Is it lights out for Governor Christie, the Republican Great White Hope?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    A presidential bid for Governor Christie was looking good until just few days ago, before Bridgegate came to the forefront. Now, Christie will go down in history with his famous fellow Republicans who felt compelled to repeat negatives, Nixon with his famous, “I am not a crook”, and more recently, O’Donnell with, “I am not a witch”. Now to that list we can add Governor Christie with his, “I am not a bully”, declaration the other day. And unfortunately, as with his predecessors, history does not bode well for Governor Christie. When Republicans feel compelled to repeat negatives about themselves, things are pretty damn bad.

    I think in the days ahead this is going to be some interesting political theater at the expense of Governor Christie. Many questions remain unanswered. Governor Christie has thrown his closest aides under the bus and appointed one of the men involved in the scandal as the state’s chief law enforcement official. But I don’t think that will be enough to suppress the scandal. There are talks of criminal investigations and certainly the state assembly will continue with its investigation. And as time goes on there are more and more accounts surfacing of Governor Christie’s bullying tactics.

    Governor Christie gave a public mea culpa this week. But I was struck by how focused it was on him. Rather than expressing concern about the people who were injured and suffered as a result of actions taken by his office or the abuse of public authority, he was only concerned about his reputation and career prospects. It struck me as odd. We now know the order to close the bridge lanes came from the governor’s closest aides. Instead of firing those aides for doing something so horrendous, he fired them for lying. Something is rotten in New Jersey. Is this the end for Christie? Will he claim executive privilege as Nixon did decades ago?
     
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  3. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    The media was ready to crown him as the nominee, but I've never met a single non-liberal who liked the guy.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That was based primarily on his odds against likely democratic candidates. Republicans, like democrats, want to win - so they will often pick a candidate they don't love to ensure a win against an opponent they hate.
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The question remains why his closest associates would cook up a plan like this, and not clear it with their boss?
    Why would they do something so stupid and perilous?

    But it's odd that there is nothing at all in the paper trail linking him with the plot.
    They have obviously tried hard never to mention it directly between themselves, but they couldn't resist the occasional sly reference.
    Never to Christie himself though.
    Never a "good luck for your future plans", or "hope we'll have something to celebrate soon".
     
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The semi-scandal with Christie was brought to light, at this time, to steal the thunder from the new revelations of Bengahzi that were about to be released on the same time frame. The main stream media needed an excuse story so they could ignore the other story. It turns out Hilaray and Pres Obama both were in on a coverup and lie about a novel causing the attack. They knew it was a terror attack within 15 minutes.

    Normally the Dems would have waited until Christie got the nomination to play this scandal card, but they needed to play a trump card sooner to distract their low information audience. Lying to the American people, delaying action that caused deaths, to protect a campaign narrative, is considered less a scandal, than a three hour traffic jam, to the main stream media. If I was Christie I would call a press conference and twitch the topic on main stream TV and outline the better and juicier scandal which they refuse to talk about. Let the audience know what they are missing. The real scandal includes cover up articles and support by the main stream media. This revelation could require owners of major news organizations having to testify about their role in the cover up using TV and print.
     
  9. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Politicians never give up.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like a bully - one of these New York higher-than-thou types - and acts like an ass. Suspicious connections also. Fuck him.
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, and I suppose little green Martians visit you nightly, take you up into their spaceship, and do strange experiments on your body was well. I suppose you have some credible evidence to back up your notions? I think, just as with your other bizarre notions, you have no credible evidence to support them. The facts are that after intensive partisan investigations in the House, Republicans have yet to find a shred of scandal and they have ruined any credibility they may have had with Independents on this issue.

    And I guess that explains why you are not a political scientist, because if the Democrats were conspiring to bring this issue forward – doing the evil machination thing- they would have done it just before the New Jersey gubernatorial elections. Christie would have lost the election and his chances for 2016 in one stroke.

    And the rest of your diatribe doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. It’s flat-out incoherent. Perhaps those Martians did something to your mind when they abducted you.

    If Christie should run for POTUS in 2016, it will be his fellow Republicans in the Republican primaries who will be the first to remind voters of Bridgegate, not the Democrats. It is Christie’s rivals in the Republican Party who are reveling in the governor’s current distress.
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I partly agree with Wellwisher.
    If the information had been in the hands of the Democrats, they would have released it at the optimum time.
    That would either be now, while people are still hopping mad, or after Christie was made Republican Candidate.
    The latter would have been a hammer blow.
    However, I don't think that yet another security cock-up would be a reason.
    It's almost expected.

    Was this information in the control of the Dems?
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Ironically, it was that great bastion of liberalism known as The Wall Street Journal which broke this story. Last time I checked, Rupert Murdoch owns and controls The Wall Street Journal, the same guy that owns and controls the bastion of liberalism known as Fox News.
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    More likely that he was the "wrong kind" of Conservative. Which worries me. If Murdoch wanted him sunk, do I want him sunk?
     
  16. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Good Point.
    If Murdoch hates him, he must be OK.
     
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  17. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    First off,Christie is on my list somewhere below which shirt I'll wear for the next New Year's party.

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    Democrat/Republican is also a non-starter. However, I *have* been watching the entire story as it unfolds. Best entertainment on TV.

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  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    If Christie planned all this, how has he got his underlings to take all the blame?
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well you see, therein lies the drama. Will some fat cat Christie supporter put them on his/her payroll to keep them quite? Will one of them squeal on their colleagues in exchange for a deal with the government? It will be interesting drama. Either Christie is an awful manager and his closest employees and aides are running wild and arbitrarily closed down an major bridge for 4 days just for the hell of it, or there is an overreach and abuse of power by Christie. Take your pick, neither option is good for Christie.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    He made them an offer they couldn't refuse. His underlings don't want to wake up one morning and find out their bridge is shut down for "maintenance!"
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, that was good, that horse head is on the state seal for a reason.
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The non-liberals seem to have no problem voting for him, though.

    The Murdoch press in general has in the past supported Christie, and many of its pundits etc have said nice things about him.

    The reason the Wall Street Journal slammed him for this is the common reason most suddenly awakened wingnuts have noticed the reality of one or two particular matters, from gay marriage to birth control coverage in health insurance to sex discrimination on the job to the prospect the country faces if Palin actually wins the Vice Presidency: personal experience. One of their top level reporting teams got trapped in that traffic jam, for a very long time.

    I'm sure the detailed planning of such normal administrative operations, even the choice of means, etc, was delegated - that's why he has staff. As far as them taking all the blame, that hasn't actually happened - some have been fired, one or two have pled the Fifth (bringing up the interesting possibility of criminal, rather than merely civil, aspects of this), nobody has taken the blame upon themselves.
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    And they become part of the concrete.
     

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