Like most organisation, it probably leaks like a sieve. I would imagine there are spies within the ranks or people who have been forced to convert to not be killed and now are helping to destroy them. There are a range of possibilities on that score. Jordan did release some information about their targets. I assume more will come to light in the coming days: Jordan earlier said it had sent tens of fighter jets to pound ISIS targets in Syria on Thursday, including ammunition depots and training camps. The fires could have been from their bombing their ammunition depots.
That's kind of ironic, seeing as how your first post was a personal attack on Milkweed. That was a rather aggressive and trollish move in my opinion, trying to shift the subject of the thread away from the Jordanian airstrikes towards criticism of board participants' personalities. And there you go, pushing emotional buttons as frantically as you can, while attacking your targets for revealing any emotion. Trolling 101.
I considered preparing a lengthy response to Bell's last post to me, but decided to opt for an executive summary. This is it: Bollocks. Emotional bollocks. And if I am condescending to you Bells, it is because you assuredly deserve it. Your posts drip, reek and exude emotion, from every snide phrase, from each patronising clause, and from the heart of your delusional self-righteousness. Grow the fuck up!
Firstly, calm down. Because this is getting ridiculous and you are making yourself look foolish. Secondly, I really am not emotional. You mistake my sarcasm at your repeated assertions that I am emotional as being emotion. And some disdain at this obsession about how I must be all emotional and losing my shit in some way, shape or form. I am not. So please, stop demanding that I am. If you cannot argue the facts, making it personal and trying to go after my emotions that you insist must be on display is not a winning strategy. Plus it is kind of weird.
Back to topic.. A few interesting articles in the BBC about the murder of the pilot may have cost ISIS.. I am leaving out some of the more gruesome details and how the West responded. You can read the article in full for all the details.. By burning to death Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh, militant group Islamic State is leveraging its power to asymmetrically shock its enemies, argues Shiraz Maher, a Senior Fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King's College London. Even by the barbaric standards of Islamic State, the murder of the captured Jordanian pilot is particularly gruesome. The 26-year-old is paraded around the site of an alleged coalition airstrike, presumably to witness its effects first-hand. He is then placed in a metal cage and set alight. The scenes are harrowing, the screams of anguish unimaginably horrific. The slow, soft focus cinematography - coupled with primitive sadism for which IS's videos have come to be known - is always designed to shock. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Indeed, the outrage from Muslims has been so strong that IS members have been forced to respond quickly with their own justifications for the act. Regardless of the group's reasoning, this was the fate to which Lt Kasasbeh was condemned. From the moment Islamic State captured him they had made it clear that he would be killed. Indeed, they even attempted to crowd-source his murder, at times asking users on social media to suggest precisely how he should be killed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instead, what it has is asymmetric power - the ability to shock and terrify with videos such as the one released on Tuesday. As always, we are the audience and the aim is clear - to shock and scare us. In that regard the video has already been a success. Jordanians are outraged, but many are also asking why the country is participating in the coalition air raids against Islamic State. The United Arab Emirates had already gone a step further after Lt Kasasbeh was captured in December. It withdrew from the coalition altogether, citing fears for the safety of its pilots. That is perhaps the most potent weapon Islamic State possess today - the carefully curated asymmetry of fear. And as we know, this appears to have backfired on them somewhat. The reaction of Muslims around the world, particular from the other countries in the region has been one of absolute horror and disgust and condemnation. Coalition members, such as the UAE who had withdrawn support for the bombing campaign when he had been captured have today announced they would be supporting Jordan and relaunching their air campaign against ISIS. The United Arab Emirates has said it is sending F-16 fighters to Jordan to support the country's airstrikes against Islamic State (IS) militants. Jordan has pledged retaliation against IS after the group posted a video of a Jordanian pilot being burnt alive. The UAE stopped taking part in coalition airstrikes against IS after Moaz al-Kasasbeh was seized last year. It is not clear if the UAE squadron will be carrying out raids on IS from Jordan. The move "reaffirms the UAE's unwavering and constant solidarity with Jordan", the country's official news agency reported.
I'm thoroughly confused. So we're supposed to be outraged about ISIS burning a pilot, but when Assad burns thousands of protestors it's just an internal Iranian affair?
I only require a single fuck to become calmer than the Dalai Lama. The ridiculousness began with your first simplistic post. Sarcasm, the last refuge of the...... If you cannot formulate a sound, objective response to criticisms, then perhaps you should take up dressmaking. My posts to you were objective and on point, until your provocation required a response. You are an educated person. I could overlook this abuse of language once, but I think this is the third time. I am not demanding that you are emotional. That would mean that I insist that you become emotional. Nothing from me on the topic itself? Certainly not. You have added nothing to your simplistic analysis, apart from lightweight back peddling.
Pass thanks. We don't need to hear the details. Oh I am sorry. You expected me to wring my hands about what I thought should happen, to wait, to have years of analysis about what led to this and then decide how to act? This is the same load of bull we have done repeatedly and then sat back and watched as hundreds of thousands of people, sometimes much more, were slaughtered. Your response is virtually 'I don't know what to do' is not good enough. If Governments continue to respond in such a way to what is, in every sense of the word, genocide, then we may as well pack up the UN, dismantle the ICC and every single human rights organisation which exists. In other words, we may as well become chickenshit. It is not good enough. I don't know and then complaining that responding with force to defeat people who wish to commit acts of genocide is simplistic is not good enough. I do not particularly care that you find my opinion offensive and put it down to my being emotional, nor do I care that you think my opinion that people who set out to commit genocide should be met with absolute force is simplistic. It is better than hand wringing and 'I don't know what needs to be done' types of responses. Dressmaking now. After repeated assertions that I must be emotional, you now resort to suggesting I take up sewing. What's going to be next? Stay home and just have babies? Because that is how condescending you are coming across. I have supported my argument and my stance with figures and explained why my stance is what it is and why my opinion is what it is. At least I have an opinion on the matter and have not retreated behind the skirts of 'it is too complex'. The main crux of your argument in this thread has been to complain about my emotions. I have asked you to stop so many times and you are still to respect that request, just as you are still to understand that my position is not an emotional one. You are very much demanding that I am emotional. You may not think you are, but you are. You appear to be offended that I am saying I am not emotional about this as you seem to be. I know, you expected my hand wringing and you want more "I don't know what should be done". Have you ever heard of Michael Ignatieff's Tanner Lectures, delivered at Princeton in 2000? Here is some of what was discussed and this is particularly prudent about what we are seeing today in the Middle East: Three criteria have emerged in the late 1990s to ration interventions: (1) the human rights abuses at issue have to be gross, systematic, and pervasive; (2) they have to be a threat to international peace and security in the surrounding region; and (3) military intervention has to stand a real chance of putting a stop to the abuses. In practice, a fourth criterion comes into play: the region in question must be of vital interest, for cultural, strategic, or geopolitical reasons, to one of the powerful nations in the world. It is fair to say that all three, and even the fourth criteria, have been met in this instance. Ignatieff is exceptionally critical of the role of the West in creating instability in certain areas of the world, as he is critical in regards to the way in which the West responds. But those criteria's stand. He then discusses how the fourth and in many respects, the second criteria, failed in Rwanda, and where valuing human life should have forced an intervention. In that regard, strong military intervention to stop ISIS is valid. In other words, for all of your complaining that my desire to simply stop them and yes, destroy them entirely, is simplistic, at the very least, it looks at what should matter the most. What you have failed to notice in my responses because you were so focused on my being emotional in your opinion, is that for the first time ever, Middle Eastern countries were allied with the West to face down a threat that not only posed a dire risk to the whole region's instability, but also posed a direct and exceptional risk to the very people who live in the Middle East. This is the first time that we have seen this level of acceptance that all must work to defeat them. To label such a response to this crisis down as being just too simplistic is astounding. Make no mistake, the countries in the Middle East and the West are all intent on one thing. And yes, that is to destroy the organisation entirely. Why that needs to happen should not need to be explained. You only need to read the UN reports on the death toll to figure that one out. I can only hope, at this point, that I do not need to explain why ISIS needs to be destroyed. Governments around the world need to address the inflow of recruits into ISIS. The discussions on how and why Muslims around the world feel disenfranchised has to happen and it needs to be addressed, and this is something I have argued for repeatedly. Never once have I dismissed it. Nor have I ever dismissed the role of the West in having created the vacuum which allowed and encouraged Muslims to turn to groups like ISIS. But to label the need to destroy ISIS as being simplistic.. That is astounding. Because it should be our biggest priority in the region right now. It takes precedent because of the dire risk to human rights of everyone at the moment. Certainly, how we treat Muslims has created a giant hole which has resulted in so many feeling that ISIS somehow represents or understands how they feel. I suspect many find that upon reaching Iraq and Syria, they are sorely disappointed when they find out what ISIS actually does represent. However, if we do nothing, if we do not help the Middle Easter countries defeat ISIS, then we will have a bigger issue on our hands, when millions upon millions of Muslims and Arabs ask why we did nothing to prevent the genocide of Arabs and Muslims in the region. Because if we do nothing and if we respond with "it is too complex" or "the issue is too complex", then their feelings of being left behind, their plight ignored, will be far greater than what it is now. Because then it will be the majority who will rightfully question why we sat back and did nothing and hid behind "it is too complex". But hey, it is very easy to hide behind "it is too complex" in the face of genocide. We certainly have a history of doing that, so perhaps you are merely being true to form as a Westerner. Who knows. I certainly do not know what motivates your opinions. It is time to think outside of the box and for once, try to stop genocide before it happens rather than whine about the complexities of the issue and only pretend to act after everyone is dead.
You mean anyone that dare post opinions in opposition to your minority stance on this? I hate war murder, atrocities, terrorism, of any sort, always have, always will. I'm also not responsible for atrocities, wars and terrorism of past ages. I decry all that mankind has wrought on his neighbours in the name of religion, greed, land or whatever. But the past is the past. I can do nothing about it. This is the 21st century, 15 years into it in fact, and the atrocities of this "death cult" are not of our time. This isn't any stupid "eye for an eye" These arseholes, these radiculised ratbags, these scum of the earth, have declared war on humanity in the most vile cruel way possible. And as has been shown, most of the world, including other Muslim countries are now rallying to stop their aggression and terrorist tactics. Wipe them off the face of the earth? as I've heard some say...If that's the only way to bring their animalistic, inhumane assault on the world to an end....Then yes, bring it on!
You don't appear to have learned that it is not enough to win the war, we also have to win the peace. I hear nothing from you on that score. That is unfortunate, for I don't doubt your sincerity, merely your inability to consider how to avoid creating the next problem in disposing of this one.
The question is, will it create the next problem? Considering most of the Muslim world also decry the actions of a group of insane radicalised sub humans, I'm not sure it will create the next problem. But this is the 21st century and if there is another problem, then we deal with that when the time comes. The point is at this present time, we have a "death cult" that has no regard for life [there own or anyone else's] that are brainwashed to the extreme, that would demonise much of what we accept in our western culture today, and would make women virtually second class citizens if they got there own way. That needs to be halted.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Perhaps it would be more prudent and sensible for you to comment on the actual subject matter and views expressed, rather then some agenda laden pathetic pedant, that will impress no one else but yourself. Just saying. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Prudent!!?? paddoboy, your supposed "FACT"'s impress no one...not even yourself... ...so, I did "comment on the actual subject matter and views expressed"...i.e., the "view" that : "This is the 21st century, 15 years into it in fact, and the atrocities of this "death cult" are not of our time." !!! paddoboy, if the "the atrocities of this "death cult" are not of our time", who's time are they of?? ...and yes, paddoboy, we all know that it is your "Ilk" that "talks the talk" against everything...yet your "Ilk" will never be the "boots on the ground". ...67 years on..."ISIS" is just the "Art Official Name" for the "puppets" this time around...
Someone said it in another thread, [origin?] these supposed religious fanatics are not really all that they seem to be.......It's obviously less about their extreme brand of religion, [for some at least] and more about the fact that they are the dregs of society, the scum of the Earth, murderers, druggies, some carrying an ever lasting chip on their shoulders against all humanity, and using their religion as an excuse to execute their frustrations on all. All appropriate action should be taken to degrade and eliminate their "death cult" They won't be missed, by their own kind, or the world at large.
So...grab your stuff and go "eliminate their "death cult" "!!! Don't just "Talk and Troll" paddoboy, go to the mid-east and show that you can back up your "Talk".
Here's a great example of their goals and aspirations..... http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/meast/inside-isis-juergen-todenhoefer/index.html "Slavery absolutely signals progress," the man said. "Only ignorant people believe that there is no slavery among the Christians and the Jews. Of course there are woman who are forced into prostitution under the worst circumstances. "I would say that slavery is a great help to us and we will continue to have slavery and beheadings, it is part of our religion ... many slaves have converted to Islam and have then been freed." "I think the Islamic State is a lot more dangerous than Western leaders realize," he said. "They believe in what they are fighting for and are preparing the largest religious cleansing campaign the world has ever seen." http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/meast/inside-isis-juergen-todenhoefer/index.html
