Misconceptions of Time

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not true......


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    http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm
    Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time

    Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:
    Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.
    Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."
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    by the same token, the reality of time is related to the reality of space, space/time, gravity, matter, energy......afterall, they all arose from the same Singularity from whence the BB came.


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    from......
    https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a11332.html


    Can space exist by itself without matter or energy around?
    No. Experiments continue to show that there is no 'space' that stands apart from space-time itself...no arena in which matter, energy and gravity operate which is not affected by matter, energy and gravity. General relativity tells us that what we call space is just another feature of the gravitational field of the universe, so space and space-time can and do not exist apart from the matter and energy that creates the gravitational field. This is not speculation, but sound observation.
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  3. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    ... Point? This is the same view I have been promoting for years and years. There is no future nor a past, everything is simultaneous. Everything is essentially frozen in time and the way this appears is by a vanishing time derivative in the Wave function of the universe.

    I know these things, I've been writing on them for years.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That's nice...So you recognise the reality of space/time...good stuff!
    Oh, and do we have any references or examples of your writings?
     
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  7. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    This so-called ''reality'' as you call it, vanishes from general relativity altogether. Why don't you understand this?
     
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    The reality of space/time, against which the calculations of GR are constructed, was reinforced even further with the GP-B precision data.
    So, no, only in your dream world does it vanish.
    Again, I would be interested in these writings and books you have out...any references??

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  9. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    ... no. What you think you understand about space and time is about as good as layman. You don't know the really deep troubling dynamic questions concerning time in relativity. If you did, you would realize how ignorant you are coming across.
     
  10. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Tell us about the "......really deep troubling dynamic questions concerning time in relativity." LOL. So far you sound like a 'hand wringer'. Oh time in relativity is so messed up. Funny I never heard of it and I actually know something about the theory.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    If ignorance means deciphering and discarding the crap and nonsense that you are apt at spewing, then I'll remain ignorant.
    That includes your paranoid assertion re UFO's of Alien origin.
     
  12. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    If you've never heard of these ''problems'' then take this as an opportunity for you to learn something really important. That involves you shutting your mouth for while.

    I'm writing something up on time the now, when it is done, I'll let everyone read it. It not only claims to solve the problem of time but it implements Machian idea's with the beginning of the universe with interesting results on what the absence of time does.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    How about those writings and books???
    Or was that just another attempt at impressing the forum?

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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    On second thoughts, let's forget about it....I don't want to embarrass you any more than you already have been.
     
  15. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    Impressing the forum? You've seen nothing yet. As I said to you before, I have been writing on the subject for years... I never said I've written any books, you've added that at your pleasure.

    I am currently writing up a very beautiful little paper I'll let the forum read. It will address your gross misunderstanding of ''time.''
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    :roflmao:



    I'm writing one also, entitled "Nightshift: The Bozo of Science" nudge, nudge, wink, wink
     
  17. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    Everything you've written so far has been misinformation or outright nonsense. There is no issue related to how time is modeled in relativity theory. I enjoy learning stuff but I will be surprised [pleasantly] if I learn anything from you.
     
  18. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    ... That's because you have a very simple understanding of relativity Bruce, you've demonstrated this to me already. Time doesn't exist in relativity and it is considered a problem among physicists... to which you replied ''LOL!'' as if this was some sort of joke. Because you are not aware of this, you are out of your league.
     
  19. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like you're out of meds with the delusion of grandeur. What you're currently doing is trolling this forum with nonsense.
     
  20. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    I know there isn't any problem with the way time is modeled in relativity theory. Relativity theory isn't a quantum theory of gravity. My guess is you've got theoretical domains mixed up. The delusions of grandeur are disconcerting.
     
  21. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    No it's because you just read my new post.

    I've already mentioned the Wheeler de Witt equation is obtained from quantizing the equations. If you are not listening this is not my problem and it's clear you know nothing about the subject anyway or you would have known.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Why not, if you are so sure of the validity of your concept, get it properly peer reviewed?
    Or would we then again, here the usual delusional cry of the alternative theorist, that the mainstream is an exclusive club, and as such are unable to see the brilliant sunshine light and wisdom that you exclusively are a party to.

    Let's see...hmmmm, I've forgotten actually how many alternative/pseudoscience/conspiracy nutters that have bellowed out this same delusional cry on this same forum, for at least a half a dozen different interpretations of SR/GR and associated science.
    Makes one think, does it not?
     
  23. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    Stop trying to make this into a drama and just learn something will you? My ''paper'' is here and no I won't be ''publishing it,'' I wrote it for the people here who can't shift from their Newtonian ways of thought.

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?141040-The-Relativity-of-Time
     

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