What do you think about the following hypothetical dialog? Source: Metaphysics thoughts Is not related to any religious concept of God but to Deism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism).
Interesting questions Not sure the questions can be separated from religious concepts when your reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism) mentions god Will try to go through the questions bit by bit Wise, about life… Too much bad things happen… I am taking a guess here that a person is wise about life and wonders why bad things happen Quick simple answer There is no god The universe is not sentinant Seems this is a wrong kind of life. Our World seems to be fortuitous. Is not as it was supposed a World and life would be All life fits into a nitch to which it is suited and in reality is not really fortuitous as life from any particular nitch does not do well outside of its place Wise, God created the Universe, how would exist something wrong? Again no god no creation by god No good no bad no right no wrong These are human concepts which have no contruct within the Universe Things happen according to Physics That's it Seems there was a problem in the Creation of the Universe which would have badly affected everything even God someway. The things are not as they should be No god Nothing badly in the formation of the Universe Things are exactly as per Physics determine But God would have all power to solve anything... What would be missing to solve the things? _ Nobody knows God's situation. There's no way to communicate with God. Who knows... _ Nothing that could be done about... Yes God missing The ol mysterious ways Pray is supposed to be the way Church is supposed to know but are totally inept in their efforts Don't even bother to try One thing is true, if there is a God with a creation he must have a way to perceive it. May be through our own eyes and ears. So God could observe us and may be someone could imagine something useful for God to solve it all. That’s what I think... But maybe is just a matter of time... First sentence yes IF IF IF there is a all knowing all seeing god he would perceive the Universe However as you must have worked out I don't believe god exist so for me there is no IF So no god no observe no solve no anytime Sorry Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
My thought on it - God doesn't want to simply swoop in and make "everything better"... one, because what would be "better" for each person is a bit different, and thus our own individuality means that, short of putting us all in pods and simulating an entirely new world for each person, it would be literally impossible to make the world "perfect" for every individual. If I had to hazard a guess on God's thinking, it would be this - He created us with the intent that we would be a free and capable people, able to alter our world and our reality to our whims. The intent being that we would come together to overcome our limitations and transcend our current shortcomings - and in a way, we did that for years, with the continued advancement of technology. However, we have forgotten the idea of "working together", and instead of working for a common good, work for our own individual good. Our greed is the lynch-pin of our undoing - the fact that there are folks with sums of money that are virtually impossible to spend, and yet they dedicate themselves every day to hoarding more and more for no other reason than to say they have it... well, it speaks to an inherent issue that some have developed. Imagine what we could accomplish if we ensured everyone's most basic needs were met first, then worked to empower each individual to improve themselves... and thus, improve the whole. The sad and disheartening part of it all is that there is nothing, literally nothing, stopping us from doing that... aside from our own hubris.
Michael 345 wrote: Nothing similar to any religion which in general propose to save the soul just believing in some kind of God. On the contrary is brought the new proposition of a God in trouble by some problem happening at the times of the creation of the Universe and is opened the possibility for someone to imagine something that helping the troubled God would change the future.
Even with my vivid and wild imagination I have a very hard time thinking of god who creates a Universe as having trouble Fair enough He doesn't want to make a world for each of us He could But doesn't want to Which we are and yes we can The sad and disheartening part of it all is that the proposed god knows everything including while there is nothing, literally nothing, stopping us from doing that >>> The intent ........ we would come together to overcome our limitations and transcend our current shortcomings- and in a way, we did that for years, with the continued advancement oftechnology. However, we have forgotten the idea of "working together", and instead of working for a common good,work for our own individual good. Our greed is the lynch-pin of our undoing -the fact that there are folks with sums of money that are virtually impossible to spend, and yet they dedicate themselves every day to hoarding more and more for no other reason than to say they have it... well, it speaks to an inherent issue that some have developed. the almighty all knowing God already knows it will not happen and even more disturbing this knowledge was available BEFORE he created the Universe So it appears to me the ones who thought up a god who knows everything fell short of thinking through the ramifications of such a entity Unfortunate but understandably Even more unfortunate and less understandably and even more sad and disheartening is some people continue to insist such a god does indeed exist End of soap box Hyde Park Corner rant Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! PS if you get to London go to Hyde Park Corner for the rants You probably won't learn much but you might be entertained Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
What would be the point? If He were to do that, we would all be living in what, at best, could generously be called a lie... certainly you have seen The Matrix, in particular the scene where they explained why the first Matrix failed? Aye, but I think the majority consensus is that we have stopped altering the world for the better, and have started utterly destabilizing it. Pardon, but it would appear you are attempting to blame God for a shortcoming that is entirely Mankinds... or would you rather be an utterly subservient, programmed, and completely cold machine, doing only what you are told exactly as you are told? I would contend that the truly unfortunate part is that those who wish to claim such a God does not exist seem incapable of simply allowing those who wish to believe He does to do so in peace... meanwhile, the ones wielding Religion like a sword continue to use it for their own personal gain (Looking at you Joel Osteen, you greasy fuck)
Experimenting scientists ranged from being apathetic to pleasure-gratified about the living conditions and assorted suffering of animal test subjects. Until public conscience developed and intruded its evolving moral standards upon them. So why the devil would researchers running a cosmos-generating algorithm or program on a quantum computer at some "higher level in the Russian nested-doll" hierarchy devote awareness and compassion to any molds and smuts perchance arising upon one reckoned world among the staggering quantity of them? That is, if one desires this whole "god / gods" business to be slightly more tenable than that based on ancient tribal folklore and its bizarrely "non-indifferent to humanity" transcendent species. The latter's apologetics can take care of itself -- imagination has had a "toss it in there" fest with regard to what it can project into early-society mythos as a remedy for their _X_ problems. Since there was scare concern for overarching coherence in those collected cultural jumbles of symbolic storytelling projects to begin with. - - -
Possibly for the same reason some among humanity become deeply attached to their character(s) in World of Warcraft / The Sims / Insert Video Game of Choice?
Since I have no belief in any god it is impossible for me to blame or attribute any action good bad or indifferent on said super duper one in the sky entity I can safely leave those thoughts to those who DO believe to ponder said almighty ones motives and mysterious ways of movement Think that thought is back to front Religious beings want for some, to me, obscure reason want to save us non believer heathens How many athesist door knock urging believers to give up their beliefs? My guess is zero Conflict does arise when athesist living in the real world are urged by believers to adopt real man made laws laws made up by believers which fit nicely into some fictional sky world If you disagree with said fictional sky world laws it appears you will burn in hell in the afterlife - which I don't believe in For the laws which believers and non believers agree on punishment here on Earth seems to be the go Believers seem to struggle with man made laws which are concerned mostly with individuals rights which are none of the believers business The weirdest one which springs to mind is the one where a clerk refused to issue a marriage certificate to a gay couple On my side of the fence would be a gay couple insisting a wedding cake makers make them a cake My advice to the first do your job Advice to the second don't try to force your money into a business which doesn't want it Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Heard it Thought about it Common parlance Been there done that Don't believe in any god Moved on Living a / the good life Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
It was like that for a short while when churches refused to install lighten rods Damn science for winning this one Thesist would be so busy repairing their buildings there would be no time or persons available for door knocking Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Aye... but what about after this life is over? I'm going to guess you don't believe there is anything "after"?
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Not exactly I do believe there is a afterlife FOR EVERYBODY I LEAVE BEHIND AFTER I DIE Afterlife for me NO Reincarnation got it partly right The bacteria of my body will feast away as they cause my body to rot Of course they are totally unaware of their actions as am I Planted in the ground some of my body will recycle into the worms and other underground life forms Even plants will benefit from my blood and bone acting as fertilizer By the way if any of my parts are usable after I die ANYBODY is welcome to help themselves at no cost And anything thing left over don't waste your money on any sort of funeral Black garbage bag good enough So to sum up I'm dead The Universe continues So do the myriad people and other life forms continue A very tiny fraction will be aware I have died Most won't I won't know I have died And another group I just thought of who won't know I have died ALL THOSE WHO HAVE DIED BEFORE ME Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
How? Nobody I know (know in the very broadest sense as in I would include celebs I read about) nobody in such a broad group has ever come back to tell us about the other side If if if there is a other side it appears only the dead know about it which is useless for those of us on this side of life What are they hiding? Or is it so great they want to keep it a secret hoping you won't bother dieing to find out? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Heh, as I said - only TIME will tell. We will all find out in the end (I know I have no desire to live forever).
Unfortunately if if if there is another side only the dead side will be told Both to the believers and non believers So the believers will have the chance to say Na Na Na If if if there is NOT a dead side those who believe there is will not know they were wrong But the non believers do not have a Na Na Na moment Not fair Worse than Catch 22 Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!