SETI: Run by charlatans or fools?

Alpha Centauri is the nearest star, and that's over 4ly away. With one suspected planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars

Where does the radio wave energy go?
Is it heating up the atoms of gas it meets?

 

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If you will look I put quotation marks on that statement.

 

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You did a crappy job of it (you quoted multiple posts without properly separating them) and you didn't cite the source.

Typically the point of a quote is to bring MORE authority to a discussion, not less. By not citing the source, you hide just how useless of a source it was.

 

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Someone knows but they are not gonna tell us. The other day i read, on the internet, about a 13 foot crocodile getting caught. The only thing i though to myself was "jeeez, we're not even the masters of our own planet". Here we are thousands of years after we got here and these things still roam the earth. I just shake my head. I just dont understand it. Now i got to run away from a crocodile? come on. crocodiles? WOW, talk about monumental failure. But you're not even masters of you own domain.

Now hold on a second. Let me get this straight, you made the good become extinct and a beast like a crocodile just swim around? Yeah well, if something is up there and they dont want to be found then they wont be found. But i'll bet you right now, if they can hide (cloak) there aint no crocodiles on their planet. LOL...jeez, shake off the primitive.

Now sure, some of you (wrongly) will say "that is cruel" but then i remind you of the good you let become extinct. LOL...I just dont understand it. A species of bird that no longer exists that would land on my finger to say hello. Gone. Now i say, we should be growing crocodiles in labs at will. "Say...hey, you know...what can we use that croc for? I dont know. Hey, Lucious, get me a croc to experiment on. I need it by tomorrow. No problem, i have the DNA right here."

Well, what i am trying to say is more primitive than us and we would find them (on other planets) more advanced and they can hide from us. The probes we send wont see them, or then they would be intercepted one way or another. See, you have to be at a certain level. That is my understanding of it. Geesh...

 

Did you say the crocodile caught people or people caught the crocodile?

 

People caught the croc. But does it really matter?

 

In the large scheme of things it doesn't matter who is biter and who is bit,
but if a croc had you in its jaws you wouldn't be so philosophical.

Aliens would be very foolish to answer us.
We would soon be on our way to give them Freedom Democracy and the Bible.

I bet someone, somewhere is blasting Bible talks into space
just in case some alien hasn't found out about salvation.

 

They all cam from the same place and I was trying to show only that many others have the same POV that I do. Sorry if I made your hackles rise but I really don't think what I did was that wrong.

 

It was wrong for two reasons:
1. Etiquette.
2. When you are unclear, you can't get your point across. Since you didn't cite the source, there was no way (without googling) for people to know you were trying to show multiple opinions.

 

It matters for determining who is the "master".

 

Come on...a crocodile? I think i made some good points, I posted after drinking a bottle of wine, so I see now my posts were not up to standards.

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I still think we should have gotten a hold of these things at the very least 100 years ago. I look to the kardashev scale and expand on it.

As an aside, I found some good youtubes featuring Dolores Cannon. Have not had time to watch them though they seem very interesting and relative to this topic.

 

Interesting....Two separate threads, both with nearly the same titles, both by the same member, and around 12 months apart.
One could be excused for suspecting some sort of agenda.

ps: I have financially supported SETI in the past, and did at one time take part in "SETI@ home project.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/

Although I do not take part in that now, [for many other reasons] I do hope SETI always get's the support to keep it viable and operational.

 

I took part in that SETI home thing as well, but packed it in when I found no Aliens.

 

I found aliens, but I am sworn to secrecy.

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I do believe there could be aliens and they could be visiting us. There is just too many well documented unexplained credible events to write-off. So until proven otherwise, we cannot legitimately take alien visitations off the possibility list. I think the SETI program is a big shot in the dark. There is much working against it. But if we never try it, we will never know. History has shown us failures often teach us more than our successes. And one thing is certain, if we never ask the questions, we will never get the answers.

And sometimes we look for X and find something completely different...something new and unexpected (e.g. Gama Ray Bursts).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst#History

 

I recently became aware of the website Centauri Dreams website which tracks current research on traveling to the stars. The author of the paper I posted in my last post is writing a short summary which will appear on the Centauri Dreams website starting tomorrow.

It will headline on the site through the holiday weekend. This should give everyone here the gist of the concepts. One example that Dr. David Messerschmitt of Berkely gives is radio communication at 1000 light years.

 

Can you imagine having a job where you ALWAYS find (produce) nothing? In a sort of humorous contrast, there are various psychic mediums who are generally quite successful at finding aliens.

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From just a production point of view, psychics are much more successful at contacting aliens then SETI scientists.

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Then there are all of the eye-witness encounters with space aliens.

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Do any of the SETI advocates realize what SETI is expecting? To receive a signal it would have to be directed precisely in our direction. Furthermore, degradation is subject to an inverse square law.

NASA (or others) manage to receive signals from their own voyagers because the equipment on board knows the exact direction of the Earth & none are more than a light year away. Does anyone here believe that some ET civilization knows our location? How would they detect us? The closest star to us is circa 4 light years away & I doubt that we are sending signals directed toward any known star.

Have any of you folks heard of the academic publish or perish syndrome? I think this is likely to be the primary motivation of those in charge of SETI projects. Another motivation might be the desire for a job & funding for interesting toys to play with.

BTW: Speculating about the existence of life elsewhere belongs to other Threads. Some exist & others might be started in the future.

My own opinion is based on the history of the Earth. I expect life to be common elsewhere in our galaxy & in other galaxies. I expect technological cultures to be very rare, perhaps many galaxies without it & few with more than one technological culture.

 

An arm of the Tau Zero Foundation...Another group of highly reputable Imaginative scientists, doing research into stellar travel.
Great stuff!

 

Yep, just an opinion, and even if that opinion was right on the mark, there would still literally be thousands of technologically advanced civilisations within the observable Universe.
I see nothing special with regards to this fart arse little blue orb we occupy.

 

A negative result is still a result. Null datat is still data so its not as if they don't produce anything. Now we know that signals don't come from all over the place. In fact if they're there they we now know, thanks to SETI, that they're hard to find. That is a finding in and of itself.