Street Harrassment.!!!

Well you keep bringing her up. Which is bizarre on its own. At first I assumed it was an expert. Then you admit she is someone you watch on your morning television show. But the point remains the same. She is free and entitled to her opinion. I do not have to share it.

She does not view comments as street harassment, if what you advised was what she actually said. And it seems that for her, it's only bad if they try to rape the woman or something along those lines.

Where did I say that my opinion carries more weight than yours? Can you please link me directly to this?

You seem to attribute things to me that I have never said. Like when you claimed that this Gayle person had said something and then said that it looked like I did not speak for all women after all. I never claimed I had spoken for all women in the first place. So why would you make such a statement?

I need to ask... Why are you so intent on making things up about me? It's a bit weird and you seem somewhat obsessive about it.

If it is unwanted and unasked for, yes, I would consider it to be harassment because I tend to view strange men who approach me to talk about what I am wearing to be weirdos and I do not particularly like talking to weirdos. The only way or time I would not view it as such would be if you were a cross-dresser or a transvestite or gay and have excellent taste in shoes. Are you?

Because if you are not, then I really cannot understand why you would feel compelled to tell strangers what you think about their clothes. Why do you believe your opinion about what my shoes look like is so valuable that you would feel the need to approach me and tell me so?

And just a heads up.. Asking me the same question so many times in the same sentence is a tad strange.

Well no, I did not. I paraphrased her opinion. She said she would twirl about and say thank you and then said it is only bad or that it was not as though the guy was threatening or trying to throw her to the ground to bonk her brain out or something along those lines. In other words, she does not view strange men on the street commenting about her clothes to be street harassment and men who do, she would twirl around or whirl around and say thank you.

You do understand what paraphrase is, don't you?

 

More dodging of questions..

What is your obsession with this woman?

I do not know who she is. As far as I was concerned, she could have been a woman, a man or a cartoon or a fictional character.

But I did not alter it. You kept demanding I pay attention to what she said. I do not happen to agree with her. Why is this such a problem for you?

You do not understand what this thread is about? Harassment that happens to women who walk down the street, going about their daily lives.

Hence the term "street harassment". Do you need me to explain the connection for you?

Sorry?

Because I do not care what a television personality says, it is a comprehension issue?

Whatever would give you the impression that I do or claim to have done so?

I have not, so your assertion that I do not speak for all women seems as though you were countering a point that I had made such a stupid claim. Remember Motor Daddy, you are the one who went out of your way to attribute things to me in this thread. Not the other way around.

Here is the thing about harassment. If someone feels harassed, then it is harassment. Why? Because they are feeling harassed. That should be obvious.

You are also leaving out what else can happen with said street harassment when you decide that you wish to accost women and tell them what you think about their shoes. If she tells you to go away and back off, and you keep doing it, that can be illegal. If you touch her, attempt to restrict her movement by standing in front of her and prevent her from reaching her destination because you just cannot help yourself but to comment about her shoes, that can also be illegal.

No.

Why would you think that?

I would consider one to be threatening and weird and the other to not be threatening and weird. Having gone to gay clubs on many occasions, I have no problem with transvestites or cross dressers or gay people commenting on my shoes. Why? Because they are not doing it to be weird. But you doing that? I would think you were a weirdo.

 

So she is discussing street harassment and how she would respond, but you don't think she is discussing street harassment because she did not say the words "street harassment"?

Why would I read your post #46? What makes your opinion important to me?

She said she would twirl and say thank you. Which indicates she does not think it is harassment. People do not usually say thank you to people who harass them.

If someone is harassing me, yes, I would be the one to determine if it is harassment. Why? Because it is happening to me and is affecting me directly and it would be based on how I feel about the person's actions towards me. If I feel threatened or harassed or intimidated, yes, I would view it as harassment. If I notice someone is feeling threatened, harassed or intimidated by it, yes, I would interpret it as harassment. This is clearly a problem for you, judging by the ways in which you are coming out asking how it is acceptable for you to approach strange women and comment on what they are wearing. Do you have a shoe or feet fetish by any chance?

Gays and transvestites do not threaten me. Why? Well the reasons for that should be obvious. To the one, they have never invaded my personal space to get in my face to tell me about how what I am wearing makes them feel. To the other, men who think this does not constitute harassment and act in this way do make me feel threatened. Can you tell the difference between the two and why one would make me feel threatened and the other not so?

If you have a way with how this thread is called "Street Harassment", perhaps you can take this up with the person who started the thread? Since the video this thread is based on is about harassment in the street, it stands to reason that it is viewed as street harassment.

You still don't understand that I do not know who this Gayle person is and why I don't really care that she has her own opinion?

Of a sort, yes.

Is this really hard for you to understand?

You miss one important point.. I don't accost people to tell them what I think about their clothing. Do you?

Because transvestites and gays don't appear to be weird or threatening. You do. I mean if you're the kind of creepy guy that hangs out at bus stops to accost women with your opinions of what they are wearing, then I'd think you were a weirdo. It would also matter to how you voiced the opinion. If you did so in a sleazy way, then yeah, you would be the weirdo and creepy "POS". If you invaded my personal space, stared at me beforehand, acted in a way that was creepy, you would be instantly classified in the creepy weirdo box. It's not that hard for you to understand, is it?

I mean it's already weird that you are trying to find ways to excuse this kind of behaviour, not to mention this obsession with television personalities and what appears to be a fetish with shoes.....

Now, I have answered your questions. Please stop pestering me and leave me alone because you have exhausted my capacity to deal with "weird" for one day.

 

She was just walking down the street.. How do you see that as trying to attract attention?

Also, are you the type to think that it is acceptable to harass people walking down the street, minding their own business? It isn't about whether women are weak or strong and able to take it or not. It is about whether it is acceptable to do this to people walking down the street. Do you think it is?

Motor Daddy

Reading and comprehension is hard for you, isn't it? It is clear you have an axe to grind with me. Perhaps it might benefit you to read what I actually write instead of outright lying and making things up because you appear to have this pathological need to ignore what I am saying and focusing on famous people...

 

What makes you think she is the only woman this happens to?

The video was made to show what life is like for women who walk on the street.

More to the point, why can't the men who harass women not harass them? I find it really interesting how so many proponents of street harassment are finding fault in the woman. Apparently walking down the street should invite harassment and women who are fed up with being harassed so much are deemed too fragile. If women were fragile as you seem to believe they are, they would not walk down the street. That they do and have to put up with this level of harassment while going about their daily lives tells me that it is the harassers who are fragile and desperate and cannot stand to see women out in public without accosting them.

But seriously though.. What kind of wanker feels the absolute need to accost people in the street to comment on their looks, clothes, their sex, hair, how they walk, where they are walking, etc? And what kind of bigger wanker blames the woman for it?

 

Hmm..

Who should take control of their feelings and actions here? The woman or the guy who stabbed her and slashed her with a knife when she refused his advances when he harassed her on the street?

How about these ones:

So saying no can get you injured or nearly killed and ignoring the men who do this kind of thing can result in your being sexually assaulted..

And yet, some believe the onus is on the woman to not draw attention to herself (apparently she does this by walking down the street) and very little is ever placed on the males to not behave this way. Even in this thread, so many comments are made about the woman apparently drawing attention to herself by simply walking down the street..

But in a survey of 811 women, 75 percent reported they had been followed by a man they did not know, more than 50 percent had been sexually touched, and 25 percent had been assaulted. Nearly one in four of these women said their street harassment experiences began around age 12 and nearly 90 percent said they had been harassed by age 19.
Since whistling, comments such as “Hey, baby” and demands for a smile or a phone number are the most common and visible forms of gender-based street harassment, it is easy for many people to dismiss the problem.

“Get over yourself.” “It’s a compliment.” “What’s the big deal?” “If you don’t want to be harassed, don’t go outside.” These are examples of what I’ve been told for speaking out, while others, like activist/writer Soraya Chemaly, have been told to “lighten up” and that the behavior is just “flirting.”

While people may think it is a stretch to connect catcalls with assault and attempted murder, sometimes catcalls escalate into something worse and women never know when that might happen.

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How do you figure that?

Because I don't think it is acceptable to harass people on the street?

Some men do not like to be rebuffed and they think that it is perfectly acceptable to attack the women who dare to tell them no, ignore them or tell them they aren't interested in their unwanted attention in the street or elsewhere.

Just because women deal with it as they see fit and as the situation requires on a daily basis does not make it (harassment) acceptable. Or did you not understand that part?

And who is asking for special protections or privileges? Let me guess, you're one of those who thinks that women who are groped or sexually harassed or stalked by people on the street are seeking special privileges when they report it to the police? Or do you view sexual harassment laws and rape laws in general as conveying a special privilege? Or do you think trying to demand that such behaviour stops because it is not acceptable is asking for special protections and privileges?

 

milkweed:

Since when did walking along beside a complete stranger for five minutes become "casual interaction"?

Can't you see that these "interactions" are not welcomed by their recipients? Was it not clear to that guy when the woman said nothing for five minutes that he was making her uncomfortable or that he was unwelcome?

"Nice ass!"
"Show us your tits!"
"Oooh baby. I'd like to get me a piece of that!"
"Don't look so glum. Smile!"
"Hey, am I too ugly for you to go out with me?"
"You don't want to talk to me? Why not? Go on, talk to me."

Are these the kinds of compliments you mean? Because that's what we're talking about here.

Do you really not think that harassment is occurring up the point where some kind of physical assault occurs? Is there no harassment unless there's physical coercion, in your opinion?

And what does it matter that Most Men are Not Rapists? Does that make verbal harassment and physical intimidation acceptable then? Acceptable as long as the guy doesn't actually rape or intend to rape?

Yeah, and when some guy on the train asks you "What are you looking at?" why don't you just say "I'd prefer it if you didn't use that tone of voice with me, young man. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't want you to address me again, so please keep to yourself until I get off the train. Thanks." ?

You avoided answering the direct question I asked you. Why?

You're part of the problem because you don't think there is a problem. You're completely blind to the problem.

Yes. I'm quite sure. I actually go out of my way to avoid even the possible perception of being a threat to women on the street. I don't crowd women in public. I don't invade their personal space. I don't try to chat them up. And I definitely do not tell strangers on the street that they have a nice dress or a nice ass or nice tits. How about you? Do you think you can manage a direct and truthful answer this time?