There was that incident a couple of years ago in Lower Slobovia where the guy came into the packed movie theater with a ball-peen hammer and killed 27 people before a guy with a concealed hammer permit took out his claw hammer and killed the murderer.
No, I'm not changing the goalposts, I merely said if there were no guns, people would not get shot. If you wish to argue that the statement is incorrect because one can get shot with weapons which are not guns, you are welcome, but it is obvious what I meant. I am also cross with myself that I should bother to engage with a citizen of the USA about guns (which you presumably are). It's rather like arguing with creationists - pointless.
Good man! Not many people are aware of the facts -- like you are. It's true though. Every single citizen of this country is a gun-nut. Didn't you know that it's mandatory? When a baby is born here (or brought here) it is given a derringer with a neat little holster that attaches to the diaper. Just in case. Children must carry hand-guns to school or they cannot be promoted. If you are caught by the ubiquitous hand-gun police more than 10 ft from your gun, it's off to jail for you. Yes, we work, eat, drink, breathe, crap, and piss with our dear gun close by. Long live the NRA!!!!
DrKrettin bows shoot. nailguns shoot. slingshots shoot. get the point yet? no? look... here it is in a nutshell a gun is a tool. period. the problem isn't the gun. it's the user. the user committed the crime. not the gun. a gun is an inanimate object with no volition and can't kill without direct application of energy by a user only to you 1- creationists believe in a pseudoscience and religion: not facts 2- you presented no facts that can be argued, only opinion, and as such only requires opinion to refute. however, i utilised facts with references 3- if you post in a gun topic you're likely to discuss the topic with an american - but as i've stated before, cultures really can't be compared because of their subjective nature 4- a tool is inanimate and as such the problem still isn't the gun: it's the person behind the gun, which is where all the problems lie WRT tool use for violence. Similarly, this "is obvious what I meant" above regarding the topic 5- regardless of my nationality, i've also lived in far, far more countries than most anyone. this applies to your own country if it's European (or the UK). ROTFLMFAO Oystein you made me spit tea all over the wife!
I'd be a dead man if I did that to my wife, no matter what the reason. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
At least we can agree on something here. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Self defense is a right as well as an option.
in other words other sources provide the answer to the question why and you can't handle that. the fact people like you only want to use those numbers that don't answer the most important question to problem solving is telling. but than again like most pro gun people your almost causual dishonest about the topic using emotion over fact
well, it is more hard work to do mass killings using a knife so we know what that means. on that note, why don't we just issue everyone a machine gun.
......or put poison in the Cool Aide? Steal a big truck and point it at a crowd? Fill a van with drums of fertilizer and kerosene and park in in front of a federal building? Set off bombs during a marathon? Go through a village with machetes killing anything that moves? We are getting a tad disingenuous here now, trying to make our points, aren't we? You boys do get an "A" for effort though. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Very very good Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I hadn't heard that before Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Has it ever occurred to those nuts in their shells if none of them had the TOOL they would not have been able to use it??? PERIOD Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
These tasks take more creativity, effort and planning. A gun just needs ammo and you are off and running. it's a portable appliance.
1- all other sources utilise the exact same original sources, and those are linked above. the reason is simple: no one else collects the data because no one else has the means to collect the data 2- other sources aren't accepted because almost every other source out there will cherry pick what they think is relevant data while ignoring relevant data. of course, even the above sources will make a clear statement that you can't extrapolate certain information from them simply because there is no way to collect all the relevant information... but that isn't what your sources are claiming. you are getting emotional and attempting to project nonsensical argument. for starters, humans have been violent since they used rocks or fists to kill each other also - it is illegal for felons to own firearms, correct? so why do we still find felons with firearms? maybe it's because people who tend to not obey the law don't give a sh*t about a ban?
What is nonsensical about saying if someone does not have a gun they could not use it??? Yes people have been violent towards others and killed others by other means Guns are just a tool right So so much EASIER to use a tool than hands or rocks right? Yes illegal for felons to own firearms is correct Any thoughts as to why? Could it be that that felons are most likely to commit crimes and kill people in the process and guns make it EASY for them threaten and kill while doing the crime You find felons for that reason - guns make it EASY for them threaten and kill while doing the crime Its the TOOL of choice for the felons trade That as well Still does not negate If someone does not have a gun (tool) they can't use a gun (tool) to kill Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Just an observation: if you 1) muddle all firearms together, in particular handguns and rifles and shotguns, in one category of "guns", and 2) talk about how no one can shoot anyone if there is no gun available, as a desirable status and an argument against the too-casual dismissal of firearms as merely "tools" and therefore not of special concern; then: 3) when somebody points out that you are arguing for massive gun confiscation in the US, the government taking people's guns away, all of them, they are correct. You are.
If you are implying I am arguing for massive gun confiscation I AM NOT It would be a solution to stopping the large number of people being killed by guns But sadly because of the American mind set over guns that solution appears unobtainable America seems to have created a problem, along with a blind spot, which as the name suggests cannot see the problem Solution? Way out of my ability to formulate Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
so long as any gun exists, there will those willing to take the chance of getting arrested to sell it for a profit, and there will be those willing to ignore the laws to own it for their own purpose this isn't a fairy-tale where one can just say "no one can own guns anymore because [x] said so" making handguns illegal hasn't stopped them from being used or sold anywhere that i'm aware of... so the argument is nonsensical as there is always, always going to be a segment of the populace who will refuse to obey the law which brings us back to the rest of it how would you prove this? more importantly, how would you change this? a felon isn't typically made overnight either, though we can't discount that there are numerous first time offenders that fall into the above category of not only first time felons, but that killed simply because it was the easier thing to do... problem is, most experienced criminals (and felons) have a long and varied career breaking the law will taking guns away from the criminal mindset thus take away the easy option and alleviate the problem? it hasn't yet... you make it sound so simple... but if that were the case, then regardless of even cultural differences, logic dictates there would be no felonies in places with no guns; i can think of numerous examples where this isn't the case in the US alone... and you really can't compare cultures without some additional serious considerations. just as a reminder: the authors of the Constitution allowed for the 2nd amendment to insure freedom from tyranny it is not only a way to insure the gov't stays "for the people" but also to insure that any invading or tyrannical force is met with resistance from every able bodied and willing defender just FYI-my perspective has always been the same, and it's simple too: 1- no person who has ever advocated for gun removal has ever even considered the core problem : the inherent violence in humans 2- the US already has some excellent laws but they're not enforced fully, for whatever reason 3- until the core problem of violence is addressed, and the existing laws are enforced, then disarming the law abiding citizen simply makes targets out of people
Way way WAY to much to break down and respond to so I am not even going to try To mangle Forest Gump ' That all I have to say ' Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
We should not use a gun as much as possible but I agree with the others than in worst cases we can have an option to use guns for self defense.
