Mansfield helicopter ufo incident

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  1. Gawdzilla Sama

    Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Almost as bad as reading your posts.
     
    Gawdzilla Sama, Oct 29, 2017
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  3. Dywyddyr

    Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    What I thought - everyone's at fault but you.
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama

    Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Did they interview the little green men?
     
    Gawdzilla Sama, Oct 29, 2017
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    zgmc, Oct 29, 2017
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  9. Magical Realist

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    Since others are recommending books here, here's my recommendation:

    https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-General...rd_wg=OquMk&psc=1&refRID=ZH9ME287EV8MCGZ1QE9K

    "Leslie Kean’s astonishing book is the finest piece of investigative journalism ever written on this subject. She has an incomparable ability to ‘give voice’ to a constituency of exceptionally qualified and unbiased first-hand observers. They are not from the fringe, not groupies, and not delusional. Rather, they are high-level military, intelligence, aerospace, and government officials who speak with authority while providing reports that document actual, physical craft. Kean’s book represents the first important step toward a new U.S. government openness about UFOs. It brings forward a reality otherwise buried for far too long inside official mystery, and elevates the discourse above that of small-minded public discussions."
    —Christopher C. Green, MD, Ph.D., Harper University Hospital, Wayne State University School of Medicine
     
    Magical Realist, Oct 30, 2017
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  10. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *blink* All it shows, to me anyway, is that your standard for what qualifies as evidence is apparently so low, it is subterranean...
     
    Kittamaru, Oct 30, 2017
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  11. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Philip Klass talked to the helicopter pilot, Captain Coyne, on 3 January 1974, not long after the incident on 18 October 1973.

    Klass recorded (31 December 1976) that Coyne said:

    ".... I'm a very rational person. I don't believe in UFOs and space monsters and all this kookie stuff, because I don't believe they exist. My biggest concern was that it was almost a mid-air collision as far as I was concerned."
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    Klass then told Coyne about an incident that had occurred on 5 June 1969, in which experienced flight crews of two commercial aeroplanes thought they had had a near mid-air collision with a squadron of UFOs. Those UFOs turned out to be a bright fireball (meteor) and its fragments that had passed about 125 miles north of the aircraft, and which were photographed at the time by a newspaper photographer.

    After hearing this story, Coyne said:

    "This is all possible. What I'd like to believe, really, is that in the area where we flew, is the Air National Guard, the F-100s have an approach and departure corridor [into the Mansfield airport]. What I think would be a logical explanation was that it could have been an F-100 fighter."
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    However, Coyne had checked the flight records and there were no F-100s flying at the time.

    Klass then told Coyne that at the time, the Orionids meteor shower was occurring. That shower begins at around 11 pm each night, and the meteors come out of the east, which is exactly the direction that Coyne's UFO came from. Klass had also received a report from a witness in Central Ohio who had been driving east on 20 October 1973 when he saw several glowing objects in the sky.

    Coyne's response:

    Coyne: "Well, that would sound like a logical explanation."
    Klass: "I'm not trying to convince you, or deprive you of your sighting."
    Coyne: "No, it sounds good."​

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    Later, Coyne and his crew were awarded a $5000 prize by the National Enquirer for the "best UFO story", after which Coyne changed his tune and thereafter repeatedly sold his "encounter" story. He became, in effect, a UFO advocate, speaking at UFO conferences and the like. He was a "UFO celebrity".
     
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  12. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I have gone back and edited my post to add the link in, since you found it to be such a bother

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    Enjoy.
     
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  13. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    It is rather funny, how quickly someone will change their tune when money is involved.
     
    Kittamaru, Oct 30, 2017
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  14. James R

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    Klass also investigated the "eyewitnesses" who came forward 3 years after the incident and found that their stories didn't stack up. The helipcopter was several miles away from where they had seen it, and their account conflicted with that of the crew. This was reported in Klass's book UFOs: The Public Deceived (1983).

    Coyne claimed that the helicopter's radio became inoperative for several minutes due to the UFO. However, Klass's investigation revealed that the low altitude of the helicopter meant that line-of-sight communication with the airports was impossible. He suggested to Coyne that he experiment by trying to contact the airports from the same altitude on a subsequent flight. Coyne did that and told Klass that, indeed, he could not make contact from that position.

    Ref: https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/klass_files_volume_53
     
    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  15. Magical Realist

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    LOL! There's no quicker way to shut up someone arguing with you than just politely agreeing with them.
     
    Magical Realist, Oct 30, 2017
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  16. James R

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    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  17. Kittamaru

    Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Ruh Roh, looks like that nervous tic is back.
     
    Kittamaru, Oct 30, 2017
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  18. Magical Realist

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    Except that doesn't match with the eyewitness accounts at all:

    "After the red-lighted object stopped, the green light flared up. "When we got out, everything was green. I saw that thing and the helicopter." The witnesses agreed that the helicopter was green "because of the light from the thing up above... It was so bright that you couldn't see too far. Everything was green. The trees, the car, everything."

    And here's a description by the pilot:

    "The object appeared solid, blotting out the stars behind it. It had a red light at the nose, a white light at the tail, and a distinctive green beam emanating from the lower part of the otherwise featureless "fuselage." The green beam swung up over the helicopter nose, through the windshield, and into the upper tinted window panels. The cockpit was bathed in intense green light. No noise or turbulence was noted."


    http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/1973_Lawrence_Coyne_UFO_Helicopter_Case.html

    Also there's the fact that no meteor last 5 minutes. The ufo encounter did. Hence not a meteor.
     
    Magical Realist, Oct 30, 2017
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  19. James R

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    For reference, here is the NICAP report:

    Ref: http://www.cufon.org/cufon/foia_007.htm

     
    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  20. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Also from NICAP:

    Ref: http://www.nicap.org/731018mansfield_dir.htm

     
    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  21. James R

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    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  22. James R

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    I see you trying to explain away Coyne's apparent acceptance that his UFO could have been a meteor. Why is that?
     
    James R, Oct 30, 2017
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  23. Magical Realist

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    Because he obviously didn't accept that explanation as noted in his later behavior.
     
    Magical Realist, Oct 30, 2017
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