The Language of Physics.

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Write4U, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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  3. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Massive egos tend to cause significant localized deviations from the Minkowski metric.
     
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  5. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    What does it mean that humans might find (or have found) evidence that mammal brains function in a mathematical way?

    So if true why is it surprising that such a brain would find the same functions in the world it perceives? If perception is a mathematical function then the loop closes. Or does it?
    Can such a brain conceive of being somehow, above its physical basis?

    Evidence that it's mathematics all the way, is seen in the audiovisual part of mammal brains (specifically human ones), where there is evidence we Fourier transform the input signals.
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's more like the other way around, human brains evolved to mathematically process the mathematical patterns present in the physical data we perceive through our senses.
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    my maths level is just a little below a 15yo high school child
    but i find these things very interesting
    the theory fascinates me, however i get easily lost attempting to process or follow any type of equation of any type(except the 4 basics which i can mostly do long form on paper to any length, though my division is poorly practiced)
    my brain is not a maths brain


    thus i am not sure if you are making a joke, which i kinda get
    or you are discussing theory lol(relative conceptual physics of [perceptual]observer relativity)
    schrodinger's cat n a box
    moussing around ?

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    indoctrinated thinking pattern normalisation
    there is no "because-why, is, thats-what-it-must-be"

    birds can do math, mammal concepts are not wholly related to cognitive functional ability or process
    "so if that's because" leaps of religous faith are normalized as functions of indoctrinated thinking models into usa school children(and some other cultures[conservative 2nd world is sexually stereo typed normalisation models])
    it is the cancer of creationism
    once you are aware of it, you can de program the mental injury and heal your thinking


    ...
    philosophical psychoanalysis theory of anthropological psychology
    fascinating subject
    clashes with religious indoctrinated brain washing (industrial religion)

    "loop must be closed" "what if you cant not believe in god/mother/father/sex?!"
    abstract reasoning of complex perceptual theorem is ... delicate
    religious indoctrinated people want to smash it with a hammer before the discussion starts



    that is a very big answer question


    apologies
    i missed this question


    write4u is good with these things
     
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  9. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Huh. Sorry, you'll have to explain what is "the other way around".

    And the process of evolution of brains and neural cells, is it mathematical, or at least algorithmic?
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    According to Tegmark the brain and theoretically every complex pattern acquires "potentials" which are greater than the sum of its values. He explains this in clear terms in this very interesting video at Cambridge.
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If self-perception is a self-referential mathematical function, the looped pattern has a name; consciousness......

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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    linear reality functionality
    is measured against a basic time factor of material annotation

    that does not mean consciousness must obey this law to define it as a "looped" function
    much like concepts of mental illness OCD, mental ticks etc
    Tourettes ...(im trying to think of others that are well recognized)
    variant forms of mania (i will probably think of some others you may easily identify with later)
    behavioral process that derives a perceptional functionality value to a subset data gain for accumulative consciousness valuation etc

    discussing the dynamics of deep thought physics
    you need to be wet, in the water swimming & at depth
    otherwise the simple laws of physics fail to render value to their own factual functions

    what is often misconstrued is the ease by which some can describe something that in reality has many levels of meaning.
    old world psychology wants everything broken down to a single value (do only 1 thing at a time)
    this simply is incapable of comprehending the multi verse of consciousness of the complex human mind
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Consciousness is a free range beast in a meadow of edible bytes of knowledge and wondering ideas

    It eats both. Wherein its digestive system mix's both. It then regurgitates new edible bytes of knowledge and wondering ideas
    ideas

    It is NOT

    self-perception is a self-referential mathematical function, the looped pattern

    The above is more akin to madness, where thought loops go around and around, becoming embedded, until no matter its validity, the thought becomes mistaken for reality.

    Repeating the loop produces same incorrect answer (thought). There is a physical example of this phenomenon

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It is according to Tegmark. He explains it in the video. Consciousness is an emergent potential of self-referential feedbacks in biological patterns.neural system.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the complexitys of which are not a public discussion subject

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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Lots there to process. Lots there I disagree with

    Unfortunately no free moments

    Will try to re-watch and make notes as it goes along

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Not yet, but there are whispers....

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. The brain can only make "best guesses" based on the self-referential processing of incoming sensory data and comparing it with stored memory. From this comparative association, the brain makes an approximate "best guess". When all parties agree on their best guess, we call that reality. (Anil Seth). When that process is complete the brain wipes the part that does not become memory and "clears the mind" from irrelevant info.
    Indeed, it is called PBA (Pseudobulbar Affect) It produces a continuous looping of the same information without a cleansing mechanism or emotional release, until a threshold is reached and the subject is no longer in control of the self-referential looping process and an uncontrolled emotional physical behavior is the result.

    What Is Pseudobulbar Affect?
    Pseudobulbar Affect Symptoms
    https://www.webmd.com/brain/pseudobulbar-affect#1

    The results of an uncontrolled self-referential feedback loop.
     
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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So you DON'T KNOW the physical equivalent?

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's one of them. That is how it was explained to me, after my daughter's car accident which put her in the hospital for 3 weeks with head trauma.

    But I am open to new information.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    once there is a universal living wage
    universal health care
    universal housing
    then the discussion start

    using advanced knowledge of the human mind and consciousness to exploit profit and hoard wealth when there are people with no income and no health care in the same country would be like killing people by giving tools to those financial genocidal maniacs

    generally(with one or two exceptions), the world is currently heading in the complete opposite direction


    Ego
    Greed
    Selfishness

    No Empathy
     
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  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudobulbar_palsy

    Medical condition - characterized by the inability to control facial movements

    Pseudobulbar palsy is a version of a lopped thought and sends out (makes) uncontrolled body responses

    The physical version I am thinking of is external to the body

    “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

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  23. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    It's just a fancy way of stating that massive egos bend space and time just like normal masses, and that's why egotistical religious people have trouble processing space-time as you mentioned. And yes I'm being super serial here.

    As in we're not artificially imposing a mathematical reality on nature because of the way we perceive it, rather it appears nature is mathematical in its fundamental essence and our brains evolved to recognize that.

    In theory, everything in evolution is algorithmic.
     
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