Trump warns US citizens to exercise increased caution in New Zealand due to Covid-19

“I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute,” Trump said during Thursday’s coronavirus press briefing. “And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets inside the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

 

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And where did he say bleach? You do know internal antiseptics exist, right?
https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-antiseptic

 

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And Trump throws you under the bus again! The next day: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen."

You must be one big tire track by now.

 

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Where do you imagine I made any claims about his intention behind that?

 

You've been doing plenty of imagining and making piss weak excuses, supporting your extreme right wing crap for over 1700 posts now.

 

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Bleach is a disinfectant, didn't you know that?

Yes, I know they exist, but Trump never used the word "antiseptic", he used the word disinfectant.

And, since you actually didn't know (just like Trump) bleach was a common household disinfectant and that there is a difference between a disinfectant and an antiseptic, I can understand how confused you are about a great many things (just like Trump). Here, educate yourself...

But there’s a big difference between antiseptics and disinfectants. An antiseptic is applied to the body, while disinfectants are applied to nonliving surfaces, such as countertops and handrails. In a surgical setting, for example, a doctor will apply an antiseptic to the surgical site on a person’s body and use a disinfectant to sterilize the operating table.

Both antiseptics and disinfectants contain chemical agents that are sometimes called biocides. Hydrogen peroxide is an example of a common ingredient in both antiseptics and disinfectants. However, antiseptics usually contain lower concentrations of biocides than disinfectants do.

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-antiseptic#antiseptic-vs-disinfectant

 

Donald Trump's ridiculous attempt at deflecting or distracting by calling out NZ is really pathetic.

First the warning about the country and how American citizens need to exercise caution. NZ has closed borders and nobody gets in without a NZ passport or residency.
That includes Americans, Indians, Brazilians, hell, it includes everyone. If Donald wants to play golf in NZ, he'll just have to wait.

Then the claim that NZ has a big outbreak. This is bullshit of the first degree. It has seen less than 20 cases a day.
On the other hand, if you think NZ is a little dot somewhere in the Pacific with a population of 300 people, then it does make some kind of sense.
On the other other hand, 6, or 11, or even 13 cases a day is not a big outbreak by any metric, it's a small outbreak.

Trump is obviously in full bullshit mode on this one. What's his rationale? It's something like "THEY tried to show me something, about how they were so much better at something than me, and look at the fools now." But he is the fool. Hell, he's the fucking moron.

 

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A Psychopathic Moron . Like Stalin , Putin . He , trump ( lower case because I don't respect him ) is a mean , mean people . Cruel . As his dictator friends .

 

Bleach! Antiseptics! or did he say Disinfectant? lol
Internal disinfectant...exist?

Hint:
Antiseptics are preventative
Disinfectants are what?

 

Just to repeat ad nauseum:
NZ borders are closed and have been for ages...so to warn USA citizens for political advantage to take caution when entering a nation that refuses them entry is ridiculous and a typical statement that Trumps supporters would for some bizarre reason accept as valuable.

 

QQ don't get you here . What are you saying .

Explain more clearly .

 

That's objectively false.

‘We felt we had beaten it’: New Zealand’s race to eliminate the coronavirus again
All of the new cases seem to be part of the same cluster, but that hasn’t been linked back to its point of introduction into the country. That is concerning because we don’t yet know how long this outbreak has been propagating and how many other cases might have been missed.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02402-5

Source of New Zealand coronavirus outbreak still a mystery
Almost a week after the discovery of New Zealand’s first locally transmitted coronavirus outbreak in more than three months, its origin remains a mystery.
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Genome testing of the latest batch of infections has confirmed it is a new strain, officials have said, probably from Australia or Britain.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...avirus-outbreak-still-a-mystery-idUSKCN25D0QH

New Zealand Investigates A Mystery: Where Did Its New Cases Come From?
Now, a hunt is on to find the source of the outbreak — a search that shows how difficult it is to stamp out the virus, even on an island nation that has taken quick and decisive steps to eliminate it.
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...s-a-mystery-where-did-its-new-cases-come-from
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If you cannot determine the source, you do not have full contact tracing, and have no idea how much community spread you may actually have.
And again, if you don't understand that the US President has very limited power over the states, you're demonstrably ignorant of basic US government.
The US state of Alabama alone has about the same population as New Zealand, but it's about half the size (denser population) and not an isolated island. So the fact that NZ has far fewer international airports than the US, is an island, with no contiguous neighbors, and has much more centralized power over its whole country means the NZ response has been shit. Even just comparing New Zealand to its comparable Oceania neighbor, Papua New Guinea, which has almost twice the population, is a contiguous neighbor to the vastly more populous Indonesia, and has had less than 1/4 of the cases and deaths as NZ.

To the one, you're trying to compare NZ to a country of fifty states, where the one with comparable population is only the 24th most populous. You do at least know that every state is largely autonomous, right? But if you're saying that US citizens traveling to NZ would not be 100% safe, then you've failed to rebut all need for a travel advisory. It's about risk, not comparable risk.

To the other, read the OP again. It wasn't Trump's comments, it was the US Department of State travel advisory: https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...eladvisories/new-zealand-travel-advisory.html
And those have nothing to do with what the other countries may be doing. It's not coordinated with them.

So your ignorance of the OP and the US government is just, well, stupid shit.

I've only defended the DOS travel advisory, not Trump calling it a "big surge". So that straw man? Equally so.

And if you were the least bit intellectually honest, you'd wonder what was left out in the jump cut, @26 secs. Or just Google it:

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

Trump did use the word “hoax” but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/​

EVERYONE did that. No rewrite necessary, just knowledge of what actually happened in reality.

What went wrong with the media’s coronavirus coverage?
For instance: While President Trump has been correctly pilloried for describing the coronavirus as less dangerous than the flu, that message was commonplace in mainstream media outlets throughout February. And journalists — including my colleagues at Vox — were dutifully repeating exhortations from public health officials not to wear masks for much of 2020.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/4/1...s-pandemic-coverage-cdc-should-you-wear-masks

Mainstream Media Downplayed the Coronavirus Just as Much as Donald Trump
Despite criticizing Donald Trump's delays, the mainstream media was downplaying the severity of the coronavirus as recently as March.
https://www.ccn.com/mainstream-media-downplayed-the-coronavirus-just-as-much-as-donald-trump/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/2...hen-critiques-fox-news-for-shifting-rhetoric/

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That's headlines from the AP, Reuters, Time, Snopes, CNN, Washington Post, and The Atlantic, among others.

So your demonstrated ignorance is the only rewrite of history here.

Again, I haven't defended Trump's comment on New Zealand.

You've repeatedly failed to answer the very simple question. How does a much smaller relative risk mean there should be no travel advisory at all?

The US government did what it has always done, and no President has the ability or expertise to micromanage the whole thing.

However, FEMA does not appear to have an organized effort for commandeering equipment at the local level. Agency representatives said they are working under a broad distribution plan to get supplies to areas in highest need.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-admin-seizing-ppe/​

Lame straw man.

 

Oh, you mean like you ignoring the many large differences between the US and New Zealand?

You mean federal regulations that existed before Trump took office.

So you somehow believe that Trump, who has no expertise in virus testing, should have somehow known that a faulty reagent was shipped with CDC tests, even before the CDC realized the mistake? How obtuse can you get?

And where the Obama administration knew exactly how a pandemic had depleted the stocks of PPE, the Trump administration, nor anyone else, had enough accurate info from China and the WHO to predict the upcoming need...especially when China had already been secretly buying up PPE stocks. And you can't blame Obama's lack of prioritizing PPE stocks on funding cuts.

Except that the CDC counts "deaths with Covid" instead of "deaths from Covid".

What's an acceptable figure of lock down deaths for you to, what, eliminate Covid?
Mine is that the lock down deaths do not surpass the Covid deaths. Because if they do, we will have caused more death than the virus itself.

 

Yes, bleach is a disinfectant, but bleach is not the only disinfectant and he didn't actually say bleach.

Hey, that's cute. Citing the source I just gave you, as if I didn't already read it myself.
But if you had, you would have seen how it's common for people to conflate disinfectants and antiseptics.

But hey, at least you quoted the bit that taught you that bleach isn't the only disinfectant and that some disinfectants are also used as antiseptics.

 

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Maybe having a look at the dates involved in your collage of cherry picked ignorance and then claiming that Trump should be just as ignorant makes sense...

To even suggest that Trump should follow the medias lead while claiming it as all fake news is amazing...

 

It is a remarkable position for a supposedly mature person to take - that since the media has made mistakes, such mistakes excuse failures in leadership in someone with both the resources and the power to make a difference.

Imagine, for example, trying to excuse Nixon's lying about Watergate by saying that some newspapers got the story wrong as well - or claiming that since media coverage of Clinton was often untruthful, he was completely justified in being untruthful himself.

 

Yes it is quite remarkable but not in a positive way.
Perhaps one could draw conclusions from this example given by Vociferous as to a segment or part of Trumps personality disorder. For instance how he justifies his constant life long lying, deflection and issue avoidance is not unlike what has been posted in this thread.

In fact it would not be stretch to think of Trump actually being the poster except for the fact that Trump doesn't appear to be literate enough to do so.
As an aside:
It will be interesting to find out how many of those wealthy benefactors who attended his White House presentation ( end of the conference) end up in ICU's and on ventilators. I believe there were about 1500 unprotected members in the audience and the science will tell you that a percentage of those will most likely end up very sick and be guilty of transmission of COVID due to their's and Trumps negligence. (1:10 means about 150 of them will be infected to some degree)