#Tregret

Discussion in 'Politics' started by billvon, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Lot of republicans experiencing #tregret nowadays. Latest is Steve Calabresi, a founder of the Federalist Society, which is an activist pro-Conservative nonprofit. He voted for him in 2016 and until recently defended him. Now let's see what he has to say:

    "Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats' assertion that President Trump is a fascist. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate."

    So yet another conservative leader regains their sanity. Cool to see, even if it is several years too late to avoid the damage Trump has done. He also has a note for conservatives hoping to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt about the validity of the election, should Biden win. He asks them to consider what will happen if they succeed:

    " . . . . if no newly elected president is available, the speaker of the House of Representatives becomes acting president."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Why did he ask the question do you think?
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    He didn't ask a question. He never asks quetions. He floated an idea. It met enough negative reaction from conservatives to make him back away from it; he pretends it was a joke, a question, just an idea somebody else had; fake news, he never said it, etc. The minions dance around for a while, trying to cover for him, and then he'll charge out, shove them aside and declare that he not only meant it, but intends to carry it out. This is what he always does. What's a little bit encouraging is that, each time, there are fewer minions chorusing excuses for it.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? was, after all, just a question too.
    And yet those "stupid" people who find Trump to be a dangerous narcissist are more and more often staunch conservatives. Trump supporters are finding themselves increasingly isolated as mainstream republicans abandon him and his dumpster fire of a presidency.
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    thats the tactic you keep going up against the line in hopes you move it
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    it goes to the fact he is the forking president. what he says has weight. the idea our lovely vocal ape is pushing that it is acceptable for a president could be flipant. could you just imagine the bricks he would have shit had obama acted like his Fuhrer
     
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  11. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    The three question marks to the contrary. "Never" is the absolutism of the ideologically extreme.


    That only follows if it then happens. So you seem to be hoping he can delay the election.
    Well, I guess that would give you one hash-mark on the side of validating your beliefs.

    Trump Hits 51 Percent Approval, 7 Points Higher Than Obama on Same Day in 2012: Rasmussen
    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/t...her-than-obama-on-same-day-in-2012-rasmussen/

    Trump's Republican support was down largely due to his seemingly inaction on lawlessness in Democrat cities.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    .
    The fringe collection of Trump rejectors are not mainstream Republicans. Trump is a mainstream Republican, his supporters are mainstream Republicans, and nobody else is a mainstream Republican. There is no other major stream in the Republican Party, and there hasn't been one for fifty years - since Nixon. The self-congratulatory abandonment of association with Trump is not the first time the rats fitted out a lifeboat and (temporarily) left that ship to pick up a little cash from a shore gig - after Katrina we saw the same thing regarding W&Cheney. Remember the "Tea Party" and their claim to be principled?

    btw: the term "dumpster fire", referring to the mainstream Republican Party and its flamboyantly horrible shitshow of a Presidency in 2006, came into vogue long before Trump set his latest business interests (laundering money for Russian oligarchs) aside temporarily and descended on that escalator in a clown-fitted suit and piss-colored hairpile to declare himself the champion of the common man and enemy of all elites,

    from here: https://driftglass.blogspot.com .

    Or as the writer himself put it: https://driftglass.blogspot.com/2016/07/my-legacy-is-finally-secure.html

    Because lefties, with no left equivalent of wingnut welfare, unencumbered by any hope of reward for weaselwording and bothsiding and whatabouting and pretending amnesia (Taibbi an exception, but it took even him a lot of work over a long time to be invited onto that gravy train in a minor role), are free to write it straight. The lefty writers and comics are still - as they have been for decades now - the only reliable source of straight political news that isn't peer reviewed and published in journals with equations and graphs and stuff.
    - - - -
    ? Nah - nobody is going to believe that one. Try something else.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So if he says something, he is joking or just asking a question until it happens. Then if it does happen, if it's good he meant to say it. and if the outcome is bad, people misunderstood him.

    You are truly a master apologist.
    You seem to be completely clueless. And are a terrible mindreader to boot.

    You must have searched for hours to find that outlier from a republican polling organization. Let's look at real polls:

    Aug 2-4 YouGov 44% approval
    Aug 1-3 YouGov 40%
    Jul 31-Aug 3 Morning Consult 38%
    Jul 30 Aug 3 Rasmussen 49%
    Jul 31-Aug 2 YouGov 43%
    Jul 29-Aug 2 Morning Consult 39%
     
  14. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That is quite horrifying enough!! That many people still haven't seen the obvious?
     
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  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Too many people seriously believe he is a "Messenger from God".
    Research indicates a high number of people believe he is fulfilling an apocalyptic prophecy.
    No... I am not joking....
    After watching interviews of numerous supporters across varied states, their devotion to Trump borders on worship and is not rational, indicated by their strong association between God and Trump.
    notes:
    Unquestioning devotion.
    Unquestioning support.

    Cult style emotional/mind control.

    Google : Charismata
     
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  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Excuse me while I go waste a perfectly nice dinner....
     
  17. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    First, you seem ignorant of the incongruity of your own analogy. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" is a call for others to take action. Delaying an election is not something a President can do single-handedly, and the amount of local, state, and federal people required to pull it off would posit a conspiracy of delusional scope. In a system of checks and balances, if the election were delayed, it would require a huge bipartisan effort and agreement. Whereas your obviously flawed analogy would only take one person acting.

    I doubt Trump, or any other reasonable person, believes the President has the unilateral power or there exists the bipartisan will to delay the election. So even if it were to happen, Trump would be the least motivator for it. As it stands, him simply asking the question is proof against such bipartisan support. Which makes it obvious he's just winding up the stupid Democrats.

    You're truly a master conspiracy theorist.

    Nah, just one that correctly predicted the last election.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I don't.
    The unilateral power, I mean. This President has that power, quite obviously - he's already setting it up, via the Post Office and other means of delaying (as well as preventing) the counting of votes. And we have illustrative previous elections, going back decades now - the delay of the Florida vote count in 2000, for example, which ultimately prevented the count entirely and allowed the Republican Supreme Court to install W in the Presidency, did not even require a President's power.
    He doesn't need "bipartisan" support. If he wants it he'll beat it out of somebody on the "other side".
    Bothsides is bullshit.
    You didn't need a rigged poll.
    Most of the leftists did that much. Some of them (like Michael Moore) even managed to get a few minutes of media air time to do it - nothing like the hours and hours of free air the media handed to the wingnut (Republican) and centrist (Democratic) right, of course, but enough for you to have run across if you had been paying attention.
    The Republican Party has many hands, and the biggest conspiracy they need would be the size of the one that rigged the vote in 2000 and 2004 - and 2016, for that matter.

    Unless anyone thinks Biden's likely to bring a landslide the size of the one that Obama brought, big enough to overpower the vote rigging in all those Republican Statehouses.

    That's possible, naturally - Harris may help - but it's hardly a safe bet.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Correct. And he has made it VERY clear that he wants the election delayed.
    Agreed. It would take, for example, collusion between the president and a handpicked Postmaster General, who can then declare that the mail has been so delayed that a timely election is not possible.
    No one thinks that. But plenty of people think that he as well as his team (postmaster general, republican governors, Barr) together have the power to do so - or at the very least disenfranchise so many voters that he can then put the results into doubt.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I do.
    He's demonstrated it. And the Republican precedents are well documented.
     
  21. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Conspiracy theories are cute.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Self praise is no recommendation.
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Conspiracies are not the least bit cute. They can destroy nations.
    Infantile megalomaniacs who need to be the focus of all attention at any cost are not merely uncute but hideously destructive. The invertebrates who/that support such an ambition in such an ego are not so much conspirators as toxic toadystools.
     

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