Can artificial intelligences suffer from mental illness?

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  1. Write4U

    Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No it wasn't.
    p.s. we also use bleach to disinfect kitchens and bathrooms from viruses.
     
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    Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting, I'd like to see that branch on the tree of life .

    The reason why we can make the claim is due to the fact that all things are mathematical in nature. When you accept that hypothesis, then yes, viruses certainly are not exempt from the evolutionary process. They are certainly not irreducibly complex..
     
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    Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    This might help

    http://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/virus-genome-fourth-domain-life_n_3624207

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    Thanks for the link, very interesting, but it says nothing about *contamination* of *inherent information*, which in principle is no different in either case..
    Actually that should read: Work (verb) = expending Energy
     
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  9. C C

    C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Any future technological life forms which are so complex that they can qualify for and be vulnerable to mentally illness would be artilects that should never have been engineered in the first place. A tool-making species which deliberately introduces its extinction-delivering successor is a foolish taxonomic group indeed.
     
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    Out wit the old an in wit the new... an like a honey-badger... evolution dont give a sht

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    wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't see any difference between a dog/chimp/sea sponge/human being, and AI...not sure what else there is to say. AI is just that ''artificial.'' So, you could have some pseudo-suffering, but going with the thread's original question, I don't believe that something ''artificial'' has the capacity to suffer, not in the way dogs or chimps or sponges or humans or flies, can.
     
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  12. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I didn't say that.

    You mean that an AI is made of computer chips rather than flesh and blood? Do you think that's important?

    I don't know what you mean by "pseudo-suffering".

    Suppose you have an artificial intelligence in a box, that has a temperature sensor on its casing. Suppose that a fire started next to the AI's box. The AI would be aware that the temperature was rising, and that this presented a danger to it. The question is: how would the AI experience this? I think the reaction would be similar to the pain we feel when we touch a hot stove, for example. After all, the process is essentially the same - we have nerves that transmit signals of heat to our brains, and our brains translate those signals into a sensation of pain. Why would the AI's "brain" be any different? Why would it not "suffer" the pain in a similar way that a human being would?

    I can't see any in-principle reason why things would be any different.
     
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    wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    These are just our opinions. You might end up right, or I might end up right. Either way, we are entitled to our opinions. No one could know with certainty what might happen when it comes to the evolution of AI.
     
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  14. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Everything on this forum is just somebody's opinions.

    Yes. But from where I stand I can't see any reason in principle why I would be wrong.

    Of course. Everybody is entitled to their opinions.
     
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  15. wegs

    wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    lol I can't see any reason in principle why I would be wrong. So we agree...on something. Just not the same thing.
     
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    Of course .

    Over-whelming EMF energy and corrosion ( of chemical and/or biological ) makes them venerable to malfunction.



    Agreed

    Indeed
     
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  17. James R

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    Yes, but I've given you some reasons why I think I'm right, whereas you have not given reasons why you might be right.
     
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    Of course, the same thing applies to humans as well.
     
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    It does ; how so ?
     
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  20. wegs

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    I don't believe that there is any logical reason to believe that AI would evolve as humans evolve. It would be like a video game, that has several variables programmed in by its designers but it can't act on its own; AI will always require humans to program a set of variables. We might think that those variables are uncertain, but they'll be programmed in, to give an illusion of uncertainty or unpredictability. My opinion and my "reasons" behind my opinion. Why do you wish for AI to be something it isn't?
     
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  21. Write4U

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    Aging is the slow process.
    But your keyword is "overwhelming", and that would mean instant death or disintegration of the electro/chemical processes in all living or even quasi living things..

    If you touch a high voltage power line while grounded, you die instantly. If you are a bot, you just burn out or blow up (instant death).
     
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  22. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    wegs:

    There's no reason to suppose that such a thing will already be required.

    Already, there are neural networks in existence that make their own deductions and form their own conclusions, even modifying themselves. They are not pre-determined by human beings to form any particular conclusion, or to deduce things in particular ways.

    I agree that there's no reason to an AI to evolve as humans evolve. There are obvious differences.

    No. Even now, there are neural networks that come up with conclusions and connections that no human has thought of before. There is no illusion about that, and those conclusions are in no way pre-programmed by any human being.

    I haven't talked about what I wish.

    The question of the the thread is "Can AIs suffer from mental illness?", or, more generally "Can AIs suffer?" My answer is: I can't see any compelling reason why they can't.
     
    James R, Dec 9, 2016
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  23. Michael 345

    Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Thought bubble.

    Anybody else thinking test tube baby?

    Should be petri dish but let's not quibble.

    Test tube babies are the result of Artificial Insemination.

    As they grow, develop and learn is this a form of Artificial Intelligence already among us?

    If not when did the test tube baby become not artificial?
     
    Michael 345, Dec 10, 2016
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