Why does it seem like there is no moderation in Physics and Math?

I know, I know. My stuff isn't really controversial, or interesting to anyone but me. But not all threads out there will be "blogs", lol.

 

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Thanks for the clarification.

So how is that different from what exists now, besides taking from moderators and giving to the members the power to move threads to the appropriate forum or delete if content is not appropriate?

And same question applies: how exactly would that work? One of the exact issues of the thread: a thread got moved from physics to alternative: how, in your way of doing things, would that happen?

Also, in the thread in question, Farsight admitted he generated the graph and admitted he did it without math. So that's "failure to provide support" and the thread should be closed, right?

 

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Like when I asked him to demonstrate how to use his ideas to solve a simple physics problem of his own choice. He declared that abuse and put me on ignore for that.

 

There is a long history of abusive posting and even posts that are not about the topic of discussion but rather about what someone thinks about another poster. This from where I sit comes from almost all sides. I even find myself guilty sometimes of directing comment at someone rather than the subject being discussed..., or including comments directed at the individual within an otherwise on topic post.

Generally speaking without changing the regulation involving the deletion of posts or portions of posts, it is perhaps one of the more difficult areas of discussion to police. Unless a moderator with the authority to take appropriate action is involved in the thread when those kinds of posts begin, removing the offensive or disruptive portions becomes as difficult as brain surgery.

It seems right now the only moderation tool, for that kind of activity, is banning, which once the infraction has infected the thread generally becomes very difficult. When someone gets called a name or attacked directly in some way, they tend to respond in kind... And that threatens to corrupt the discussion as a whole...

It is easier to move a thread that is off topic, for a particular sub forum.., or even to close a thread when necessisary, than it is to start deleting, editing or moving a whole series of posts within a thread. Moderators have split posts off of a thread in the past. Moving a group of posts to a new thread even in a different sub forum.., but that is generally a great deal of work and effort, by the time it becomes a necessisary action.

 

No. I refer to Einstein and Minkowski and Maxwell and the hard scientific evidence. I will not have that serious physics discussion stigmatised and kicked into some "On the Fringe: Alternative Theories" trashcan by a "moderator" who permits vile abuse. In fact, I refuse to post further in that section. There are other fish in the sea.

 

Is that a maybe?

 

No.

 

You sort of did the same thing over at JREF. I'm not a member there, but you mentioned someone else who posted there and I went, and there was this same topic, and you had just exited. Why not stick it out here, and try to sway with the punches. I know that when some people stick the "no math" thing down your throat is gets tense, but you can handle it, I've seen you do it.

 

Sure I can handle it.

But sciforums can also handle a situation where a "moderator" permits vile abuse and boots the only decent science discussion into a trashcan. And if they don't, it's tumbleweed city.

 

If it's science discussion, then you should be able to demonstrate your science in a simple example. Yet, oddly, you have never done this.

 

I do realise that sometimes it is very hard for a professional, to accept advice off a layman, and I'm also aware you probably have me on ignore...that's OK too.....
Irrespective of that, the way I see it as a layman is that you have your own interpretation on what those greats have said. I believe you are wrong in that Interpretation........
If you were correct, I don't believe you would be continued to be castigated and refuted......
I don't believe in general, that the mainstream would not accept what you have, if you had anything that was worthy.
I have seen you state that in a local FoR, time stops for anyone or anything crossing the EH of a BH.
My readings of such material as Kip Thorne's "Black Holes and Time Warps" tells me you are wrong in that respect also.
In essence you are proposing a new model.
So why do you see the need to be so indignant about being moved to "Alternative Theories"?
Why are you of the opinion, that you do not need to be questioned and scrutinised over your claims?
And as I have stated many times, if you had anything of validity, you would not be here...You would be getting proper peer review.
But like the other two alternative hypothetical pushers we have of late, that also claim a ToE, you prefer to castigate and deride the scientific method and peer review with conspiracies and stuff.

You will not be given any armchair ride to fame and fortune....By necessity, you will need to run the gauntlet, and show that your ToE, is more valid then the other two ToE's we have on this forum, to gain any respect and acceptance.

That is the name of the game.

 

You know what I've never seen in all my time here on this site? I've never seen a single complaint about threads in the math & physics section being dumped that originated from a person who demonstrated a basic working knowledge of mainstream physics. Furthermore, I don't think any of them have even so much as a basic working knowledge of calculus or math you don't see on Sesame Street, which means they wouldn't be fit to teach physics in Newton's time, let alone ramble about the subatomic particles it took hundreds of years to discover after Newton and his predecessors had already laid the basic groundwork.

How stupid can someone be to get upset that people ignore their objections to mainstream concepts, when they themselves don't even know what the mainstream concepts are that they're rejecting or how those concepts came to be believed in the first place? Sadly, we'll probably always need muscle in one form or another to deal with certain kinds of people who insist on acting irrationally, just like we'll always need bouncers at the bar to carry off the drunk crossdressing nutjob who's going around making grabs at random patrons' crotches.

 

I mean geez, if some of these alternative theorists would take just a few hours out of their precious lives and actually glance at Einstein's original work or a widely popular technical book teaching it, at a proper technical university level, maybe for once they'd understand that we didn't come to believe in these ideas because we liked the way Einstein cut his hair. Same thing for people rejecting other major works of modern physics in favour of their homegrown layman crotch scratching couch alternative, go read the original material or a proper ground-up technical exposition, and if it just looks like a bunch of words and symbols to you, that's your clue that you don't understand the work and need to learn a great deal more before you start opening your gob about it and trying to pose challenges.

Of course for people genuinely interested in learning something, there's no problem with asking questions and even stating personal objections. Alphanumeric or Rpenner can throw an entire encyclopedia of equations at you and you could still legitimately announce that you're not personally satisfied with their arguments and explanations, and you can even post your own rebuttals based on your own reasoning, but instead the physics forum is filled with cranks who go well beyond honest intellectual discussion by making definitive assertions about topics they clearly don't understand.

 

You couldn't make it up. I quote Einstein, and this guy dismisses it. James R didn't have a problem. But what did CptBork say? He said this:

"Since Farsight seems to be repeating this garbage in every single thread on General Relativity, and thus already has plenty of opportunities to clutter up the Physics section, I propose that the moderators should move this particular thread to Alternative Theories, which is where it should have been posted in the first place".

The guy is a naysayer. An abusive troll. A custodian of ignorance. A feather-spitting cuckoo in the nest who seeks to stifle discussion in case it somehow challenges what he perceives to be his authority. And oh boy, does that sound familiar!

 

My complaint is that you side with the cuckoo-in-the-nest abusive naysayer trolls who seek to stifle discussion. You do not moderate their bile. Instead you got the best science discussion on the forum moved into a spittoon. And instead of suspending poisonous posters like PhysBang, you have suspended Undefined repeatedly. The latest suspension is for 31 days. Because he was critical of your "moderation" in this post.

 

Another anti mainstreamer/alternative hypothesis pusher, slowly going off the rails.

 

You select a few out-of-context quotes from Einstein and claim you're somehow extending his work, you want us to believe you have a fundamental working picture of the universe, and yet you don't even know how to model the motions of a simple spring. You're totally out to lunch and scrambling ever harder to find excuses to deny it, but I think inside you know that something deep is missing from your worldview besides a throng of kneeling subjects praising your "insights", and that's why you're here watching your lies getting "abused" instead of publishing well-developed theoretical models in peer-reviewed journals.

Why don't you just pick up some math books for a change and start learning? Did you already tell all your friends and family that you're a super-genius who's got everything figured out, and you're too smart to waste your time with elitist intellectual games? Too busy solving all the mysteries of the universe?

 

Slowly? He went off the rails aeons ago when he thought he could just skip past thousands of pages of math and watch a few documentaries to fill in all the necessary details. That's how just about all these cranks are, they can tell you everything you need to know about twisting magical unicorn particles, but barely anything of substance about a ball rolling down a curved track.