Religious Nonsense

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Then learn the damn lesson.

    Libelous bigot.

    You reject evidence you don't want to believe in. You make up random accusations. Zealotry in promotion of your religious straw truth is a practice of prejudice and religious supremacism.

    No, just someone who flatly rejects such petty religious hatred as you insist on polluting the world with.

    No, I'm not; your imagination is indefensible.

    Adding to that danger is not really helping, so stop it.

    Some will. Hasn't happened, lately. Most of what endangers my life doesn't need God or religion in order to be so dangerous. That is to say, whatever, get rid of "religion"; you're only making things worse.

    Your hatred precludes understanding:

    Zealotry is zealotry. Inasmuch as killing is bad, sure. But your contribution, to inflame the symptoms while strawstuffing the cause, is no better.

    You've already made it clear your zealotry is about your own satisfaction; that makes you precisely like every other zealot. Honestly, we follow your path, religious zealotry becomes more dangerous to humanity.

    It's not exactly a contribution to be proud of.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What did you think I meant with that expression?
    Did you miss the example I gave. The point was that, not only do you not mess with nature, you must actively respect and practically protect it's life giving properties.

    IOW, Live in symbiotic harmony (as much as possible) with the earth's biosphere.
    A Symbiotic relationship.

    Talking about introspection. Interestingly, insects have learned this lesson. They even look like the environment they live in. Neat huh?
    Oddly so does the descendant of a sea slug. The cuttlefish is able to morph into its surrounding patterns. That's "knowing your backside"
    Apparently you do not understand the metaphorical nature of scripture.
    The story of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge teaches obeying natural (not God's) law. Hence the consequent of expulsion from paradise.
    You are arguing against scripture....eeek!
    I admitted no such thing. I'll admit that introspection by religious people goes as far as their backside.
    And returning to reality; that reference to backsides (offered by you) brought a very unpleasant visual of a real life history with Catholic and some other religions to mind. But then, it is just one out of many. We've become jaded.

    When clergy, the communicators of truth and ethics, can resort to child molestation without penalty, something is wrong with that religion.
    You are right, and my values are arbitrarily honest and genuine in the best tradition of secular Human tenets of morality and ethics.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Who am I addressing personally with my libelous bigotry? You gonna start a class action suit against me for addressing a terrible blight on humanity?

    The invention of exclusive religions! And human sacrifice in the name of that exclusivity. I call that a problem that needs correction.

    p.s. my wife is native american and catholic and we've been compatibly married for 50 years.
    As a result of sharing her personal experiences with real religious zealots as well as exclusive prejudism against my wife, I have experience with libelous bigotry against minority members of the citizenry.

    I cam empathize with all people of color who must suffer untold humiliation as a result of prejudice.

    What is going on today screams against all notions of moral an ethical civility.
    Where is the outcry from the religious community? Are they criminally negligent?

    Is a theocratic autocracy desirable, or even acceptable? Back to the Dark Ages?
    Looks to me like that's where we are headed.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    You know, I quoted it. Why can you not follow yourself from post to post?

    No, really: Why can you not follow yourself from post to post?
     
  8. river

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    We are in the Dark Ages .

    We have yet by definition , are civilized .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    To whom have I done harm?

    OTOH, I have been subject to physical harm from religious bigotry, without demanding retribution. But that was done to me and doesn't seem to count in your book.
    A rather blase outlook I must say.

    Tell me, do you ever cry watching an unspeakable horror committed by a congregation of humans on other humans or living things? I do, I have seen horror and been subjected to it.
    No shame in that.

    When one side tries to play by the rules and the other doesn't, who is at fault? The side that declares divine right?
     
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  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Again↑: Why can you not follow yourself from post to post?
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I don't contradict myself in context of premise.

    Why are you acting like you have Anosognosia, the lack of ability to recognize a common disease, also known as religion. My rants are not personal, they are against all belief systems, which demand compliance on threat of everlasting punishment.
    That is a psychopathic and sociopathic mindset. It is a dictatorial mindset. Think about it.

    p.s. I find it interesting that you have not been so dilligent in reminding my theist friends of their responsibility to explain their theological nonsense encrypted in Scripture and which has led them to commit unspeakable crimes by divine decree.

    Arrogant hubris and prejudice or sheepish obedience as demanded by exclusive Scripture?
    Take your pick.


    Religious people own their religion. That is the powerful province of the theist's exclusive congregational mindset. It's encoded in their "mirror neural system". The hive mind.
    It creates their hive Tulpa, aka God.
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am not being zealous in the practice of prejudice and religious exclusivity. That would be bad.

    However I am zealous ( in the best sense of the term) against the practice of prejudice and religious exclusivity.

    Read and reflect on what I post, will you.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Click so everybody else can go to Hell.

    You should probably take the time to learn what you're talking about. It is worth noting, in the spirit of Baudelaire, that there comes a point when your ministry really does sound like a childish, sneering iteration of Satanism↱.
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Then you would probably do well to limit your criticism to christianity for a start. I've come to quickly understand that, around here, "all religion" means a few verses from the koran and protestantism and post protestant catholicism ... or perhaps even just a few key verses from the OT. By key verses, I mean ones that offer a seemingly obvious bitterness when juxtaposed against modern life (an obviousness that can have its acerbity reduced, somewhat, by a 10 second google search into scriptural commentaries, I might add)

    If its any consolation, I also find a certain reflux reaction to theists who offer lame arsed shrouds of religious authority for their personal vendettas. I never feel that joining arms with them to "swell the numbers" grants a desirable outcome.

    Ok, there is Stalins famous quote about quantity also being a sort of quality, but even that argument occupies a very specific field, since he was equal parts ruthless as he was broad in accepting membership.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you. I respect that. As I said my objections are not against persons, they area gainst the immovable blocks of old time fundamental exclusive religions.

    I would never object to sun worship. It's a harmless occupation and one can identify the good parts, such as warmth, reflections on the lake. OTOH the sun can also give skin cancer, unless you protect yourself from over-exposure. I believe there is a moral to be found here.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So why don't you try coming to that grade?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well these three Abrahamic religions make up the great majority of adherents. I already qualified my use of the term religious prejudice.
     
  18. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Majority?
    What are you talking about?

    Yeah, with a noteworthy detour around scripture, religion and history, all for the express purpose of maintaining your beliefs about the religious.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Should we ever forgive Hitler and what he did to Jews? I don't think so. I lived under his thumb as a child. My family's jewish friends were deported to German concentration camps.
    Forget? Never. Forgive? Never.
    He truly committed mortal sins against Humanity in the name of socialism, to hell with him.
     
  20. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Victimhood doesn't grant the moral highground (in fact it commonly perpetuates the crime), so if that high ground is what you are looking to acquire, its probably wiser to start looking somewhere else.
     
  21. river

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    Understood

    But now what ?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Religion........, Number of followers (in millions)...., Founded

    Christianity..................2,420................................................Middle East
    Islam............................1,800................................................Middle East
    Hinduism.....................1,150...........................................Indian subcontinent
    Buddhism 520...........................................Indian subcontinent

    Major religious groups - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
    Of course about half the Jewish population was murdered. But you can add that to the top two religions above.
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Address and correct Scripture to reflect modern secular ethical and moral values. Scripture makes a good point (the 7 deadly sins) and then proceeds to ruin it with utter prejudicial tenets and teachings.
    The virtues are nothing to sneeze about either. Unfortunately adherence the religion itself is considered a virtue, to the exclusion of other belief systems. Each claims these virtues as their own and kill each other over the right to make the claim....

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    Virtue........................Latin............................Gloss...........................Sin.......................Latin
    Chastity.................
    Castitas...............Purity, abstinence................Gluttony...................Gula
    Charity.................Caritas....... Benevolence, generosity, sacrifice......Greed..............Avaritia
    Diligence............Industria.............Persistence, Effort, ethics.............Sloth..................Acedia
    Patience.............Patientia..............Forgiveness, mercy.......................Wrath.....................Ira
    Kindness............Humanitas...........Satisfaction, compassion..............Envy................Invidia
    Humility........... Humilitas..........Bravery, modesty, reverence............Pride............Superbia
     
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