Questions about Immunization

The misinformation is strong in this thread....

From the National Cancer Institute:

HPV vaccines are highly effective in preventing infection with the types of HPV they target when given before initial exposure to the virus—which means before individuals begin to engage in sexual activity. In the trials that led to approval of Gardasil and Cervarix, these vaccines were found to provide nearly 100 percent protection against persistent cervical infections with HPV types 16 and 18 and the cervical cell changes that these persistent infections can cause. Gardasil 9 is as effective as Gardasil for the prevention of diseases caused by the four shared HPV types (6, 11, 16, and 18), based on similar antibody responses in participants inclinical studies. The trials that led to approval of Gardasil 9 found it to be 97 percent effective in preventing cervical, vulvar, and vaginal disease caused by the five additional HPV types (31, 33, 45, 52, and 58) that it targets (18).

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Widespread vaccination with Cervarix or Gardasil has the potential to reduce cervical cancerincidence around the world by as much as two-thirds, while Gardasil 9 could prevent an even higher proportion. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with follow-up from abnormal cervical screening, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to follow-up procedures (27).​

People who say that they would have been better off having cancer, then they clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

On cervical cancer:

270,000 women died of cervical cancer worldwide in 2002.[55] Acting FDA Administrator Andrew von Eschenbach said the vaccine will have "a dramatic effect" on the health of women around the world.[56] Even in the United States, where screening programs are routine, the National Cancer Institute estimated that 9,700 women would develop cervical cancer in 2006, and 3,700 would die.​

On the deaths associated with Gardasil:

The FDA and the CDC said that with millions of vaccinations "by chance alone some serious adverse effects and deaths" will occur in the time period following vaccination, but they have nothing to do with the vaccine.[48] More than twenty women who received the Gardasil vaccine have died, but these deaths have not been causally connected to the shot.[48] Where information has been available, the cause of death was explained by other factors.[49][50] Likewise, a small number of cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) have been reported following vaccination with Gardasil, though there is no evidence linking GBS to the vaccine.[14][44][51] It is unknown why a person develops GBS, or what initiates the disease.[52]

The FDA and the CDC monitor events to see if there are patterns, or more serious events than would be expected from chance alone.[49] The majority (68%) of side effects data were reported by the manufacturer, but in about 90% of the manufacturer reported events, no follow-up information was given that would be useful to investigate the event further.[45] In February 2009, the Spanish ministry of health suspended use of one batch of Gardasil after health authorities in the Valencia region reported that two girls had become ill after receiving the injection. Merck has stated that there was no evidence Gardasil was responsible for the two illnesses.[53]​

Firstly, there is no evidence that directly ties all the deaths to the vaccine. Secondly, in other instances, other factors were to blame.

Reality:

As of April 2014, more than 170 million doses of Gardasil had been distributed worldwide.[39] The vaccine was tested in thousands of females (ages 9 to 26).[40] The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) consider the vaccine to be safe. It does not contain mercury, thiomersal, live viruses or dead viruses, but virus-like particles, which cannot reproduce in the human body.[40]​

170 million doses have been distributed. Very few deaths and severe adverse reactions.

How many deaths have been attributed to it since it was released?

I'll put it into some perspective for you and so you can see just how effective it is.

The vaccine is also a penile cancer preventative, in that it reduces a man's chance of developing penile cancer, which is one of the rarest forms for men. How rare is penile cancer?

The American Cancer Society estimates for penile cancer in the United States for 2015 are:
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• • • About 1,820 new cases of penile cancer diagnosed
    • About 310 deaths from penile cancer

Penile cancer is rare in North America and Europe. It occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States. Penile cancer is, however, much more common in some parts of Asia, Africa, and South America.​

One of the rarest forms of cancer kills more men per year in America, then the vaccine has killed all up in the years it has been available, world wide.

170 million doses.

I'll put it this way...

More people, adults and children alike, die from choking on food or objects per year in the US, than has ever died from the vaccine.

There will always be some people who will suffer adverse reactions to a vaccine. Which is why others need to be vaccinated to ensure their protection.

 

2,000 families and only $6 million?

Out of 170 million vaccines issued?

It's not just the matter of the greater good. But 2,000 families out of 170 million. In the grand scheme of things, that isn't so bad. In fact, the number seem very very low.

And people will have adverse reactions to medications and vaccines. Which is why things like the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was set up, to provide those individuals with compensation.

There are also people who should not receive vaccines at all. I mean, I cannot ever have a flu vaccine because I had a severe adverse reaction to it. Some had more severe reactions than I did. What caused it was the culture medium they used to grow the viruses that caused my allergic reaction. They had changed it and when I had it, I broke out in an all over rash within 12 hours, I collapsed and required a trip to the hospital. Some had severe breathing difficulties. But the number who had the reaction compared to the number of people who had the vaccine was minor. It doesn't mean that I would now campaign against it. It is necessary for those who need it or who are compromised and for whom, having the flu could prove deadly (like my parents - mother had a heart attack and is now weaker and worse off for it and father has been recently diagnosed with bowel cancer and one of the first things they did was to ask him if he had had his flu shot because he would have been required to get one before he started chemo and radio if he hadn't).

My kids will have the Gardasil vaccines, because I do not expect them to become monks and not only do I want to reduce their chances of developing things like penile cancer, I also want to make sure that they will reduce their chance of contracting an STD that could result in a woman developing cervical cancer. My kids are fully immunised. As a parent, it is the greatest thing I have ever done for them. I know what happens when there are no access to vaccines and when people are not vaccinated. I have lost family members and witnessed the horror of what those common childhood diseases can cause. And as a cancer survivor, I would be doing my children, and every person they may ever be intimate with, a disservice if I do not ensure they are vaccinated for HPV.

I think using terms like "US kangaroo vaccine court" is a bit out there, sorry. Vaccines have reduced the number of deaths from diseases like Measles, just as it has reduced the chances of contracting measles, polio, TB, and don't even get me started on small pox eradication. It is one of man kind's greatest ever achievement. The reason everyone should be vaccinated is because it protects those who should not and cannot be vaccinated. Let's face it, the majority who have had Gardasil have not had severe adverse reaction.

 

You are talking about the Gary Null video you linked in post #124?

By this Gary Null?

Gary Michael Null (born 1945) is an American talk radio host and author who advocates for alternative medicine and naturopathy[1] and who produces a line of dietary supplements.[2] He is an AIDS denialist and an anti-vaccinationist.[3]

His views on health and nutrition are at odds with scientific consensus; psychiatrist Stephen Barrett, co-founder of the National Council Against Health Fraud and webmaster of Quackwatch, described Null as "one of the nation's leading promoters of dubious treatment for serious disease".[1]

On his radio show, and in books and self-produced movies, Null attacks the medical community, promotes a range of alternative cancer treatments, denies that HIV causes AIDS,[4] opposes genetically modified foods, and promotes dietary supplements which he produces.

In 2010, Null reported that he and six other consumers had been hospitalized from vitamin D poisoning, after ingesting a nutritional supplement carrying his name and endorsement. Null sued a contractor involved in producing the product, alleging that each contained more than 1,000 times the dose of vitamin D reported on the label.[5][6]​

I'm sorry, you were actually serious about posting that video?

I had assumed it was a jab at the conspiracy theorist... And you.. ermm.. believe what this guy says?

Do you have.. oooh I don't know, a journal article or study instead of a "movie" from a guy who doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS and who is into, well, quack treatment for serious medical conditions and diseases?

And you were the one who initially said awarded to 2,000 families. Has this now changed to 3,000 as from your last post?

Here is what the CDC say:

Between June 2006 and March 2014, when about 67 million doses of HPV vaccine had been given out in the United States, VAERS received 96 reports of death after people received the Gardasil vaccine. Among the 96 reports of death, many could not be further studied because there was not enough information included in the report to verify that a person had died. In 47 of the reports, CDC verified that the person had died through review of medical records, autopsy reports, and death certificates. After careful review of every known case of death that has happened after Gardasil vaccination, CDC concluded:

• There is no diagnosis that would suggest Gardasil caused the death
  • There is no pattern of death occurring with respect to time after vaccination
  • There is no consistent vaccine dose number or combination of vaccines given among the reports

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Now, I have tried to find evidence of the payout and the detail about it and how many actually received it and for what. What I found were a few dozen conspiracy theorist sites making this claim, and people like Peter Lind, who authored the article you linked, who is a "wellness" doctor who also happens to be an anti-vaxxer and he links to a website called "Judicial Watch", which after a search on that website to find the source of the figures he gave, kept going on about a Government conspiracy and the like.

And I had read the article you had linked, but it is not supported by anything actually factual. Do you have anything better that is not from an anti-vaxxer site or authored by an anti-vaxxer?

Mine was about 5 years ago. I believe it was when they changed the culture medium. I am fine with other vaccines. Just not that particular flu vaccine.

And do you have something from a reputable source? A science journal or medical journal instead of a nearly 2 hour long video by a guy who is an AIDS denier and who made himself sick from his own vitamin supplements?

Babies can contract HepB in the birth canal from their mother who may not even be aware that she has it or had it. The CDC has a very good paper explaining the disease and the vaccine and why they vaccinate and who and when. Perhaps you could try reading that. I know it isn't as snazzy as a video made by an alternative therapist anti-vaxxer and AIDS denier, but I hope you read it.

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Yes, I am a lawyer. And the video you posted is a piece of biased trash that has no factual basis or basis in science. It is a piece of fluff that appeals to anti-vaxxers because it feeds off and buys into their fear, not to mention the fear of conspiracy theorists. I would not take anything he claims seriously. In fact, I do not take any of it (the video you linked) seriously and I certainly do not see it as being honest or truthful.

Oh, and here is a link you can read about "vaccine courts" and how they work.