Homophobia

And the civil rights movement didn't? Black panthers, anyone? It's a product of that group being marginalized in the first place.

 

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From what I've seen, nobody has drawn line.

 

maybe it's because you are too shallow to understand the issue.

 

what nature would that be rav?

 

I do see a an advantage to gay marriage: it cuts down on promiscuity between homosexuals, and thereby reduces STD's among the populace.

 

If you think "shallow" means "understanding the difference between pedophilia and consensual sex between adults" - I would be quite happy to remain not-deep, at least to you.

 

Life's too short to pay attention to idiots. Welcome to ignore.

 

The issue is simple. One man’s pedophilia is another deity’s Immaculate Conception.

Mary - Mother of Jesus

 

no, that isn't what i mean.
read my posts, i believe my stance is pretty clear on the issue.

 

You mean your slippery slope fallacies? You can't even make a legal contract in the USA until you are 18.

 

Agreed. And that's a prime reason why scientific education should get more focus, if not for understanding and appreciating our most precious resource - our knowledge and those who work for it then certainly for trying and integrating some of the scientific way of thinking into our day to day life. That way, people can reduce their mistakes and baises while increasing their knowledge. On a related topic, if some great cataclysm was to occur that destroyed all progress since agriculture and you could save just one book, what would it be? It would have to Newton's principia for me - the foundation of most modern science and technology.

Agreed. Those who are have to do our dirty work must get our respect [though not necessarily our admiration].

So am I. I mean, while he was a terrorist, he was human too. And in the big picture, he was just a poor sod who caught the wrong [or outdated/not optimally beneficial/ideally civilised] viruses of the mind [as in a dawkinsian memetic sense].

Certainly, but the problem arises when someone has a vested interest in their ideology but the ideology needs to be exclusive. For religious people, for example, their religion is what keeps them out of the bottomless pit of despair, chaos and nihilism but their belief depends on it being true and [for fundamentalists] exclusive - paving the path to uncivilized, petty, separative vile [if not violent] acts.

:scratchin: What do you mean?

Indeed. Just take India for an example. A human resource 1.2 billion strong is an immense strength. And yet, corruption, traditionalism, superstition, religious and regional differences all keep it from utilising it properly. The brain drain is just the least of India's problems - while the northern plains have someone of the poorest and overpopulated areas in the countries, some temples in the south make more money than many a small town. Just imagine what it could do if it gave up its religious or superstitious beliefs and worked on better science education.

The reply got so long and so off topic I separated it into another thread - http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?134716-Existential-crisis-please-Help!&p=3070849#post3070849
It is most likely right up your alley, so do look at it if you like.

Ok, I'll look into it.

Hm, I didnt know that. You never cease to amaze. How do you know so much?

Well, considering what some other minorities got that wasnt so bad, for that time atleast. History might as well be called "101 reasons to hate your fellow man", though I doubt we would find just 101.

Thanks. That's sorted then. Hey, wait a minute.... I said it would take two posts and it did. No, its NOT just a simple coincidence that can happen easily, I AM PSYCHIC!
So now its even worse, since this isnt as plainly and demonstrably wrong - and some do end up thinking this way. And what's worst is that arguments work, shall we say, a bit inefficently with them:

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Oh, and if you liked that, you might like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ZqQznblZo
Note: Its actually a commercial for scientology that has been edited to support Atheism and has more views than the original.

 

The term homophobia is a manipulation technique designed to silence opposition. I have nothing personally against anyone. Anyone who knows me personally knows I have always got along with everyone. I have had many gay and lesbian friends. What I fight against is the manipulation tactic that is being used to bias the truth into a lie.

An analogous tactic, is if anyone says anything against President Obama, even with supporting data, is called racist. Homophobia works on the same template as the race card. The term was designed as an emotional strong arm tactic, that causes honest people to back off from bigots, who can't win the argument with logic and data. Instead of the race card, the homophobe card is played in this topic. I pushed it to see how many times the horse would go to the well.

The feminists started this tactic in the 1980's, with the term male chauvinist pig. This was the original low information liberal voter, silence the rational opposition tactic. If you said this feminism will lead to an increase in child poverty, you were a male chauvinist pig. The low information voter, when they heard the term, would react like the Pavlov Dog, and nag and bully any opposition to the agenda.

The PC movement has extrapolated this even further setting up other illusions.

If this makes me a homophobes than all that means is you have truth-o-phobia.

 

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That's great. I am sure the Westboro Baptists say the same thing about soldiers.

And how anyone who does not support the right wing is called a socialist. Yep, both of those are misuses of the term. Someone who objects to Obama on the basis of his policies is not a racist; someone who laments that there is a nigger in the White House is a racist.

Nope. Disliking someone because you dislike their political position on something is not homophobia. Support of organized suppression of their rights IS homophobia.

 

Wellwisher is a troll. He's not responding to anyone's posts, he's just taking every opportunity to dehumanize homosexuals. I wish a moderator would put this to an end.

 

you don't understand me at all, not even close.

 

And we never will as long as you continue to be circumspect.