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Xgen
03-17-04, 09:39 AM
Since we are talking here for theories without proof , I will give you something that everyone can very easy check (you need only a calculator) . There exist a simple numerical connection, which I found a lot of time ago, between the 4 most fundamental physical constants h,k,c and e in SI. Their values (taken from NIST webpage) are:

h (constant of Planck) 6.626 0693 x 10-34 J s
k (Boltzmann constant) 1.380 6505 x 10-23 J K-1
e (elementary charge ) 1.602 176 53 x 10-19 C
c (velocity of light) 299 792 458 m s-1

Now if we multiply kec we will have: 6.6315465575475395748637 10-34
whick is different from h with only 0.0826 % .........

Well, I admit that since I discovered it I dont know if h=kec have some profound physical sense or is just a coinsidence, a whimp of the God. The measurement units of h and kec doesn't fit, it turns out that:

Js = JCm/Ks, or K = s2/mC

which I cant explain.

Also there is transformation of SI system in which h=kec is not preserved.
But if this connection anyway have a sense , doesn't it mean that one from the fundamental constants - k is abundant?

I am eager to hear your opinion.

1100f
03-17-04, 10:25 AM
Since we are talking here for theories without proof , I will give you something that everyone can very easy check (you need only a calculator) . There exist a simple numerical connection, which I found a lot of time ago, between the 4 most fundamental physical constants h,k,c and e in SI. Their values (taken from NIST webpage) are:

h (constant of Planck) 6.626 0693 x 10-34 J s
k (Boltzmann constant) 1.380 6505 x 10-23 J K-1
e (elementary charge ) 1.602 176 53 x 10-19 C
c (velocity of light) 299 792 458 m s-1

Now if we multiply kec we will have: 6.6315465575475395748637 10-34
whick is different from h with only 0.0826 % .........

Well, I admit that since I discovered it I dont know if h=kec have some profound physical sense or is just a coinsidence, a whimp of the God. The measurement units of h and kec doesn't fit, it turns out that:

Js = JCm/Ks, or K = s2/mC

which I cant explain.

Also there is transformation of SI system in which h=kec is not preserved.
But if this connection anyway have a sense , doesn't it mean that one from the fundamental constants - k is abundant?

I am eager to hear your opinion.
Since h and kec do not have the same units, you cannot write h = kec, but only that h = αkec, where α is approximately 1 in the SI units. In other unit system the value of this α will not be 1. It is pure coincidence.

Xgen
03-19-04, 10:18 AM
Since h and kec do not have the same units, you cannot write h = kec, but only that h = αkec, where α is approximately 1 in the SI units. In other unit system the value of this α will not be 1. It is pure coincidence.

Yes, probably you are right. But isn't this seems suspicious. I will illustrate what I mean. Suppose that you have 10 apples and 10 oranges. You can not add them and cannot say - I have 20 apples and oranges, because they are measured in different units. But what a unit mean after all? Suppose that we decompose oranges and apples to theirs basic consituents - molecules, atoms and eventually singular elementary particles. So we have the right to say that at micro levels oranges and apples are the same. And we can accualy measure them with a common unit.

Why this couldn't be true and for the fundamental constants. Because at low level everything becomes the same. If for example we measure temperature not in degrees but in J/kg unit (distributed energy), h=kec becomes not so absurd.

There is yes some transitions of SI in which h = kec is not preserved, but in this systems these constants do not have the same sense as in SI. And there is such transitions in which this connection remains. Maybe this connection comes from this that 1g of water have 1cm^3 volume and water is also used for the temperature scale callibration....

I dont know. I do not want to be associated with this connection (I am much more serious physicist ;) ) but I want to be sure - is reallly h = kec sensless and result from a numerical coincidence?

Pete
03-19-04, 11:43 AM
Yes it does seem suspicious. Concidences often do.
It also seems suspicious that the speed of light in SI units is less than 1% away from a single digit multiple of a power of ten.
It also seems suspicious that acceleration due to gravity on Earth's surface in SI units is very close to pi<sup>2</sup>.

Seems suspicious.

Pete
03-19-04, 11:44 AM
I want to be sure - is reallly h = kec sensless and result from a numerical coincidence?
Try it in imperial units.