Magical Realist takes offense at what he thinks he reads

Right..people who don't want to watch videos should exclude themselves from the discussion then. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to ban videos from discussion forums.

[Mod Note: This was originally in reference to http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3418496 where exchemist takes a different position than indicated. ]

 

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The person in the particular video in question has been shown to be a total "unknown" fraudster, and u tube is known to be open to those sorts of people.

 

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Youtube is also the source of great science experiments, historical footage, lectures, news stories, documentaries, home movies, astronomical and meteorological events, and go pro experiences. It doesn't follow that just because it is on Youtube it is therefore fraudulent.

 

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Certainly, I have two reputable u tube videos of two recognised mainstream scientists on this thread myself!

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But just as the nature of the Internet itself, leaves it open to all the nuts, god botherers and conspiracy pushers that find it as the only outlet to push their nonsense, so to has the u tube video become a similar tool of spreading nonsensical claims etc.
Most here though, certainly know what exchemist was referring to.

 

That's why you have to do research and critically evaluate each video yourself instead of relying on blanket dismissals of a whole medium as being unreliable.

 

Generally yes....but when u tube videos are continually being posted by certain individuals, and the usual unscientific outlandish claims being made, such as per river's video that magnetism/electricity is the prime initiator of the universe we inhabit, or that Aliens have conducted nuclear wars on Mars, then one can use reasonable logic with regards to any video by that person.

 

No..you can't generalize and say a video is fraudulent just because it is posted by a certain person. Besides, when were alternative scientific theories consider fraud? If you heard of Einstein's theories via Youtube for the first time, would you consider them hogwash? Ofcourse you would..

 

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Can't you? Of course you can! and I make no apologies for that...Oh and btw, I did watch the first 10 minutes which was enough for me.

When they are exclusively pushed on u tube by virtually unknowns, who are unqualified, uncredentialed, or on forums such as this, and open to any Tom, Dick and Harry.

Not at all. I could easily get such a u tube confirmed by other reputable citation and/or link.....easy peasy!

 

No you couldn't. Einstein's theories weren't confirmed in peer reviewed journals or by links. Most revolutionary science isn't. And Einstein WAS a virtual unknown when he published his theory. Guess that means he would be a crackpot to you.

"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

 

Yes, I could.

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Einstein's theories were confirmed by observation, experimentation and their predictability, not on u tube, that you obviously chose to spread your gospel. Which is evidence of crackpottery.

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Einstein was also a scientist when he formulated his theories.
Please MR, don't try and justify your u tube videos in the sciences.
This isn't about u tube videos...it's about the fraudulent pseudoscientific claim and inferences by river on the Plasma/Electric universe nonsense and the quack he has chosen to push that nonsense..

 

"Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later proven correct. Today's science texts are dishonest to the extent that they hide these huge mistakes made by the scientific community. They rarely discuss the embarrassing acts of intellectual suppression which were directed at the following researchers by their colleagues. And... after wide reading, I've never encountered any similar list.[1] This is very telling."

http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html

 

Sorry MR my old friend...I stopped at the second name on your list, and of course your usual nonsensical blanket crticism of science in general.
Just seen Galileos name!

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That says it all, and highlights the general overall untrue claim of your article and of course yourself. Galileo of course was around before science as we know it, had any chance to get a foothold, as humanity at that time was ruled by superstition, paranormal and supernatural nonsense and the church in general.
You need to do better MR, and not be so hateful of science simply because it has shown your own beliefs to be totally unfounded and questionable at best.
Remember, if it weren't for science, you wouldn't even be spreading your gospel, and in reality would still be swinging in the trees. ;0

 

So much for your claim that science was around since caveman days, with the discovery of fire and the invention of the wheel all the results of the scientific method. lol!

 

So much for your ignorance, that you failed to note my "science as we know it" relevance. Lol!

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Oh UNKNOWN science! Is that like alien science?

 

You certainly like living in ignorance, and bliss!

 

Science was born the first time someone observed a regular natural pattern and asked ...why ?
Religion was born when someone proposed an answer that those patterns are signs of the gods.

 

You'll have to take this up with paddoboy, who has officially proclaimed that science didn't exist before Galileo.

 

Don't be so dishonestly obtuse MR.......
The dawn of modern science and the scientific methodology began in the middle ages.....What Write4U said about science beginning when someone asked why is correct, but wasn't recognised as such , and of course was hindered [as I have told you] by superstition, and myth for a long time.
In fact and quite ironic, when in the past, when I have said if it wasn't for science, you would still be swinging in the trees, and you have taken exception to that...yes, ironic and hypocrticial.

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Well, it depends on the context of the question, when was the first symbolic representation of an observed pattern recorded on a cave wall, or formalizing a pattern into symbolic language or equation as did Galilei.

example; bookkeeping has existed since the first trade of one shell for 2 arrows. But the formalization of doubly entry Bookkeeping as we know it today was invented by a monk.Luca Pacioli, in 1494.

p.s. equations are metaphors. *x + x = 2 . x* is a mathematical metaphor. The first function is an addition creating a sum, the second is a multiplication creating a product. Same answer, different perspective.