tranquil scenery to pictures of war, torture and death.

If I'm correct, there has been a step up and rather than using such previous techniques where people that were knowing volunteers could deceive the tests suggests the use of clandestine tests where the "Volunteers" don't even know they are apart of a test.

If it's using the techniques that I'm aware of then there isn't much you can do unless you have the money to buy the equipment or the influence to find the right people to pull the plug.


dubya tee eff?! :eek: :wtf:

I was being killed every night in dreams from when I can remember till I was about 19. I even kept count, once I was stabbed with a sword 8 times in one dream. I die, feel it. A new dream that same night, and again my stomach is ripped open and that same place. TIll I at last managed to stab the stabber. When I stabbed him, the kill-Avatar stopped. For that night any way.
Since I've always had such dreams, no nightmare ever bothers me any more and I can have a good and relaxing sleep while being killed in whatever imaginative ways my brain can come up.
And since I've always seen such dreams, they don't seem not-normal to me.
Now I don't see such violent dreams any more though, still die sometimes though.

i was stabbed repeatedly in a dream years ago. that shit hurts! my friend did it and rolled me up in carpet. when i told her about the dream she looked shocked and said "id never do that!" her expression was actually quite amusing :D

I was being killed every night in dreams from when I can remember till I was about 19. I even kept count, once I was stabbed with a sword 8 times in one dream. I die, feel it. A new dream that same night, and again my stomach is ripped open and that same place. TIll I at last managed to stab the stabber. When I stabbed him, the kill-Avatar stopped. For that night any way.

I think what you did in your dream eventually avatar is the point, the eventual ability for you to manipulate the dream yourself.

From both a Psychological reasoning and from the reasoning of clandestine projects, it might be a good idea for Poet~PriestOfNothing to attempt the same.

Just remember you don't have to fight violence with violence in a virtual world, you could change the entire course of whats going on to create a completely different outcome.

For instance wrestling with a Large Panther thats mauling you could turn into a friendly wrestling where it licks you and wants to be petted, you don't have to pull out a blade or gun and kill it.

This whole thread sorta' bothers me, ya' know?

Are grown people, and I assume that's all of you, actually scared or worried or concerned about their dreams? ...like little kids scared of the boogeyman?

And, ya' know, if they're worried, scared or concerned about their dreams, then reality must be a horrifying fuckin' world for 'em, don't you think???

Baron Max

Dreams are good for diagnosing any psychological problems the person might be having, even if consciously not admitting or noticing those problems.
So it's wise to be concerned about troublesome dreams in order to find out what is really troubling oneself,
because psychological stress, etc is not good for the well being, both physical and mental.

This whole thread sorta' bothers me, ya' know?

Are grown people, and I assume that's all of you, actually scared or worried or concerned about their dreams? ...like little kids scared of the boogeyman?

And, ya' know, if they're worried, scared or concerned about their dreams, then reality must be a horrifying fuckin' world for 'em, don't you think???

Baron Max

i never said i was scared of my dreams.
nevermind, why bother trying to explain....

i love how people semi read posts and only see what they want to.
ive been cussed out and called a bitch on many forums because people dont fully read what im saying then take the little bit they read the wrong way *shrugs*

See here: Baron Max

See here: Baron Max

wow, thats interesting. i should explore the encyclopedia more.

Dreams are good for diagnosing any psychological problems the person might be having, ....

Ahh, yes ....like I said, it's like the little kid who's scared of the boogeymen.

Psychological problems? Ya' mean like, not normal? :D

Baron Max

....ive been cussed out and called a bitch on many forums because people dont fully read what im saying then take the little bit they read the wrong way *shrugs*

Yeah, and with all those people doing that, you still think that the problem is with them, not with you, huh? :D

Ahh, yes, .....the "Me" generation has arrived in full force! It's not me, it's everyone esle's fault.

Baron Max

i take the blame for everything. big huge printer thing that prints the books stops working... my fault :D website goes down... I did it :) *nods* i work at a publishing company

anything else for me to take the blame for today? might make the day go faster if im busy getting blamed for things :p

Ahh, yes ....like I said, it's like the little kid who's scared of the boogeymen.

Psychological problems? Ya' mean like, not normal? :D

Baron Max

That too. But for many a psychological problem may be feeling sad, or lonely, or empty.
Besides there is no objective 'norm' any way, we all have our peculiarities.

i work at a publishing company

Which one?

How much would it take to bribe you to slip a transcript on the right desk? ;)

That too. But for many, a psychological problem may be feeling sad, or lonely, or empty.

Then why don't they do something different? If something is bothering them, try doing something else until they find what's bothering them ....instead of succumbing to some idiot psychologist's idea of "problems"?

Fuck! I get so damned sick of people expecting others to solve all of their fuckin' problems. And worse, by claiming "psychological problem" they're somehow elevated to a status where the whole fuckin' mamby-pamby society tries to help the stupid, whiny bastards!!

Baron Max

Listen to "Sounds of the Ocean" tapes, that'll get you relaxed. If you go to sleep worrying about something, you wont get a good nights sleep.

Which one?

How much would it take to bribe you to slip a transcript on the right desk? ;)

haha its not that kind of company :) its not a big one. its a small one in charlotte, called catawba publishing. we mostly do religious books for crazy full of shit people on high horses.
this one guy has tons of books published on black power and black islam. theyre ridiculous! ive worked on three of them and you cant help but read a line here and there, and let me tell you... this guy is a real peice of work.

www.catawbapublishing.com

Baron, why is it wrong to help?

It leads to the sissyfication of the species.

Not if people get better and improve.
By not helping you're just leaving that person in the hole (s)he's in, and that person will still be a member of our society, probably badly influencing those around him/her.

It will lead to the wimpifying of men.

Listen to "Sounds of the Ocean" tapes, that'll get you relaxed. If you go to sleep worrying about something, you wont get a good nights sleep.

i had a friend recommend listening to something like that or a book on tape. i used have cds of the ocean, or my mom did really. when i was a wee little one. maybe ill surf limewire for some.

Well, you are free to think so.

Avatar, thank you for trying to help, even if you are having to put up with 'Baron Max' to do so. i appreciate it :)

and...Nickelodeon perhaps its sleep deprivation... but these made me laugh...
It leads to the sissyfication of the species.
It will lead to the wimpifying of men.

Oy! That was me! And I wasnt serious.

Oy! That was me! And I wasnt serious.

i know that was you :) thats why its down a line... i edited it for you

Any way I suggest you try meditating before sleep. Breathe deeply, relax, envision something beautiful and pleasurable, then let your mind wander there,
then go to sleep.
And with calm mind you might even discover what's the problem behind your sleep "disorder".

Then why don't they do something different? If something is bothering them, try doing something else until they find what's bothering them ....instead of succumbing to some idiot psychologist's idea of "problems"?That's what we're all suggesting. But the content of dreams is not simple. If it was, it wouldn't be stuffed down into our unconscious. Sometimes the very reason it's down there is that we don't really want to know about it. Learning some of the basics about archetypes and the collective unconscious provide some good tools for digging in. She doesn't have to take anyone's suggestions as to what her problems are if they don't ring true. But she could obviously use some help in figuring it out for herself.I get so damned sick of people expecting others to solve all of their fuckin' problems. And worse, by claiming "psychological problem" they're somehow elevated to a status where the whole fuckin' mamby-pamby society tries to help the stupid, whiny bastards!!Well geeze dude. Excuse us all for caring. It's obvious from your demeanor and the gracious way you respond to all questions, disputes, and answers to your own questions, that you have no deep problems. It's a shame we aren't all so lucky and can't get along without the help of others.

It's a shame we aren't all so lucky and can't get along without the help of others.

Yes, it is!

Most of the problems in the world are due to exactly that dependence on others!! How does it feel to be so fuckin' dependent on others? ...especially on people that don't even know you?

God, oh, god, that must be a horrible feeling .....no fuckin' wonder that pitiful little girl has so fuckin' much trouble sleeping!!

We've become a nation, a world, of fuckin' wimpy, overly-dependent, whiny psychos! :D

Baron Max

who says im depending you guys?
all i did was ask for opinions or ideas.

its not my fault you see evil in everything and must find an excuse to tear everyone else down. if i wanted to deal with that bullshit id move back in with my mother. have a nice day :) -amber-

its not my fault you see evil in everything ....

No. But from your original post, you seem to see evil and violence in your dreams, for god's sake. At least when I see evil, it's real. Don't you see the difference?

You're scared of your own fuckin' thoughts and dreams ...just like the little kid in a dark bedroom, huh? :D

Baron Max

i notice you didnt have a comment on this: must find an excuse to tear everyone else down

as i said before im not frightened of my dreams, and im not afraid of boogey men in the dark, i dont have a nightlight. though im not argueing the fact that the dreams are evil. they are.
where in any of this did my thoughts come into play?

i notice you didnt have a comment on this: must find an excuse to tear everyone else down

I wasn't trying to "tear you down" ...just pointing out what seems to me to be nothing more than a whinny little girl who can't take care of herself. Your post makes that obvious. And that's not "tearing you down", it's stating a purely obvious fact based on the original post.

...im not argueing the fact that the dreams are evil. they are. where in any of this did my thoughts come into play?

Your original plea for help. Read your original post again.

And by the way, if none of this was in your thoughts, then why post the fuckin' thing in the first place??? Hmm?

Baron Max

I wasn't trying to "tear you down" ...just pointing out what seems to me to be nothing more than a 1. whinny little girl who can't take care of herself. Your post makes that obvious. And that's not "tearing you down", it's stating a purely obvious fact based on the original post.

Your original plea for help. Read your original post again.

And by the way, if 2. none of this was in your thoughts, then why post the fuckin' thing in the first place??? Hmm?

Baron Max
1.if thats your opinion, thats fine with me... *whines some more just for you*

2. none of what? please define "this", my post was about dreams not thoughts.


i was going to say at least youre not talking out your ass like most the idiots i argue with online but im considering taking back that statement.

Baron is an asshole. Only a couple people here tolerate his Trolling. Put him on Ignore. He doesn't have anything interesting to say and only knows how to stir shit.