Portage County/Ravenna UFO chase 1966

All the data on all the cases I've posted is readily available online to anyone with the gumption to research it. The fact that you couldn't even do that and just whine and complain about them being documentaries shows me you aren't serious about studying this and so really have nothing credible to say about them. You never do. You just claim everything is faked and that's supposed to hold water. It doesn't. You haven't debunked a single account I've given yet. And that's your problem not mine. Better hurry up and debunk that helicopter encounter now before I post another one. Lord knows we wouldn't want to tax you too much. lol!

 

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See, delusions as I have mentioned to you before, is one of these possibilities with regards to those sightings that remain unidentified and that you appear to be suffering from.
You see what you want to see MR...maybe it adds a touch of excitement to your life that's badly needed, I don't know.

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But it is sad.

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All I know is the facts as most level headed people see them.....thousands of sightings of UFO's...some a result of trickery and playful people that like to "suck in" the gullible and impressionable people out there, possibly illusions, possibly atmospheric variations and anomalies, secret military aircraft, normal everyday aircraft that are just not recognised as such, refraction/reflection of light playing tricks with ones eyes, delusions, mirages, etc etc etc etc. Of course the very very small percentage that cannot be explained by any of these possible causes, remain as UFO's, pure and simple.
And that is how it officially stands as far as most are concerned particularly in government quarters and academia , not withstanding of course the cranks that flood the Internet with supposed u tube videos and general nonsensical claims to attract and fool gullible adherents.

 

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Nope.,.that's your job. Do a google search on the case. You know how to do that don't you?

You'll never know if there isn't more until you go out and search for yourself. Answer your own questions. Prove you are really interested in investigating these cases instead of just finding excuses to dismiss them. Compare them to other cases. Infer common patterns. You don't need me to do this. You're a big boy now. Make us proud Jimmy. Here's a resource you might find useful:

http://www.ufoevidence.org/

Good. Then you admit it's a compelling case proving the existence of ufos. Welcome to the club. I'll ship you your tin foil hat in the mail.

Ran away? I admitted it was fake and moved on. What am I supposed to do? Sit here and belabor a point over and over again with you? Sorry but I've got better things to do.

Ahh..but I never claimed it was an alien spaceship did I? That must really gripe your butt that you can't pin me down on claiming to know the identity of the ufonauts. lol!

I don't need your game of 21 questions to tell me which cases are questionable and which cases are solid. The cases I post have been investigated by researchers far better than you or I over the years and vetted for fraud or errors of perception. So don't even flatter yourself that you are figuring things out that nobody has thought of before. You aren't. The cases have withstood scrutiny over many years and remain compelling examples of the ufo phenomena.

Noted resorting to insults now. Wow...you must be getting upset. Is this wearing on you? Yazata are you seeing this?

Still waiting. Tick...tick... tick...

 

Again, no one has ever denied the existence of UFO's, simply your version of it being something that you seem to know as either paranormal, supernatural or Alien invasion. The U in UFO means "Unidentified"

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Yes, yes you keep saying that and expect others to accept you are taking a middle of the road position, while all the time dismissing all other possibilities such as I have mentioned many times, leaving open your Alien position by default. It doesn't work that way MR, and its quite peurile of you to believe anyone will accept your biased reasonings on the subject.

Some possibly "compelling examples" of UFO phenomena, none compelling evidence of ETI or life off this Earth.
Essentially despite your attempts to avoid it, the U in UFO means Unidentified, and as such, and officially, the claims remain that they are just UFO's, nothing more, nothing less.

 

http://ufo-blogg.blogspot.com/2012/04/portage-county-ohio-police-ufo-chase.html

 

You have all the documentation you need to decide this case. I already posted original documents, first hand eyewitness accounts, drawings, and a photo. If you can't find anything more, so what? The case stands as compelling evidence of ufos.

I'm not looking for that information and don't need it. If you need more, pursue it yourself. The internet is large. I'm sure there's something more you haven't found yet.

You're contradicting yourself. You already said you didn't think it was faudulent. Now you're saying it is? I think you're losing it dude. Go drink some wine and relax for awhile.

I have no idea what more you want. I suspect you're just procrastinating and making up excuses for not admitting the case is a solid one and proves the existence of ufos. I'm not going to play along with that. You have enough information to make a decision. If you can't still, then you're just hiding from the truth.

Yes it does and you know it.

I didn't run anywhere. I continued posting in the thread just as I had all along.

All my experience of viewing the evidence for ufos has taught me that they are real and unknown phenomena that are still happening in our time. I don't need you to tell me that one fake photo means ufos aren't real. That's insane.

No..they witness ufos, as defined by the definition I've already repeated here about three times.

Nope...there's compelling evidence for the existence of ufos based on eyewitness testimony, photos, video, and radar data.

You want to go with that strawman fine. I never claimed it.

No..the case is not questionable and is solidly evidenced and documented. We've been over this. And you asking bullshit questions you know can't be answered without actually hunting down the eywitnesses themselves doesn't make the case questionable.

The U.S. Airforce and that ufo investigation group I forget the name of. NICAP! That's it. I thought you said you studied this already.

LOL! You haven't debunked a thing about this case yet. And suddenly I'M at fault here? Seems the only one who has failed miserably is you. Instead of whining, you can move on now and study the next two cases I've posted. I'm pretty sure you'll find them even harder to debunk that this one.

You haven't really researched this at all have you? Go look for the report under Project Blue Book.

You don't have to study these cases if they are getting to you. Some people can't handle the truth of ufos and the paranormal. I get that. Maybe you're not mentally constituted to live with such uncertainty. Which is probably why you cling to science like a religion.

Where have I lied? Quote it.

 

Pure speculation. I accept the photo as real. Cameras don't make up elliptical objects flying in the sky.

Here's some background on the photo and the Air Force's disinformation campaign against it:

"Buchert wasted no time in getting his film developed. He was known for working by a simple code -- "Cover your ass" -- and that's what the photo would do. Or so he thought.

When he was finally satisfied that he'd captured an image of the craft, he called the Cleveland office of the FBI. An agent referred him to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, near Dayton. Buchert relayed what he'd seen and was told that someone would be in touch.

Major Hector Quintanilla called the next morning. In addition to the incident, they discussed the photograph. The major told Buchert he could release a grainy copy of the photo to the press, but that he should send the negatives directly to him. The chief readily agreed.

Only later did this seemingly routine request begin to look like a setup. As it turned out, photographic evidence and vivid eyewitness accounts would mean little to the Air Force. From his office at Wright-Patterson, Quintanilla released a statement: Buchert's film was "severely fogged," he wrote, and the fuzzy image on it was nothing more exciting than a processing defect."-----------http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/strangers-in-the-night/Content?oid=1485939

 

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But people who have digitally enchanced a photograph can make anything appear.
And of course your speculation remark can be applied to every post that you post on this forum, on the subject of ghosts, goblins, supernatural and probing Aliens.

 

Except for the fact that all my cases are backed up with solid and credible eyewitness testimony. There's no dismissing that.

 

"Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the Air Force consultant. Hynek noted that Venus had risen at 3:35 that morning and would have been too high in the sky, by the time of the sightings, to be mistaken for an aircraft."

http://m.clevescene.com/cleveland/strangers-in-the-night/Content?oid=1485939

 

It's pretty well known that quintenilla was only looking to disprove every sighting. He was not concerned with the truth.

 

There's nothing missing. Documented eyewitness accounts? Check. NICAP reports on the case? Check. Drawings by the eyewitnesses? Check. Photograph? Check. Nothing else is required.

Everything I accept here is based on the evidence I have presented to you.

No it isn't. It's sufficient to establish it wasn't the planet Venus (Venus doesn't hum and float over trees to where you're standing and then speed down a highway at 100 mph). It's sufficient to establish it wasn't a helicopter, (humming noise again and self-illuminated elliptical shape). It's all there for everyone to see.

You're insane. You just read the eyewitness accounts by the three police officers. No manmade craft hums while floating overhead or hovers slowly 300 ft in the air to take off suddenly at 100 mph. No craft is elliptical shaped like two saucers cupped together.

Don't preach to me about truth. All you do here is find excuses to dismiss evidence to support your faith that ufos don't exist. Your denialism and confirmation bias on this topic is obvious for all to see here.

I have a whole article about what happened on this case, the Air Force's investigation, the harrassment the police officers suffered as a result, etc. Do you want to read it or continue to brag about your 10 minute review of the case.

Nobody needs any more evidence than has been provided. Unless like you they are just trying to debunk it with something nobody's considered yet. But that ain't happening as I've already told you. Nothing else exists that can debunk it.

Good. Then don't assume it's fraudulent.

LOL! You don't even know what it is you want. I guess you'll know it when you see it eh?

I never said alien spacecraft. Just a ufo, And it's all in the eyewitness descriptions..

You should call NICAP then and tell them this after their years of investigating this case. lol!

All I post is evidence. Your denial of it being evidence notwithstanding.

You haven't debunked a thing about yet. That makes it pretty damn compelling in my book.

See the links I've already posted for you.

I've posted all the documentation and evidence. Go back and review it again if you've fogotten it.

Alien ship? Who said that? Are you falling back into your lie that I think it is aliens?

Except you aren't asking sensible questions. You are asking bullshit questions that have nothing to do with anything.

I guess NICAP just made up all that documentation I posted for you earlier?

We both have all the information we need to know to decide the nature of this object and what it wasn't. We have the documented accounts and drawings of the eyewitnesses. And we have the photo, proving it wasn't Venus.

Right..they totally handwaved away this case as they did with most all ufo cases. That was their job. Why don't you go read up about it? Wikipedia Project Blue Book would be a good place to start.

Ofcourse they did. Every case they evaluate objectively and rule out all possible causes before concluding ufo. Go to their website and find out about them. http://www.nicap.org/

Tell me something I don't know about it. Go ahead. I'm all ears..

You need an excuse to deny the evidence that is right in front of you. And since you can't find one, you blame me for accepting the evidence provided. You know you've failed and are now using me as a scapegoat for your frustration. How does it feel to be a failure Jimmy?

 

Bullshit. All the documents are provided online for all to see. You're just sulking that you can't debunk any of them. I think you're getting too old for this. Maybe you should retire and go live in the woods.

LOL! What belief in aliens? Are you losing it again old man?

Ooo.I'm so embarrassed. Look what James R has done. Exposed me to all the world by failing to debunk the world famous and well documented Portage County UFO case. lol!

I knew you'd run off with your tail between your legs. I just didn't know it would happen this soon.

You like that bauble metaphor alot, don't you? Is that what they called toys back when you were a kid?

And I'm confident you will continue your losing streak of failing to debunk any case I present to you in the future. Perhaps it IS best you give up. You're only making yourself look more and more foolish at this point.

Not at all. I just thought a US Airforce investigation into this case would prove to you that this wasn't all just made up my some evil documentary film makers. That IS your go to claim isn't it?

Which you have totally failed to debunk and even now make excuses for not doing so.

You'll get to truth if you just go by the evidence. That's what I do in science and in ufology. Go by the evidence. And it always works.

I don't "believe" anything. I know ufos are real, but I have no idea what they are. I know they aren't manmade or naturally cause. They are real mysteries. That's not a certain scenario by any stretch.

Then why are you so certain ufos don't exist? If you're not getting that certainty from science, where ARE you getting it from?

 

Rubbish. All your cases are necessarilly and by definition simple UFO's, with the emphasis on U for unidentified, that fact that you constantly like to either avoid or obfuscate on with your own personal definition.

It's pretty well known that there are many many probable explanations for all UFO sightings, with no solid evidence for any particular one: That's why it remains as UFO, and unidentified.
It's the gullible and impressionable few that like to immediately extrapolate that to Alien invasions or similar irrational concept.
These thousands and thousands of sightings are mostly easily explained in many ways, trickery and jokes, complete frauds, illusions, delusions, unusual cloud formation/s, unusual weather patterns and atmospheric disturbances, secret military aircraft, misidentified known aircraft.
For all these thousands and thousands of supposed Alien visitations, and yet not once do they make their presence official, or appear in some recognisable public place in front of thousands: Just the usual flittering in, and flittering out again, giving those that need to fabricate some excitement in their lives an excuse to put their imagination to work.