Why the sky is dark in the night

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by The God, Mar 23, 2016.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    https://medium.com/starts-with-a-ba...er-than-the-speed-of-light-23dff8c10f3d#.v87z

    It means that as time goes on, the light emitted by distant galaxies gets shifted quite heavily towards the red part of the spectrum, resulting in a cosmological redshift.

    It means that there are some portions of the Universe that are so distant that light emitted from them will never be able to reach us. Currently, that point is anything beyond about 46.1 billion light years from us.

    And it means that any object beyond about 4.5 Gigaparsecs (or 14-to-15 billion light years) will never be reachable by us, or anything we do, from this point forward. All of those objects — objects making up 97% of the observable Universe by volume — are all presently beyond our reach. Even a photon, emitted right now, will never arrive at them, if that’s our destination

    So yes, as time goes on, all the objects that are caught up in the expansion of the Universe will accelerate away from us, faster and faster. Let enough time go by, and all of them will eventually wind up receding faster than the speed of light, unreachable by us in principle, no matter how fast of a rocket we build or how many signals we launch and the speed of light itself.

    Get our act together, and start intergalactic travel as soon as we can, before it’s too late. The Universe we have today is disappearing thanks to the accelerated expansion of space. Although no object ever moves through the fabric of space itself faster than the speed of light, there is no speed limit on the expansion of the fabric of space; it simply does as it pleases.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    But its you without references...It's you without credentials.....It's you seeing the need to insult and write off all other poster's comments that refute your position....It's you up shit creek without a paddle...

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    But certainly you are entitled to say and think what you like, its just your rather naive expectations that anyone is taking any notice of you.
    You do know where you are, right?

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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    As I have said a few times recently, the Uinverse is a dynamic entity that is never ceasing to change.........

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

    100 billion hence:
    The Universe's expansion causes all galaxies beyond the former Milky Way'sLocal Group to disappear beyond the cosmic light horizon, removing them from the observable universe.

    1.342×10 to 99 years from now:

    Estimated time until the central black hole of S5 0014+81, as of 2015 the most massive known with the mass of 40 billion solar masses, dissipates by the emission of Hawking radiation,[91] assuming zero angular momentum (non-rotating black hole). However, the black hole is on the state of accretion, so the time it takes may be longer than stated on the left.

    1.7×10 to 106 years from now:
    Estimated time until a supermassive black hole with a mass of 20 trillion solar masses decays by the Hawking process.[91] This marks the end of the Black Hole Era. Beyond this time, if protons do decay, the Universe enters the Dark Era, in which all physical objects have decayed to subatomic particles, gradually winding down to their final energy state in the heat death of the universe

    Check out the interesting link for more on the projected time line history of our Universe.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Dave is absolutely correct: The Universe/spacetime shines at 2.7K: Darkness is relative and dependant on EMR...

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    Perhaps in one of your temples, churches, mosques, gurudwaras, obahai centers.
    My statement as follows was tongue in cheek:
    And God said “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning the first day.
    Please do not take seriously.
     
  8. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Paddo is on roll...thank you Paddo.
     
  9. The God Valued Senior Member

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    As bright as day....wow Pado, you can go any extent to oppose me...
     
  10. The God Valued Senior Member

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    20 trillion is surely more than 1500 billion........
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, no not at all: I oppose your anti mainstream nonsense that's all.....I oppose your self admitted "playing games" on a science forum, to attempt to mask your many errors and indiscretions........I oppose your nonsensical conspiracy nonsense.
    Again, the Universe shines at 2.7K: Dave was/is correct...you are wrong.
     
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  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And we are talking about 1.7X 10 to 106 years hence. BH's will get bigger before they eventually evaporate.
    You really do not understand, do you?

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    On a roll? Is that all you have?
    While you "play games" [to use your own words] to mask your errors and mistakes, while you continue suggesting outrageous conspiracy crap, and while you continue on your anti mainstream science rants, I'll be doing my best to show those claims and suggestions and consequently yourself, for what you are.
     
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    Note that when the article said EGS8p7 was more than 13.2 billion light years away, it was referring to a light-travel-time distance. I'm not sure of the actual distance, but I envisage it's something like 44 billion light years. Also note that Hawking radiation remains conjectural, and that whilst we have evidence from WMAP and elsewhere suggesting that the universe is flat, we don't have any evidence for an infinite universe. It's a non-sequitur to say a flat universe is an infinite universe. Yes, it's in the NASA article, but that's a pop-science article. We don't know that the Universe is infinite in extent, and we cannot conclude that the Universe is much larger than the volume we can directly observe.
     
  14. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    correct--simply because a light year is a measurement unit of distance and not time.
     
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  15. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, it is really more of a simultenaity convention: unless otherwise specified, events happen when you see them.
     
  16. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    but at what points/locations of the gravitational lensing are you referring too from the many points/locations that it would occur from while traveling through/in the cosmos? why do you, only, simply, refer to one point of gravitational lensing?
    what if it was lens-ed from one galaxy and then was lens-ed again from another galaxy while traveling through the cosmos?
     
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  17. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    well, simply stop posting and the nonsense will cease. it is this simple.
     
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  18. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    " like"
     
  19. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    It is amazing to me that this thread is still going on, since the question was answered in the first page...
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't, so not sure what your point is. Also, I don't have a premise; you asked a question that makes an assumption.

    In a discussion of science, one must be careful to be unambiguous. Darkness, in a scientific context, is ambiguous, if not naive. What is dark to our eyeballs is not dark to our technology.

    So, I have clarified.

    The universe is awash with EMR. Your question, to be unambiguous, needs to be reformed. (Otherwise, this would be a very short thread, as origin just pointed out.)

    Correct.

    We can move forward now, with the clarification.

    So what is your new question?
    Presumably, it is why is there so little visible light in the universe? - but I don't want to put words in your mouth.
     
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  21. The God Valued Senior Member

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    We are not discussing the meaning of word darkness or brightness......all here who know basic Physics, understand what the darkness is in the context..

    You made a statement that it is not dark, it is awashed with the radiation......technically correct but a pretty loose statement to kill the discussion........see how Paddo latched on to this.
     
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  22. The God Valued Senior Member

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    You refer to a very profound technical point.......multiple lensing by multiple objects on the way...what a ding-dong life for poor photon..

    But to answer you, the GL point is substantially away from the peripheral point of a Galaxy (Probably running into millions of light years), suggesting that such Galaxy (which can bend photon millions of light years away) will have very high gravity, kind of local (group) influence is very high and spacetime expansion should not be appreciable....So from which point onwards the spacetime expansion takes control from the Gravity ?

    You will understand this better if you know that there is no spacetime expansion between Andromeda and Milky way...why ? Simply because Gravity dominates......so for a very remote galaxy, the originating light, starts redshifting from which point onwards....from the source itself or once it comes out of the local Gravity influence ?
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Of course we are! You're just starting another of your familiar avoidance of the issue as usual.

    Yep, technically and physically correct at least for anyone familiar with COBE and the CMBR at 2.7K
    And of course I latched onto it, just as I have latched onto other issues you have subsequently but expectedly ignored when shown to be in error.
    Do you expect to be able to spread your gospel of anti mainstream nonsense without any refutation or come back?
    Think again.
     

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