The Nature of Racism in America

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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So, your claim is that "black culture" is a culture of "violence and crime", then?

    I'm sorry... but you better have some damn good explanation for such a statement; that is simple, blatant, inexcusable racism no matter how you slice it...
     
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  3. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The Democrat party was the original party of slavery. When slavery was made illegal by Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats became the party of national division. After the Civil War, when the country was reunited, the Democrats became the party of segregation, with its militant enforcement wing, the KKK. In more recent years, Civil Rights, the Democratic party deemed itself the champions of the blacks. It tried to fix the past, that the Democratic party was responsible for, by using the template they know best; new version of racism and segregation.

    For example, the Democrats instituted a racial quota system, where government decided benefits, based on the color on one's skin. This followed the historical template of the Democrats. The Democrat were able to maintained segregation, while only changing who sits in the back and front of the bus. The term white privilege, is a racist term, which somehow suggests all whites need to be go to the back of the racial bus. This is being done by a racist government solution.

    Martin Luther King suggested how to end racism. He said you need to treat all people by the content of character, and not by the color of the skin. When we judge by character, the polarization is no longer black and white, but between character and irresponsibility. Character is a developed skill, while irresponsibility is a default state where impulse leads. Impulse is a liberal ideal, justify by relative morality.

    There are people of character in all colors. If you do like the Democrats, and segregate by color, instead of character, this perpetuates resentment, by all ends, since you reward evil and punish good character, all based on the new Democrat party's racist criteria.

    If someone brings up the murders of blacks, by other blacks, in inner cities like Chicago, this called racist by the Democrats. They need to keep the focus based on judging by color and race, while making no character distinctions within each group. One is not allow one to address the character issue, less the segregation end. The Democrats can't discuss character, since so much of their leadership would not make the cut. The Democrats need to blend themselves with those of character, with terms like white privilege, a disguise for the merger. Hillary tries to be blend herself with all women, so she is not segregated by her lack of character. She needs sexist division, to give her cover, so she can sit in the front of the bus.

    If you truly believe all people are equal, it comes down to each person making a choice to be good or a problem. If you do not believe that all people; male and female, black and white, are equal, then you will think you need to stack the deck along racist or sexist lines, so you can blend character with irresponsibility. This emboldens evil and burdens the good, until passive aggressive resentment appears in the good people; called unconscious racism.
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It's interesting how that only applies to nonwhites.

    Because for years, white people have been making the choice to deny others equal protection and justice.

    This is not a road unprepared conspiracy theorists really want to travel. You can't both postulate that argument and hide from history.
     
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Calling out the facts is racism? Well, rather than risk white bias, maybe we should listen to a couple black guys.
     
  8. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    He created a blank pigden hole we come into this world with free will. Our ancestor have passed down to us their experoences.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    And what if I don't like a "culture of violence and greed"?

    See, I might not be black, but plenty of white people have problems with people who look Asian. So ... should I hold the schoolyard bully against white people? How about the two white kids who held me down and beat me? Or the white teacher who then assigned me detention? After all, that's how they did it: If two white kids jump a minority, the minority was punished for "being in a fight". How about a guy named Jim Denton, an elementary school principal from Pierce County, Washington, in my youth whose means of settling racism was to tell minorities to try harder to fit in?

    Please understand, as I go through my life, the litany continues. I mean, I'm not black so a lot of it is some middle-aged white guy trying to speak to me in Japanese, or something, though I would note the white woman who, based on what I consider fair factors, was in fact being respectful when she asked her daughter if I was Roma. After being insulted as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Chinese, Japanese, (dirty knees!), (look at these!), Vietnamese, Mongol(-oid), Korean, blamed for four wars―(can I hold the white guy who blamed the Japanese for the First against white people?)―and, yeah, I recall being called a Dago, before, it really was interesting when the inquiries were respectful and wanting. An author writing a book with a Roma protagonist has a holy shit moment seeing me walk by for the first time? Alright, I get it. The various indigenous Americans who wondered if maybe they're looking at another? I'm not black, but apparently I walk between stereotypes (Japanese-Norwegian is the official telling), and I didn't officially become "white" in most people's eyes, it seems, until sometime in my late twenties. It's true, drunk middle-aged white men trying to impress women haven't randomly started speaking some Asian language to me in a bar since then, and on the occasions I've managed to get myself arrested I get, "Good evening sir, may I see your license and registration", and the injustice I suffer is the everyday corruption of the average officer writing an incident report; that is to say, I don't get cops threatening me with guns unless it's CBP and they ask me if I have any questions and I ask them why I was detained. (No, seriously, dude couldn't even think to say, "Because we can, because we must, and because it's random.")

    But it's also true that my entire adult life I've seen the racism continue. And at the end of the day it's worth noting that it's not even a question: I know white people will not tolerate being judged the way minorities are.

    So which white people can we hold against white people? Donald Trump? Britney Spears? George W. Bush? Mel Gibson? A child rapist I have known in my lifetime for his survivors being among my friends? No, seriously, I already know white people won't like being described as a culture of violence and greed.

    Here's another one for you: Can I hold Barack Obama against black people?

    Please?

    Because that would be a very warm embrace.

    The nation's first black president helped establish my human rights.

    Seriously, I think the worst I ever got from a black person was in high school when a competitor from another school tried to hit on a friend by asking why she was hanging out with a honky. No, seriously, that's the one time in youth I was white enough to be white, when a teenager with dark skin wanted to hit on a girl with dark skin who was talking to a boy with light skin.

    I'm pretty sure I can live with that one.

    I point to history; you flee it.
     
  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Yet we need to look at our present course. Leaning on the past doesn't help the present, and what hurts the issue more is this rhetoric that further divides the community.
     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Look, no one is saying that racism doesn't exist, but I don't believe that is the default attitude of most Americans. What I see is an avoidance of the more pressing issues that are harming the black communities. And I don't believe screaming "racism" will resolve those problems.

    I don't believe that I, a white person, can fix those issues for them. Even if I were to accept the notion that I am racist simply because I am white, their problems would still exist. It would change nothing.
     
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    I am white and I never made such a choice to deny. Your one size fits all correlation has many exceptions. If one did not commit the crime, they should not have to do the time. You must be a Democrats who like to segregate races into one size fits all.

    I prefer how Martin Luther King did it, which was to separate all people in those with character, and those without character. This puts some whites, blacks, male, female, straight and slanted, on both the side of character, as well as on the side of lack of character.

    You can't solve racism with reverse racism, because no racist stereo type is ever 100% valid. This approach will always make honest people pay for a crime they did not commit, and allows corrupt people to get away with ill gotten gain. This assures division never ends. The Democrats know this and wish the division to remain perpetual.

    If you consider how Trump talks about immigrants, he separate them into legal and illegal immigrants. He then separates the illegal aliens into the bad hombres and the rest of them. He divides immigrants based on a diving line of lawful versus lawlessness. This is similar to character. The Democrats assume Trump is racist since they lump all immigrants, legal or illegal, honest to criminal, as one thing. The Democrats do not know how to judge by character, since this can't be inferred from the democratic leadership.
     
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    This is correct insofar as it goes, which is exactly its weight in electrons or, on its best day, ink.

    Here's the thing, though: You don't solve anything at all with racism.

    You argue against a lot of people's civil rights, Wellwisher. And, you know, maybe you don't take your own posts seriously, but the rest of us do. The only reason your statement that you "never made such a choice to deny" would ever be true is if you are not smart enough to comprehend the implications of your arguments and actions.
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with you on this point. Perpetuating the idea creates more harm than good. The only people who benefit are those stirring up the conflict.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Everything about the black experience in America has been shaped by prejudice.
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    And if racism is your expectation and default assumption, nothing will ever change in your life.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Bowser, how are you not advocating that the best way to solve the problem is to leave the problem in effect?
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Acknowledging the problem is usually the first step towards solving it.
     
  19. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    We want to see blacks succeed and prosper. We want to see stable black families. We want to see safe black communities. I truly believe most white Americans feel the same. If declaring ourselves racists will somehow make that happen, then fine, let's do it.
     
  20. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Are you a racist, spidergoat?
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever you say, Bowser.

    We get it.
     
  22. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe you do. As much as we want to help them, it really is on their shoulders.
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    The assessment that openly refuses history is unreliable.

    Insisting on an unreliable assessment in order to repeat ignorant and denigrating superstitions is malice.
     
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