Schools&Bullying

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by duendy, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    baron went to school when the techers whipped the children, dont assume everybody is from your generation,

    and i actually agree with that, i think spanking kids is a good idea, it puts them in line,


    peace
     
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  3. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    isnt it great to live in the land of rainbows bunnies and unicorns,

    next time somebody tries to stab me (wich happens quite often in my life) i will talk to his blade withr eason, because we all know words beat actual violence, when the knife enters my throat, my soothing tone will calm the blade down, and then we all live happily ever after in a wooden box, duendy you realise if some people take your advise, and other superpassive peoples advice, whent hey get into an actual serious life threaterning situation, you will get some kid killed, because he thinks he dosent have to use physical force, and then he gets his throat cut open, and dies because he listend to someone with no real self defence knowledge, where if he would seek proffessional advice on the matter, (from someone like me) then he could save his life, remember i dont just teach physical force, i teach anything and everything to save your life and the lives of your loved ones, running away/evading/gaining better ground/unnarmed combat/locks,holds,striking/armed combat, using any weapon at your disposal/standing your geoung/backing down, all of those things can be used to save your life, not just running away, not just telling on someone, you need different training for different situations, not everything can be solved with violence, just as much as not everything can be solved with words and running,


    who here actually can say they have enough real life experience in self defence, to be giving people advice, and on what grounds do people challenge my advice, i teach what really works, i teach military combat training (systema) i teach some police officers how to defend against weapons, i teach civilians the same, i teach family i teach friends, what i teach works, if any of you live around london your welcome to come for a combat training session with me, (first trial class is free) and i will gladly show anyone first hand how bieng a superpassive pussy dosent work in the real world. if anyone wants to, come down to padnall hall on padnall road, marks gate estate, near gants hill/ilford/newbury park.



    peace
     
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  5. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    "being a superpassive pussy

    your choice of tewrms betrays your philosophy bout all this dude. so thats what yo say to the person whose innocent victim of bullying is it? either train in martial arts or your a superpassive pussy......which also puts down womankind dont it? cause basically you are saying that a person who doesn't defend themselves are like women right?

    let me sk you. with ALL yuour martical arts training, i bring a gun. you are not near me andmy gun cause i am streetwise. now how are you gonna defend yerself against the bullet?
     
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  7. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    We are very much not on the same page here, Empty. The bullying that we were talking about comes before most of us have the opportunity to learn how to do anything about it. Even not counting physical precociousness, there are overly aggressive people who are larger because they are older who delight in torturing smaller children. The logic that one small tormented child can overcome such gangs is fallacious in that anything he can do, the gang can usually do better. This is especially true when the torture is aided and abetted by adults who will do anything it takes to render that child defenseless.

    Your talk about "superpassive pussies" is just more torture. It proves that you don't get it. You're coming on awful strong for someone who admitted that he doesn't understand this. Let's go back to the point where you admitted that you don't understand.

    It is true that violence attracts violence when in the adult world. Being too ready to be violent causes more trouble, when you are an adult, than it solves. Being peaceful prevents a lot of confrontations from ever occurring. However, almost any potential attacker has reason to fear for his life when he thinks about attacking me. There is a mind thing going too. I am simply something that a lesser mind will see as too dangerous to attack. The last two people to attempt physical violence against me were too stupid to know that they were about to die, so I let them go out of sheer pity. The first one, it's too embarassing for me to hit something that fragile and watch it splatter. The second one may have been a physical challenge, sort of, but the threat he presented wasn't worth having to go to court to have my name cleared after having crippled someone in self defense. In neither case did I feel that a violent response was worth having to clean up the mess afterwards.

    Of the three before them, I beat one until he found it hard to stand up. The other was laughed out of town, literally, when he told people who beat him up. Another, it was a draw. He hit me hard enough that blood came out of my ear and I fainted. Then I got up and slammed several two-handed punches through his defenses with my hands locked together. He felt that being elsewhere in the company of a 12-pack of beer was a better use of his time after that. There is another one who seems to be tough, really well-muscled, who I have had a run-in with, but he won't raise a hand.

    Knowing how easy most of my opposition is to take these days in an actual violent confrontation, there is usually no point in starting. Once I got enough physical strength and growth, I was able to beat larger and stronger opponents consistently. Unfortunately most of this didn't happen until I was around the age of 17, and even then, someone in authority did their best to sabotage that. What I could do, when I could do it, was far too late for the damage they had done earlier, which was reinforced by pharmaceutical drugs.

    What I have never been able to do to this day is deal with a lot of the underhanded tricks that they can pull using other people, spreading malicious gossip, lying about people, degrading them until they can't stay with their jobs. These people are sneaks, liars, thieves, vandals, and yes, conspirators. They manipulate others. I can't keep on top of that shit and beating them up doesn't stop it.

    I also would like nothing better than to be able to let go of the psychological damage they did to me. If I could, it wouldn't be damage. It would just be a bad mood. I would be over it for many years. I don't hang on to it. It hangs on to me and I have to forcibly scrape it off layer by layer. I have to open fresh, painful wounds and pour carbolic acid in them. I have to identify the shit to be able to remove it, too. It is fully integrated with my personality. On a very real level it's like surgery without anesthesia to remove cancer, mend broken bones, and attempt to repair defective organs. Even much of morality is a form of childhood trauma, which is why so many moralists have become so destructive to themselves and other forms of life. This stuff is deliberately forced on people. The people who do it collectively have had thousands of years of practice. They can do this. You may not want to believe it, but it is true.
     
  8. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i dont betray my philosophy, i am shaolin, the shaolin way teaches to purge evil, and protect the good, act in self defence, what do you think the buddhist shaolin monks train every day of there lives for?, to talk it out and never use there fists?, no they are peacefull but if an evil spirited person attacks hem they will hurt the other guy, self defence isnt just violence, if someone is evil enugh to bully you then they deserve to be beat down,


    and i didnt say train in martial arts or your a superpasive pussy, and no who said anything about if you dont defend yourself your liek a woman, thats not true, i teach women probably more than i teach men, and women can be very efficient in self defence when trained, you can carry simple self defence weapons to hit pressure points on the body, or weak spots, like eyes, throat,groin, joints etc. kubatons are good for this.

    and about the gun thing, if your at a far distance and im unnaware of you about to shoot me, and i get shot then i lose, if im aware of you before you shoot, i might survive, using cover, if your at arms reach grappling with me and you have a gun, then your at as much risk as i am of bieng shot,

    and who says i dont own guns or carry them? i am very capable with firearms and many forms of projectile weopons,


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  9. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    again meta you are talking of a single situation, i am talking of the overall subject of this thead, Bullying&schools, in alot of schools erious violence is an issue, people do shoot up the schools with guns, people do ring in knives and cut people, people do get raped, and you have to know how to protect yourselves fromt hese kind of violent evil people, you speak of what it has done to you, but you havent clearly stated what was done to you, therefore i cannot help, and have you seeked proffessional advice recently?.


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  10. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    instead of merely sacrificing time and effort to knowinghow to tackle the 'evil bully', use your energies to find out what is BREEDING this evfil. for at the end of day, 'bullies' are human beings too. mnay do what they do cause of psychological pain
     
  11. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    bullies will always exist, bullies exist everywere in nature, its not simply some psycological defect,

    go watch some nature documentaries, or go watch some monkeys in the zoo,


    peace
     
  12. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    look lad, i am not interested in monkeys in a zoo. but just remaking. if you put creatures in a god awful environment surely that will excacerabe bullying

    i am taking about another hit environment--school. which will feed te need to bully like prisons do. THAT is what i challenge , institutions and mindsets which breed bullies---te State we are livin uner is the biggest baddest arsed mutha of a bully yer ever gonna meet.....so to chalenge all of that. not to just rely on defence classes, as guns proliferate!
     
  13. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Monkeys also play in their feces and have sex in public, Empty. I would find it amusing if humans would do the same, actually. Bullying is on the same animal level as that.
     
  14. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    i HATE loathe hate zoos. the poor monkeys play in teir shit cause of distress, as hav done prisoners. awful
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Monkeys do that in the wild, too. So now what's the excuse?

    And I sure wish you'd learn English grammar instead of show off your ignorance on Internet forums!

    Baron Max
     
  16. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    are you saying sex in public is unnatural? and its wrong?

    peace
     
  17. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    Schools don't do enough to prevent and stop bullying.
    People need to acknowledge the emotional and psychological damage it does to kids and their development.

    You know that 13 year old who went nuts and shot people at his school?
    Turns out he just shot the people who bullied him.
    Turns out they pissed on him, stole his shoes, flushed his head in the toilet.
    This went on and on and no-one did anything, until he snapped.
    Shot all those bullies.
    The circle of life completed once again.
    I'm just waiting for a school shooting in Australia.
     
  18. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i dont feel sorry for the guys he shot, i wouldent have shot them personally, but i would have put them all in hospital, if they all pissed on me, thats total dissrespect of the highest level, they deserved a serious ass whooping,

    and yes schools need to do alot more, they also need to do alot more witht here overall educational system, bullying is just one problem, teachers are just doing a job to get money, they dont all actually care about the students you know,


    peace.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, we need to move in the Storm Troopers ....all of 'em with big guns and automatic weapons and body armor.

    Well, isn't that what our tv, movies, video games and such teach/show the kids to do? Isn't that what our newscasts show, too? The radical terrorists want something or don't want something, we're quick to show justification for them blowing up innocent people to get their way. "Oh, geez, those French kids are poverty-stricken and unemployed and live in ghettos ....they have every right to riot and burn and pillage because of it!"

    Bring in the Marines to the schools, perhaps the paratroopers, too. That'll take care of the bullies and the weaklings who take the law into their own hands.

    Baron Max
     
  20. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Empty, I don't know how you can take all that training and not learn the ways of peace, even so little as I have, and I am a poor and slow student in the subject.
     
  21. Nysse God is dead Registered Senior Member

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    Once again, I disagree.
    I don’t think bullies are born with the urge to torment and abuse other people.
    It is the situation they grow up in, the people they interact with throughout their life, the roles their parents play, and the rules they set for them that determine whether they will be a bully, not nature.

    And I think it is a psychological “defect”.
    Don’t you think having the desire to cause others pain, and constantly picking at their weaknesses and differences to make yourself feel superior and more powerful implies some sort of psychological issue?
    Many bullies have come from situations where their parents have drilled into them that they don’t need to respect others, that they should use hostility to get what they want, and to make themselves dominant.
    A lot of the bully’s parents see nothing wrong with intimidating others, so the kids assume it is not immoral, too.
    The issue is that parents are not setting the right examples for these little shits; I don’t think it has anything to do with nature.
     
  22. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    All social animals have bullies and the bullied.
    Humans are only unique in that those bullied when young often survive and grow into adulthood.
    This is an unnatural human imposed outcome, a defiance of nature.
    Those who were consistently victims of bullying at school, were supposed to die.

    You are so lucky that now you can grow into an adult and complain to us all about how much it sucked to be bullied. I'm sure it was terrible, but it could have been alot more terrible and you're ultimately extremely lucky and you should be gratefull.
    Everyday millions of clumsy wolf pups, awkward hyena cubs, weak eagle chicks and uncharismatic chimp babies are being bullied to death by their siblings.
    How can I possibly bring myself to feel sorry for you in light of that?
     
  23. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    It's not lucky, and you are an ass, Lou Natic.
     

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