In case you don't know, bhajans are mantrasongs in hindi(?) to celebrate the indians gods like Krishna, Ganesha etc. I'm not a religion follower per se, but am wondering if anyone here has tried singing these as meditation and what your experiences are like? Are you connecting with the krishna avatar/energy for example, and how is this influencing you?
I am a Ganesha Follower and as a rule i just say the mantra several times i sleep...dont get much time after or before that...
Bhajan’s are usually much simple in its presentation for common man to understand and pray/praise/remember deity in a straight forward manner in much simple language vocabulary than the difficult to understand presentation and structure of complicated mantras. Mantra’s are supposed to be chanted (not singing unlike Bhajan) in a precise manner that demands specific focus to voice, pitch, node of the head, body purity, practices in life, deity in mind etc etc A funny myth about Mantra is that if you are using/spelling it wrong the good results of Mantra are taken by the demons from hell and in return they leave their ugly body characteristics to the person who chanted the Mantra Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Bhajan’s don’t have any such bad effects than the pleasant feeling it leaves in our mind and refreshment that brings forth from the confirmation that our love for the Lord is so pure and we literally sing the same as a method of relaxation as well as religious act of remembering/pleasing the deity. In the recent past for the purpose of proliferation of particular sect of belief people have even converted Mantras to Bhajan format which may not be an ideal thing to practice/chant – but may be good to hear ! Attaching a sample
-------------------------------------------- Sent : Saturday, 28 May 2005 3:31:14 PM To : <abes_kids@imagicomm.com> Subject : ABES_KIDS: Mantra Speed | | | Inbox I have a question regarding the recitation (spoken, sung, or thought) of mantra. It seems that there are a few different ways of intoning a mantra. Either at hyper-speed, where the mind somehow locks into the repetition, and it speeds up to almost a blur. And then there's another very interesting way, which can both be spoken, sung, or mentally repeated, and that is to give each vowel a long time, thereby hearing the spectrum of its harmonics (which are an inner melody). The inner melody of a mantra (say, Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh, or Aleph Heh Yod Heh (which both have a great deal of sonic beauty in their harmonic composition), is quite lovely if you slowly move from vowel to vowel. It would seem to me that the inventors of these, really musical, compositions, intended for the composition as a whole to be heard, which would (at least for me!), require that the vowels be extended and slowly exposed. However, it would seem to me that mostly (myself included), mantras are intoned very very rapidly with malas, and so the idea-form of the mantra is more heard than the pure sound-form. That is how I have primarily done it in the past, up until recently noticing this "inner melody" of the harmonics of the vowel-sounds. What is the purpose of the rapid execution of mantra? Is there a technical reason, where the rapidity somehow cuts neural pathways more efficiently? Or, is it considered that the idea associated with the mantra or the guru's energy in the mantra has greater power than the sound-form in all of its beauty and depth? Thanks, Daniel. -------------------------------------------- I belive the Satyananda Yoga tradition has done some intesive research into mantra and some authoritive and accurate information regarding this. The email is taken form a list I'm subcribed to, as I've seen both of these together this morning I've posted this here, perhaps I can continue if it's of interest. Much Love Damian
I was forced to learn them when I was young. Totally forgot them now but everyone else in my family knows them and chants them during prayers...I just watch..sometimes in awe really. Hindi is hard enough, sanskrit on top of that is really not helping.
Bhajans are not necessarily in Hindi... Generally in Sanskrit as well as any other language. But a large number of voices together with music & devotion is something to be experienced.
Hey Babelina, hope your still interested after all my cutting and pasting Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! this is the rest of the mailng list talk about mantras... sorry it took so long for me to get back... hope it find you well For anybody that's interested, these came from the mailing list associated with this site http://workofthechariot.com/TextFiles/Trust.html Much Love Damian ------------------------- > The inner melody of a mantra (say, Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh, or Aleph Heh Yod > Heh (which both have a great deal of sonic beauty in their harmonic > composition), is quite lovely if you slowly move from vowel to vowel. Hi Daniel! Yes, indeed. They are quite lovely when done slowly, esp. as you say when we listen on a harmonic level. > However, it would seem to me that mostly (myself included), mantras are > intoned very very rapidly with malas, I would have no idea whether or not mantras are said rapidly in most traditions, but being a former student of La Monte Young, I have always naturally drifted towards the slower moving ones! ;-) Aryeh Kaplan has something to say on this (slow mantras) in a lovely little book he wrote called 'Jewish Meditation'. The book is meant for beginners, but it is one of the clearest texts on kabbalistic meditation I have ever read. And the writing is so warm, it reads like something from Ram Das! Anyway, Kaplan talks about a technique of chanting the Amidah where one does one word every 7 seconds. One can do this with the Shema, also. That's pretty slow, right? > What is the purpose of the rapid execution of mantra? And this of course is your real question, which I don't have an answer to, so I'll let the 'speedy' folks answer it, rather than an old 'slow-poke' like me. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------------------------ <<...it would seem to me that mostly (myself included), mantras are intoned very very rapidly with malas, and so the idea-form of the mantra is more heard than the pure sound-form.>> Shabbat Shalom, Daniel and Rhys. I've been thinking about asking the same question. So, pardon for "taking a ride" on your query... In my daily practice I also recite the mantras with a 108-bead mala, and I constantly tend to rush the words (or letters). Two years ago I was able to chant "Ani Yod, Heh, Vav, Hah" slowly, but soon I was completing the prayer beads 7 times in 45 minutes. Roughly 17 times per minute and increasing! When I read Kaplan's "Jewish Meditation" (his wonderful and illuminating little book) I tried to recite the first part of the Shema the same way he teaches to do with the Amidah, but I found this system very distracting and soon I was rushing the words again. I don't know "what is purpose of the rapid execution of mantras". But I've noticed that I can't do it otherwise. For me it helps rather than disturb my concentration. However my question remains: can I let my mind rides freely through the words of the mantra with the help of the prayer beads, or should I insist on keeping a slower pace and stop using the mala altogether? ------------------------------------- So Rhys, I know that La Mont Young does pretty much everything slowly and in long time spans, but did he specifically teach you to recite (or sing? Did you study raga singing with him?) mantras slowly? Terry Riley once told me that when he was studying with Pran Nath, sometimes he would wake up early and just listen to Pran Nath practicing, to see what he did. He told me that he would start his singing practice with over an hour of singing different mantram and slokas at the lowest register of his voice. Since then, I've taken up that practice with mantras and "slokas" (Shema, etc, sometimes various verb roots, or sometimes the name of a piece I am writing if I am in an absorptive phase.. I suppose the Book of Names would be a good one, but I somehow don't feel attracted to it) Thanks for the Kaplan references, I somehow don't have that book anymore, though I used to own it. I'll pick it up again and re-read it. One word every 7 seconds is pretty slow, but actually, my outbreath is about 30-40 seconds long when in padmasana (depending on the day). I will do one word (Ex: Yod, or Shema) in one breath. So it takes a while. But it really gives you a chance to see the sound unfold. Alzira, regarding slowly executing mantras. One thing that helped me to keep my concentration was to use a pretty quiet mechanical metronome (I use a Tac-Tell, but any would work) I suppose that sounds odd, but I would set it pretty slow, and that way I would have something that enforce the pacing. Like 4 beats per word, and set the beats pretty slow (whatever works for your breath length, I guess would be one way to do it). I still sometimes use that, and it definitely seems to help keep the mind from wandering around, giving it something concrete and reliable to hang on to. ----------------------------------- "What is the purpose of the rapid execution of mantra? Is there a technical reason, where the rapidity somehow cuts neural pathways more efficiently? Or, is it considered that the idea associated with the mantra or the guru's energy in the mantra has greater power than the sound-form in all of its beauty and depth?" From a somewhat mundane perspective, my experience is that rapid repetition allows the mantra to sink into the background of consciousness, allowing our attention to focus on some-thing or no-thing else. The pace and rhythm seems to allow the mantra to generate itself of its own accord, without us having to consciously will that it be so. I would liken this slow repetition of a mantra to a kind of gate that shuts off the flow of thoughts seeking to interfere with that which you are actively seeking to focus your attention on. On the other hand, it seems to me that slow repetition requires that more attention and focus be placed on the execution of the mantra to the exclusion of other thoughts. You don't have time to think of other things because the focus remains more on the mantra. In other words, it seems to take more of an active awareness to keep it going. So rather than a gate, it operates more like a lens that you look through to the exclusion of all else, similar to when you look through a telescope or microscope. But perhaps others have different experiences. This is merely my crackpot theory du jourPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------------------ <<...my experience is that rapid repetition allows the mantra to sink into the background of consciousness, allowing our attention to focus on some-thing or no-thing else.(...) (slow repetition) seems to take more of an active awareness to keep it going.>> That's exactly my feeling, Joseph. Even starting with slow repetitions I tend to make them rapid after a while. I suppose either way is alright. It depends on the way you feel more comfortable focusing on Nothing. I loved the association you made with the gate and the telescope. But I guess you meant RAPID repetition is like a gate, and slow repetition is like a telescope or microscope, right? Much Light, -------------------------------- "I loved the association you made with the gate and the telescope. But I guess you meant RAPID repetition is like a gate, and slow repetition is like a telescope or microscope, right?" Yes Alzira, thanks for clarifying that. Sometimes the fingers type faster than the mind moves. Perhaps an even better analogy for the rapid mantra repetition would be of an upstream dam blocking the river of thoughts before they flow into consciousness. ----------------------------------- > So Rhys, I know that La Mont Young does pretty much everything slowly > and in long time spans, It is not for nothing that his signature piece is called, *The Tortoise, His Dreams and Journeys...* ;-) >but did he specifically teach you to recite (or > sing? Did you study raga singing with him?) mantras slowly? > Oh, I didn't do mantras with La Monte. We were both studying with Pran Nath and La Monte was also my composition mentor during the early 70s. I sang in his grouup, the Theater of Eternal Music, Jon Hassell was also in the group. Terry would join us when he was in town. > Terry Riley once told me that when he was studying with Pran Nath, > sometimes he would wake up early and just listen to Pran Nath > practicing, to see what he did. He told me that he would start his > singing practice with over an hour of singing different mantram and > slokas at the lowest register of his voice. We did the same thing. I stayed at La Monte's place of a few months and we would get up at around 5 a.m., get the tambouras going, and sing low notes for an hour or so to get warmed up. Ppran Nath told us singing low notes strengthed the voice) Then an hour of an early morning mantra after that. I remember that time fondly. > Alzira, regarding slowly executing mantras. One thing that helped me to > keep my concentration was to use a pretty quiet mechanical metronome (I > use a Tac-Tell, but any would work. I'm working on a new mantra involving one of the Names at the moment. What I like to work with is a kind of *mantra minus one* tape! What I do is record myself at a medium tempo in Pro Tools. I cut and paste a stereo track of "x" minutes of chanting (where "x" equals the length of the meditation I want to do) in such a way that the chanting is stable in terms of its pitch and rhythm. Then I record about 24 more tracks over it at various speeds (from slow to extremely slow...) This eliminates the need for prayer beads, I just stop when the recording stops. Regarding fast reps: I remember from my bhakti days that the idea of doing this was so that it would go around in your head for the rest of the day. Instead of having a silent *Seer* registering all your thoughts, you would have the mantra rolling around in the place where the seer usually is, as it were. I used to go down to the Hare Krishna temple in Brooklyn, and man! After chanting that baby for three hours in the early morning, it certainly would go around in one's head for the rest of the day, whew! Going back to fast reps, if one is doing fast reps very intensely, it has the effect of it making it difficult to have other thoughts enter in for very long. As Alzira pointed out, it takes more concentration to do slow reps. On the other hand, if one is doing slow reps in the context of kavannoh, then one will by definition be concentrated anyway. I agree with Alzira, both tempo approaches are fine and have their strong points. If one finds external thoughts distracting or has a need not to have them, then fast reps are probably better. If they are not an issue for whatever reason in what one is trying to do, then slow reps are also very good to do. ------------------------------ Hey Daniel, i do it both ways. i've found that the faster i intone the trancier i feel & when i slow it down and deliberately elongate each sound of the name with forceful circulation of breath off the roof of my mouth with the tongue slightly touching the roof of my mouth... an energetic expansion arrives with a strange trilling sound and i move into a more focused trance space that does wonders with the creative process and certain perceptions and sensitivities with and about subtle energies happens. thank you for raising this question. i once healed a pretty serious burn i received by reflexively catching an extremely hot iron off the ironing board...i trilled to lessen the pain while i rotated my left hand counter-cockwise over the top of my burned hand...within a matter of mere minutes the pain, the reddness, the crinkled and nearly cauterized wound...were noticeably better & i was in wonderment & elation...i'm not sure what worked how & either way i am grateful for this initiation, ---------------------------------
this gem is found in the opening scene of garden state. i think the director found this in a religious trinket of some sorts. drove me nuts trying to track down. fruitless search so i ripped clip from movie
I just opened a few posts around 2005 and found posts by Q that were civil and friendly - it was like some alternative reality - maybe this has something to do with the potency of discussing bhajans :scratchin:
I've always liked the resonance of Om Jai Jagdish Hare, preferably with bells and whistles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BPHl_120gw
In one of Ravi Shankar's first performances in the west (with the Beatles in the 60's/70's) he somewhat uncertainly addresses the crowd - not sure if they are going to like the bhajans he will perform - but requests them to take it in an open minded mood - the musicians then proceed to tune the sitar and tabla for about 2 minutes - then the crowd goes wild in applause - a some what perplexed ravi shankar addresses the crowd "well if you really liked us tuning our instruments, you should really like this" and proceeds with a melodic glorification of siva :m: