What do we know about the DEVIL ?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, May 18, 2017.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    The word Satan meant the adversary. Each time Satan is mentioned, the authors could have been referring to different entities.

    For such a supposedly bad guy, there is only a tiny bit of info in scriptures.

    IF an omnipotent supposedly good god created a very powerful being & allowed it to muck about & greatly deceive humans, we could not possibly tell 1 from the other. Perhaps Satan caused the scriptures to be written in order to deceive us. Perhaps theists worship Satan posing as god. As with many other beliefs, this is so tangled there is no possible way out.

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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The devil is the COUNTER COMPARISON point

    No point in having GOOD god if

    there is not a point to compare the GOODNESS against

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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Now take responsibility for your own life and stop looking for somebody else to blame.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Sloth itself is not an argument.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything about sloth?
     
  9. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    In Christian scriptures, god killed many more people than Satan. God caused more wars. Satan never told anyone to sacrifice their child. It was Jesus, not satan, who said to hate your parents. Satan did not say to kill witches, homosexuals & disobedient children. God did many more things we normally think of as bad than Satan did. With Job, god not only approved but encouraged the horrible things Satan did.
    Going by Christian scriptures, Satan is much more good than god.

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  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    True enough

    But religious minions paint the picture

    god = fluffy clouds = peace and quiet = heaven

    devil = hot volcano sulphur = pain and suffering = hell

    Put more money in the collection plate and buy your way upstairs

    Brain bubble snap

    I wonder if in the US you would be able to set up a church to the devil

    It might be worth visiting a city in the deep south where in the middle was a cross road

    One corner god church

    Other corner devil church

    Next corner atheists church

    Last corner petrol station

    No Pat Pend

    Go for it

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  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it is astounding to me that they claim to believe that book yet are so ignorant of what it says.

    Why a petrol station?

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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If I was in the business of selling petrol I would think of all the church meetings

    I might even run a competition

    The church which buys the most petrol in a month get a donation based on amount bought

    Have three of those large boards showing the quantity of petrol bought by each church

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  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    But the god church would stop buying from you if you donate to the other churches.

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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Might

    But they just might also buy more petrol to beat those

    other heathen religions

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  15. Seaman Registered Member

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    I can't believe God would create an opponent, just to show his goodness.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I can't believe you believe in god

    Again how would you measure goodness if you don't have a reference point?

    Good against what?

    Also I have never heard anything about how god created angels. And isn't the devil a fallen angel. That would make him a self made evil (evil because he wanted a shot at being the big boss in heaven)

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  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    How did you come to the conclusion that the devil is actually God too?
     

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