Vaccine related autism study?

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    WATCHUNG, N.J., June 13, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ -- "Just months after U.S. Congressman Bill Posey compared the Center for Disease Control (CDC)'s vaccine safety studies to the SEC's Bernie Madoff scandal, malfeasance in the CDC's studies of thimerosal-containing vaccines has, for the first time, been documented in peer-reviewed scientific literature. While the CDC states on its website that "low doses of thimerosal in vaccines do not cause harm, and are only associated with minor local injection site reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site," the journal BioMed Research International now provides direct evidence that the CDC's safety assurances about the mercury-containing preservative are not fact-based, according to the article's lead author, Brian Hooker, PhD.

    The paper opens by citing over 165 studies that have found Thimerosal to be harmful, including 16 studies that had reported outcomes in human infants and children of death, acrodynia, poisoning, allergic reaction, malformations, auto-immune reaction, Well's syndrome, developmental delay and neurodevelopmental disorders including tics, speech delay, language delay, ADHD and autism. These findings by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years have consistently found thimerosal to be harmful. "Substantial scientific evidence exists and has existed for many years that the vaccine ingredient thimerosal is a developmental neurotoxin" says George Lucier, former Associate Director of the National Toxicology Program.

    Studies showing harm from thimerosal sharply contradict published outcomes of six CDC coauthored and sponsored papers – the very studies that CDC relies upon to declare that thimerosal is "safe" for use in infant and maternal vaccines. Dr. Hooker, biochemist and vaccine industry watchdog, said of the six CDC studies, "Each of these papers is fatally flawed from a statistics standpoint and several of the papers represent issues of scientific malfeasance. For example, important data showing a relationship between thimerosal exposure and autism are withheld from three of the publications (Price et al. 2010, Verstraeten et al. 2003 and Madsen et al. 2003). This type of cherry-picking of data by the CDC in order to change the results of important research studies to support flawed and dangerous vaccination policies should not be tolerated."

    Dr. Boyd Haley, international expert in mercury toxicity and a co-author of the recently published paper said "There is no doubt that authorities in the CDC have initiated and participated in a cover-up of vaccine-induced damage from thimerosal to our children----and this I consider criminal." The paper, "Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines is Safe," was published on June 6 and contains eight pages of evidence that the CDC has had knowledge of the vaccine preservative's neurological risks, yet continues to cover them up.

    The paper concludes, "five of the publications examined in this review were directly commissioned by the CDC, raising the possible issue of conflict of interests or research bias, since vaccine promotion is a central mission of the CDC. Conceivably, if serious neurological disorders are found to be related to Thimerosal in vaccines, such findings could possibly be viewed as damaging to the vaccine program."


    Dr. Hooker has submitted over 100 FOIA requests to the CDC over the past 10 years and has amassed thousands of pages of documents showing malfeasance in the CDC's vaccine safety program. Hooker revealed that one CDC document quoted a top official instructing CDC employees to "Review all correspondences and documents to see if there is 'foreseeable harm' to the agency if they were released" so the documents could be redacted by CDC attorneys prior to release.

    Barry Segal, founder of the Focus Autism Foundation and former entrepreneur whose company sales peaked near $2 billion said, "We are in the process of exposing what may be the biggest federal scandal ever with immense damage to our economy and our people, especially our children who are the future of our country. Their health has been compromised by mercury in vaccines. We need Congress to take action now. Thimerosal must be banned."

    A more effective vaccine preservative "2PE" has replaced thimerosal in many other vaccines and possesses a much better safety profile according to Dr. Hooker.

    The Focus Autism Foundation is dedicated to providing information to the public that exposes the cause or causes of the autism epidemic and the rise of chronic illnesses – focusing specifically on the role of vaccinations. To learn more, visit FocusAutism.org. A Shot of Truth is an educational campaign sponsored by Focus Autism."=====http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cdcs-vaccine-safety-research-exposed-115600020.html
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    One of the most effective medicines known to man is the placebo.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    And yet, from your own site:
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/

    So, they are saying that amounts in excess of 25 micrograms of Thimerosal increases the risk 1.8 times.

    Interesting to note... considering:

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
    So... modern vaccines that DO have Thimerosalcontain one microgram or less, considering the FDA considers "trace amounts" to be "1 microgram or less per dose"
    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
    So... then... what's the problem here?
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I have repeated this many times. Thimerasol is still used in multidose vaccines, and in other countries. So yes, it is still being used, and in quantities exceeding 25 micrograms.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old.

    Filed by a citizen-backed coalition advocating vaccine safety, the lawsuit against the FDA alleged that the agency's continued endorsement and approval of thimerosal as a vaccine additive is a serious public health threat, especially since safer alternatives already exist and are widely used voluntarily by many vaccine manufacturers. But Judge Brett Kavanaugh, siding with antiquated pseudoscience, decided that thimerosal is not a health threat, and that those who wish to avoid it can simply choose thimerosal-free alternatives.

    Ignoring the evidence of thimerosal's dangers brought before him on behalf of the millions of children across the country who continue to be injected with this mercury-based additive, Judge Kavanaugh declared that the plaintiffs, which include groups like the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CMFD), did not have proper standing to file the lawsuit. And in the process, both he and the FDA inadvertently admitted that thimerosal is still present in many childhood vaccines, which counters popular claims to the contrary.

    FDA admits on its website that thimerosal is still in vaccines
    The fact that Judge Kavanaugh refused to hear the case is tragic in and of itself, as thimerosal, which is composed of 50 percent mercury, has been proven to cause serious health damage. But what may be even worse is the fact that many people falsely believe that thimerosal is not even included in vaccines anymore, which is leading them to blindly allow them to be administered to their children. And the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FDA have continued to provide dubious and misleading information on the subject, which the mainstream media has been complicit in spreading over the years.

    But the FDA explains, in no uncertain terms, directly on its website that thimerosal is still added to certain vaccines. For this reason alone, it is crucial that parents who choose to vaccinate their children ask for an ingredients list for each and every vaccine before allowing them to be administered to their children.

    "While the use of mercury-containing preservatives has declined in recent years with the development of new products formulated with alternative or no preservatives, thimerosal has been used in some immune globulin preparations, anti-venins, skin test antigens, and ophthalmic and nasal products, in addition to certain vaccines," writes the FDA on its Thimerosal in Vaccines page (http://www.fda.gov)."



    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html#ixzz3RwILO1CR
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Okay... so you want the US to go play "world police" on vaccinations now?
    Oh... but wait, we dont' CARE about global issues, because you keep pulling facts based on US statistics (such as the measles trend in the US, deaths in the US, etc)

    Pick your scope - are we going to go worldwide, nationwide, or what...

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1

    I see a grand total of seven vaccines with 25 micrograms of mercury... and half of those are for the flu...
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You don't care about kids outside the U.S? I do. It would only take statements by WHO to get the facts out to other countries about the dangers of Thimerasol. It would be expensive, but vaccine manufacturers in other countries MIGHT switch over if pressured enough. Are you against that?

    Your the one complaining how antivaxxers are causing measles deaths and then jumping to third world countries to prove it. You've been exposed for this tactic twice now.
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Absolute rubbish and blatant fear-mongering. From the sources cited for that paper:

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/23/44979.htm

    They fully acknowledge that there is no actionable case here.

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

    This is a part of my above listing - again, the bulk of the vaccines with mercury are the FLU vaccine.

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/children.htm

    I see no mention here of Thimerosal at all, so whatever "facts" they pulled from here are probably based around the dosage of influenza vaccination
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Aha... ahahahaha!

    You care about kids in other countries? Fine... stop buying products manufactured by, or with, materials from Chinese child-labor shops, and get those factories shut down. That'll do FAR more to protect children in other countries than any anti-vaccination movement.

    YOU are the one bringing up the "oh, it isn't happening in the US" bit...

    Repeatedly...

     
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  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So you admit there's still Thimerasol in vaccines in the U.S. Thanks.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Show me any place where I said that NONE of the Vaccines in the US contain Thimerasol...

    Oh, right, you cannot, because I did not.

    The point still stands that fully HALF of the vaccinations that do contain Thimerasol are for Influenza... which an infant under the age of 6 months should not be getting anyway.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Measles deaths AREN'T happening in the U.S. Thimerasol vaccines ARE. See the difference?
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Your argument, in a nutshell:

    Because some people are allergic to peanuts, I am not going to eat fish.

    Thimerasol isn't IN the Measles vaccination in the US...

    Was thimerosal used in all childhood vaccines?
    • No. Some other vaccines, including the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (MMR), do not and did not ever contain thimerosal or any preservative. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
    • There is no thimerosal used in the vaccines on the childhood immunization schedule. Read more about each of these vaccines:
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I never said it was. I said it was in some vaccines and we need to get rid of it. For instance, when pregnant mothers get their flu vaccines, that mercury goes straight into the fetus.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So when it comes to Measles, you are arguing Ignoratio elenchi... got it.

    So then, the simple solution, is that a mother who is pregnant shouldn't GET a Thimerasol containing influenza vaccination...

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

    Problem solved!
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.

    Thanks for confirming that. Now watch this:




    And let's not forget all those thimerasol vaccines in other countries. All the kids I'M not supposed to care about.
     
  20. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Wait, so does this mean you are now "totally on board" with all childhood vaccinations again?
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Who knows Russ... he keeps changing his tune every few posts
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So when it supports you, you worry about the "other countries"... and when it doesn't, you claim they are irrelevant.

    You really are a piece of work...
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I merely stated the obvious fact that antivaxxers aren't causing measles deaths in third world countries. Does such even need to be said? Apparently here it does.
     

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