Should the Western World militarize for China?

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    The news of late has mentioned sanctions imposed on Chinese interests from the treating of the Uyghur, and China was not thrilled with it. As a Canadian the following video made me feel badass like China was scared or something.



    However, in 80 years China could have the highest GDP, twice that of US. And if you've played Monopoly (I love playing that game cause then I get to role play my mentor: Donald Trump) you've already won, especially if you're a communist country that can treat citizens like shit so you can spend more money playing military. Sure you may have to play diplomacy and manipulate some, but that's easy, well unless you get really drunk and do some stuff... Also, if you live now you can get all your eggs fertilized and spread you're genetic code throughout as you're the greatest thing ever and you can quantify humanity and predict the future.

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    Yes there are more youtube videos sorry if that's a thing. OK I can't find the video but this is much shorter...


    And there's this too:


    Anyway, should Canada import nukes?

    :EDIT:

    I'm sure Canada could make it's own nuclear missile program but ATM buying the cookies makes more sense.
     
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  3. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Nuclear war involving China and the U.S. plus allies is inconceivable. Both sides would end up losing and Russia would win.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    owning nuclear weapons ain't cheap---(maintenance, storage, security, etc...etc...)
    maybe
    just maybe
    there are better uses for the money
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    with
    for
    against
    toward
    along side
    opposed to
    ignoring
    at
    away from

    sexually
    frontally

    the news of the late(dead)
    dead news
    old news
    old news of the new dead
    new old dead news

    american scared
    versus
    canadian scared
    versus
    chinese scared

    americans are scared of socialism
    americans are scared of a peaceful democratic society

    asserting "scared" as a concept outside a cultural reference is quite pointless if you are looking to try and find answers to questions.
    intellectually its like shouting swear words as a conversation starter.

    Americans are scared of a peaceful democratic society with no guns
    china is scared of no one buying their products

    are both concepts equal in values of fear motivation for a ideological concept of premise ?(im giving you the answer)

    what happens if china decides tomorrow to sell all its American Dollars (currency) ?



    usa 500,000 dead from covid and climbing
    whos treating their citizens like shit ?
    best health care richest country in the world ?


     
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  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Tell me you put some effort into that.
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    while your mentor was witch hunting his own administration & military leadership
    Russia & china were developing new better anti ship missiles

    now Russia and china have carrier killer missiles that the usa cant compete against
    because your mentor and his cronies turned the country into a TV reality celebrity ego game

    Russia has a cruise missile that can stay in the air for possibly days at a time
    china has new huge fast air craft carrier killer missiles

    while the leadership have been getting played like celebrity TV reality shows playing ego games and in-fighting

    sooo
    your new news is a bit old news
    & your asking questions that are almost pointless

    DPRK can drop a mini hydrogen bomb or nuke on canada any time it wants
    but it would not be good business to do so

    what is the point in having weapons you cant afford and cant use
    American 2nd amendment fanatics demanding to run around with machine guns
    when they cant even build a proper national mental health system which would reduce a vast majority of their violent crime

    violent crime in the usa
    versus violent crime in china
     
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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    7 years ago
    mach 10


    new russian cruise missile can stay flying for over a year
     
  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah

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    The world feels sorry for America for Trump and COVID.

    I'd rather have sex with Tom Cruise preaching Scientology than be American under Trump. Not saying he's not a good actor; Cruise, that is.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    what type of sex ?(asking for a friend)

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    how far off is china & russia from developing the next super stealth mig ?
    stealth & can handle 9G cruise at mach 2
    and thats the current technology



    imagine that
    amphibious re-con drone that can take air & ground



    keep in mind that when you troll for anti trump comments to allow you to then claim you dont like him & then run off laughing
    your not really making yourself look smart
    or being smart
    your adding to a narrative that is gaming toward ww4
    & ww4 is not going to be great for most people if it happens

    the irony is in the lack of cultural understanding that your echoing in your questions
    about china

    if you want real answers, you need to level up to the current state of things (media youtube basic stuff) & ask some better questions

    current technology suggest possibly mach 8 remote control stealth
    thats a game changer for everything

    technology does not drive global diplomacy & economic partnerships
    unlike the premise of ego concepts of control & power
    international relations are a bit more complicated

    imagine the SU57 flown remotely

    im sure a lot of American republicans probably wish they were Canadian for the low crime rate & liberal social culture
    until it comes to paying the tax rate

    Raptor versus SU57 head to head Remote piloted
    which one wins ?
    if you can afford to build 2 SU57's to every F22 then your probably going to win once the anti satellite missiles hit their targets & turn civilian modern society back into the stone age

    i like the look of the SU57 the most
    i think it looks awesome
    i hope there is no world war 4(ww3 is the hacker war that has been going on for 5 years or so now)
     
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  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You know I am stoned

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    so thinking about how to respond for more than 2 seconds allowed my mind to wonder in more interesting ways.

    But I still get to say: "WTF?"
     
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  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    geo-politcal
    Canada has priority control location of north pole resources and air space
    & consequential space race access

    usa has become hostile toward Canada and undermined its own localized partnerships

    china is stuck trying to prevent extremist invasion from its massive borders that other countrys do not have to solve
    usa and its behaviors and actions toward south Americans needs to be highlighted here

    Canada will gain more regional importance as time goes on depending on their ability to control their own USA Canada border

    if usa industrialists are allowed to run right over the Canadian border & dominate Canadian foreign policy then china will lose its ability to gain market access into the arctic through Canadian business relationships
    and Canada will lose its independent impartiality

    is china pre-empting a massive administrative swing back to Canada by the USA government ?
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  16. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    My guess is that the economy and the military power of China will decrease by a huge percentage within five years.

    They bit off more than they knew how to chew!
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    lol
    that is a belief
    can you show some working functions of your equation ?

    what cant they "chew" ?

    their urbanization of hundreds of millions of their own people shows they are capable of advancing
    your comment sounds like its coming from "fear" not logic

    suez canal is very interesting accident
    shows how connected all countrys are.

    i think they will need to start removing containers off the ship
    i suspect the hull will or has cracked soon
     
  18. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Most of China's economic growth still comes from Western trade, slavery and statistical lies published by state media. Household debt levels in China are growing faster than even the official claims of economic growth while state repression and property theft are on the rise, which doesn't bode well for them long term. Plus China is nowhere near the US in proper measures of GDP, the statistic they like to point to is PPP, which is useless and inaccurate because the price of rice would explode if demand surged even 20% or supply dropped accordingly.

    In any event, as a Canadian I'm incredibly frustrated. Before we speak about nukes and military buildups, why don't we start with the low-hanging fruit? I've been saying since I started posting on these forums that we should be blocking all investment and trade with China both directly and indirectly, no more products made with total disregard for labour rights and environmental standards, no more Walmart treating employees like muppets. Our country is currently being run by a snowboard instructor and substitute high school drama teacher with nice hair and popular parents; every time I hear him talk about wanting to cut pollution by chasing all our industries off to China, it makes me want to blow my brains out.

    And to all those Canadian companies who risk losing their investments in China from retaliation? Their fault for trying to profiteer off fascist dictatorships, maybe we'll compensate them with whatever we seize from Chinese investments here in turn.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The U.S. couldn't get more "militarized". I'm not personally concerned about China. U.S. consumers get low prices thanks to China. The U.S. spends more on the military (unfortunately) than the next 8 or so largest militaries in the world.

    China has a large economy but they also have a lot of people so I don't know why anyone would be concerned.

    I'd much rather live under the current Chinese regime than under Mao. Improvement is improvement.

    The U.S. doesn't really need to fear anyone else. All of our problems are self-inflicted and can all be self-corrected.

    If someone can't figure out a way to have a good life here, they certainly aren't going to figure out a better way elsewhere.

    The only complaint that anyone seems to have is that the 50's seem to be attractive to some and they want to go back there.

    I don't want to go back there but it's a fool's dream in any event. WWII ends and all the industrial economies are bombed out other than the U.S. We have a few years of selling to the entire world with no competition while everyone else is rebuilding and then some miss that point and seem to think it was because of a high marginal income tax rate.

    China currently makes things and has a lower standard of living than we do. That's rapidly improving and their salaries are going up and the low cost labor advantage goes to India, Vietnam, etc. while the advantage of low cost natural resources goes to Africa. Those people aren't be "exploited" however. Their lives are improving. Comparing it to ours is just silly.

    Wasting time funding the military beyond what is actually needed to defend our country is just a waste of resources. If we continue to do that, that's just a self-inflicted problem. China is not an issue unless we create an issue.
     
  20. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    The US should be focusing more on how their existing money is spent rather than looking to spend more. If the hypothetical conflict goes nuclear then most of that spending on conventional weaponry goes out the window anyhow. Vis a vis China, the US needs to focus on things like making sure it has a secure and reliable communications network that can function even if China targets orbital satellites and other vital infrastructure. Cybersecurity it a major concern as well. Lots of weak links in the chain to patch while looking to exploit China's in turn.

    Their military budget and what their leaders have spoken about doing with it are concerning.

    At least Mao believed in most of the ridiculous nonsense he preached. The current guy is more like an evil alien overlord.

    This isn't 1840, that's not how the US or the rest of the world works anymore. When someone sneezes in Iran, you feel it at the gas pump the next day.

    Yeah everyone who's ever left must have spent too much time going cuckoo in that hot Texas sun.

    Maybe they're afraid that homosexuals will buy up all the hair grease.

    US was already #1 long before WW2 started. Economically it was #1 even before WW1.

    Lives are improving for middle class elites living on the coast, it's becoming more hellish for everyone else. Their economy is not a concern, their military budget and stated rationalizations for needing said budget are the concern (I had no idea the Filipino navy was such an existential threat to Chinese sovereignty).

    I don't think the US needs any more military funds unless it wants to start building Reagan-style nuclear-powered space lasers to defend against a mass ICBM attack. What it does need to do is start weaning itself off trade with China for products produced by slaves in factories that are killing the planet with their uncontrolled pollution.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Mao believing in what he spoke of is the problem. No one could argue that the average citizen was better off under Mao. That's not the case today.

    We had real slaves and when we had more factories we had plenty of pollution and our carbon footprint is second behind only China.

    I don't think climate change is really what you are most concerned about regarding China. You want "the jobs brought back".

    Regarding my comment about the 50's, it doesn't matter that the U.S. was "number 1" long before that. The 50's is the period that everyone talks about where a wife and 4 kids could stay home and a high school graduate male could support them all and all in high style. That's was never sustainable.

    That doesn't even make sense but it was possible just because all the other industrial counties were bombed out during WWII and it took a while for them to be competitive again.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    those are all American companies that have been moved to china by capitalist Americans to save wage costs and make even larger profits

    now who is laughing !

    what happened to usa manufacturing ?
    they use to be one of the worlds best quality manufacturers along side German British & Italian

    now look at them
    they cant make anything
    they have no jobs

    and can only print digital money and lend it to their working class to keep the middle man margin economy moving.

    its a total sham !

    where is the justice ?
    (Americans love justice, what ever that means[i think they mean money when they say justice, so when Americans say bringing someone to justice, they mean getting someone else to pay their bills])

    to the thread author
    so where is this ideology of yours that the world should militarize for china ?
    against who ?

    long term policy
    what is the americans ?
    do they have any ?
    no !
    do the Chinese ? yes !

    climate change is going to change the world
    America is doing nothing
    china is preparing

    thankfully Joe has seen some sense and making positive communication with china for the 1st time since Barrack was in office

    if the message is china is going to be hung out to dry by the usa and its mighty financial system
    china will go ahead and make its own plans to survive
    that's not overt global imperialism
    that's common sense
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Capitalist snake eating it's own tail.

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