The meaning of life

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  1. Number 9 Bus Shelter Registered Member

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    What I'm talking about is actually the meaning of life for humanity as a whole. I think our real mission is to genetically modify bacterias, plants, or even people, to be able to send them to Mars. We basically have to "plant" life there that will be able to live in a different condition so life in the universe can continue, considering the fact we haven't found any extraterrestrial life so far.

    I got a feeling that we are part of a game. It is our goal to never let life cease to exist.

    What do you think?
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I do not believe there is any meaning in life in particular. Our existence is no more important than an armadillo's. That being said we are very intelligent and as such the real meaning of life is whatever we choose to assign to it.

    To me the meaning of life is to learn as much as I can, protect my family and avoid tragedy as much as possible.
     
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  5. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    We all get a certain amount of energy at birth and we do with that what we choose. Thats all of us. You do with that what you want.

    Thats what i think the meaning of our existence is.
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The purpose of life is to play the cards dealt to the best of his/her ability, as much as possible avoiding hurting others.
     
  8. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Find love.
     
  9. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Game? Well, then it wouldn't be random, purposeless, and heartless, but it is.

    Life in a mortal universe, eh?

    Let me know how it works out.
     
  10. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed.
     
  11. Mazulu Banned Banned

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  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think that's as good a goal as any, but it isn't the meaning. I think we live in an utterly indifferent universe which is cooling down until it's eventual death. We invent purposes for ourselves to fill the emptiness. We can't even say filling the emptiness is meaningful or better than not doing so, it's just something some people do.
     
  13. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Life can take on an infinite amounts of meaning where do you want to start? Knowledge is most popular.
     
  14. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I think that "the meaning of life for humanity as a whole" is to continue to evolve along the aspect that Nature provided for all life.

    Or...to figure out "the question" that produces the answer, "42".
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm with you all the way!
    I certainly don't believe we were meant to stagnate on this fart arse little blue orb...plenty of space out there, and plenty of room and objects for the seeds of life to take hold.
     
  16. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    So you believe in Absurdism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

    In absurdist philosophy, the Absurd arises out of the fundamental disharmony between the individual's search for meaning and the apparent meaninglessness of the universe. As beings looking for meaning in a meaningless world, humans have three ways of resolving the dilemma. Kierkegaard and Camus describe the solutions in their works, The Sickness Unto Death (1849) and The Myth of Sisyphus (1942):

    Suicide (or, "escaping existence"): a solution in which a person simply ends one's own life. Both Kierkegaard and Camus dismiss the viability of this option.
    Religious belief in a transcendent realm or being: a solution in which one believes in the existence of a reality that is beyond the Absurd, and, as such, has meaning. Kierkegaard stated that a belief in anything beyond the Absurd requires a non-rational but perhaps necessary religious acceptance in such an intangible and empirically unprovable thing (now commonly referred to as a "leap of faith"). However, Camus regarded this solution as "philosophical suicide".
    Acceptance of the Absurd: a solution in which one accepts and even embraces the Absurd and continues to live in spite of it. Camus endorsed this solution, while Kierkegaard regarded this solution as "demoniac madness": "He rages most of all at the thought that eternity might get it into its head to take his misery from him!"[37]
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, pretty much, but with secular humanism thrown into the void, because, why not.
     
  18. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Humans are the only mutable, self-programming creators available that produce and apply meanings, commanding directives, etc. So any general ideation of "what the point of life is" is simply what a current controlling agency, majority or consensus prescribes. If there is such that can globally permeate all the local regulatory / practical / work instances of authority regarding what "I should be doing, thinking right now". Posthumanist ideology, for example, might consider "life as continuing" even if it was micro-machine based "beasts" migrating and replicating across space, transforming the galaxy into a nanotechnological wilderness.

    If block-time was the case, then we might arguably assert that there really was some objective or meta-anthropic "significance, goal" or conclusion for humankind lurking ahead (though not "there" because of a personhood's plan, and also embedded among an array of final "destinations" for other things). Since the future would already exist (temporal changes would instead be sections of a permanent, higher-dimensional structure rather than states of a 3D universe that were annihilating and replacing themselves from moment to moment [presentism]).
     
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  20. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    Mankind will be long gone before it ever figures out how to 'impregnate' itself on some other planet. If what we've done to Earth is an example that's a good thing.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You're on shaky ground with that assertion. We have a rather arrogant attitude toward all other animals, but only because they allegedly don't have language. It's really the fact that we can't communicate with them that drives the assumption that they are vastly inferior to us in intellect, rather than any more specific evidence.

    Other apes, specifically gorillas and chimpanzees, have in fact been taught American Sign Language. Last time I checked, they have mastered a vocabulary of around 1,000 words, use correct grammar (and ASL grammar is quite different from the grammar of spoken language, if only because you can sign two words at once), and most importantly, have expressed their own thoughts without being prompted by questions or tests. One of them saw a zebra for the first time, through the laboratory window, and he signed, "Look! A white tiger!" Another taught ASL to her own baby and they now converse with each other.

    If PETA or some other well-meaning vandals shipped a colony of language-using apes back to Africa, what do you think might happen? There was a quantum change in human culture around 70KYA, when the technology of spoken language appears to have been invented. Almost overnight we find evidence of sophisticated, coordinated group activities that could not possibly have been performed by people who were also using their hands to communicate in sign language at the same time. Perhaps the same thing would happen to another primate species, given the chance.

    The reason our species is able to "produce and apply meanings, commanding directives, etc.," is that we have a technology that makes these things possible.

    And let's not forget the cetaceans. It's accepted as fact that the whistles and grunts of dolphins and whales are more sophisticated than our ancestors thought. Sound recording equipment has identified myriad different combinations of "phonemes." But since they live in a world almost completely different from ours, we can't find a context in which to try to interpret them. The best we've done is to determine that each individual has a unique name, and that (in some species) each pod has a unique chant, which could be anything from a national anthem to a ribald marching cadence count: "I don't know but I've been told/Orca ass is mighty cold/Sound off one-two/Sound off three-four..."

    It seems unlikely that cetaceans will ever be able to manipulate their environment the way humans and other primates can. But hell, we gave the gorillas and chimpanzees language just to find out what would happen. Maybe we should give the dolphins prosthetic hands, then sit back and wait to find out what they do with them!

    Our Stone Age invitation to dogs to join us around the campfire has been a phenomenal success. Civilization would hardly be the same without them. Imagine teaming up with animals whose intelligence is much closer to our level! (Or perhaps higher: there's way too much that we don't know about cetaceans!)
     
  22. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    I was about to say you're absolutely right, but you aren't. At least, not completely.
    Where you have it, is in your statement that "we are part of a game".

    All this comes down to is perception, and understanding. Disregard the "mission" statement. There isn't one. Never has been; never will be.
    Other than the one you make for yourself. And that mission you make for yourself, will depend entirely upon your views of what life might be.

    You have a few options, there. You can opt out, or you can opt in.
    Opting out is easy. Opting in is more difficult, because you have to find a reason why you'd do so.



    Sun is going to do the big kablooey in a few billion years.
    It isn't the ones who go with the flow who will guarantee man's existence beyond that event. It is the ones who disregard dogma, and become a link in a chain at the end of which might, come the time, prevent our extinction. That's all you need to know.

    In a few billion years, when the sun does that, no one is going to remember who you were. No one will remember your name. Unless, of course, you do something like inventing a cure for cancer.
    But you can still flick the switches.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    When the sun becomes a red giant (in about 5.5 billion years) it will expand to the extent that its surface will be very close to Earth's orbit, or even beyond it. At the very least, the planet's temperature will be way too high for water to exist as a liquid; at the worst, it will swallow the planet and everything on it.

    In either case, life will not be possible on this planet. So no one will remember anything or anyone, because they'll all be long dead.

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    Only if someone makes interstellar travel possible, so our descendants are able to colonize one or more distant planets at a much earlier point in their sun's evolution, will there still be living humans. They might remember that person.

    The practical barriers to interstellar colonization are daunting. For starters, humans can only withstand acceleration force that is not much greater than Earth's gravity. This makes a round trip to the nearest planet outside our solar system a lifelong project. And that planet cannot sustain life, so we'll have to go much farther. This means a generation starship, which will present problems that we can't possibly foresee.

    The people who solve all of these problems will be heroes.
     

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