Is it wrong to have sex for fun, knowing it might possibly lead to an abortion?

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you declare martyrdom while you're at it?
     
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  3. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Chance is not a real thing, it is not a real force in the Universe, it is only a calculated probability. It is only a concept, an abstraction, a thought in the mind. It has no power to do anything because it is not.

    Determinism is all there would be in Atheism, no room for chance.

    You would be a robot.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think you even know what you're talking about.
     
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  7. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing in the Atheistic Natural Universe is random in actuality, it only looks that way because we are currently ignorant of the Deterministic cause behind it. Science believes that as an article of faith.

    Free Will could not actually exist in an Atheistic Naturalistic Universe, it would only appear to exist.

    You know this already.
     
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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, what makes you think you are exempt from your own standards of "appearances".
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you believe that? One of the more thought-provoking discoveries that has come out of science in the past 50 years is that not only do we not know the future, it is impossible to know the future to a high degree of accuracy.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If that was never his desire, he would not cause genetic defects in children that killed them.

    I've had two close friends go through this. One had a child born with thanatophoric dysplasia; she lived about five minutes after being born. Another had type 1 SMA. He lived for almost a year, slowly suffocating, until he died.

    So apparently that is His desire for children. Honestly I can't see any difference between abortion and bringing a baby to term in cases like the above. Heck, abortion is probably the more humane thing to do in such cases.
     
  11. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    We are all exempt from the Naturalistic Only View because we have a spirit that operates separately from nature. And that is why none of us are robots. That is why we actually do have a Free Will. That is why we still exist after our body dies, and on and on it goes. That is even why love exists.

    The Naturalistic Only View of our brain cannot produce Free Will, only determinism. Only chemical reactions preordained by the Universe.

    As I said earlier, Evolutionarily Science is headed this way. Determinism!
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? Plenty of animals have free will, and exhibit love, loyalty, compassion etc. It's not unique to humans.
    Science teaches us that we cannot predict the future. It's not just hard, it's impossible. So no determinism.
    Nope. We can predict what's going to happen within bounds, but we will never be able to predict things 100%.
     
  13. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I am so sorry, these kinds of things were never part of God’s original design and plan for us.

    We rejected Him, His provision, His protection, so He gave us what we wanted, a world mostly without Him.

    He stepped back and let us corrupt it. We are at the point now where we can commit suicide as an entire race in a matter of minutes. We are the bees knees!!!

    Those are the result of the corruption of human genetics, the direction it naturally heads without Him.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    What some people call "spirit" is a completely natural electro-chemical process, part of the mind.
    We might very well be robots - but there are far too many variables in our programming for us to predict our actions perfectly. That results in the illusion of "free will".
     
  15. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    This makes sense to you?
     
  16. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Thank You!
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If you take the perspective that God is omnipotent, then they are part of God's plan.
    "The corruption of human genetics?" In what way?
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Is the speed of light a constant?
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    One of the outcomes of the study of quantum theory is that there are some things you cannot know (like the position and velocity of a particle, or when an isotope will decay.) So we can predict things at a macroscopic level with good accuracy (i.e. what the weather will do tomorrow, how long a battery will last) but as you look more and more closely, that ability declines - since you can no longer use averaging to get a likely behavior.
     
  20. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I am not sure anymore, there seems to be a little bit of a debate going on about that one.

    What do you think?
     
  21. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, got Ya!
     
  22. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Just because God is omnipotent, that does not mean that He cannot limit how He uses His power as He wishes, whenever He wishes to.

    By the way I am not a Calvinist, that belief system is way off.

    Perhaps I am wrong! Please correct me! How does thanatophoric dysplasia come about, because of a genetic corruption or because of another way? I would appreciate it. Thanks!
     
  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Any experimental evidence it is not?
     
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