Exactly. For instance the HST remotely recording events far away in space and time. Just to say one last thing. I'll use the HST for further example. The HST represents a remote coordinate frame when we choose and a local proper frame when we choose.
And yet, in the OP of this thread, there are boxes which pass very closely by each other. So they are not far away in space or time when they pass by. Yet the effects of special relativity are still there, as plain as day.
You saying it's not a remote coordinate measurement just because they pass close to each other? There's a local proper frame where the two boxes are at rest with respect to each other and they're any number of remote coordinate frames where the boxes are in relative motion with the measurements made in the local proper frame. You haven't understood a thing I've said about how the theory works. You probably think I don't understand what I'm talking about. You wouldn't be the first.
No, I'm saying that you tried to explain your "remote coordinate frame" in terms of it being a great distance away from the "local proper frame". Maybe you should have explained it in terms of its relative motion, if you were trying to explain SR. No, there isn't. The boxes are not at rest with respect to each other. Maybe you should review the first post of this thread. I'm sure you understand what you are talking about. I'm not sure others understand what you think you are talking about.
Have it your way. I'm very explicit in my explanations. I could care less whether you understand them or not. The reason you can't understand me is you don't have the will or the tools to tell whether I'm full of crap or not. Later.
Now you're confusing me. You obviously care if he understands them, because if you didn't you would be caring less, but you don't, right?
Pete, were you guys just arguing about whether or not the observed angles are transformed during changes of frames of reference? Relativistic Transformation of Angles
The thread has jumped back and forth from the OP to the subject of other threads and side tracks so much... But that is not what I understood Pete's OP to be about. The link you referenced seems to me consistent with the OP. The word observed may raise Tach's hackles, and the OP was looking at diagonal rods in relativistically moving boxes, rather than specifically at angles, but that is just a different way of looking at the same issue. I am unsure how Tach's reference to zero angles addresses the OP.
Hope... ...dashed. To imply that the solution can only be resolved in GR even when it can be completely isolated to (and explained with) SR phenomena is absurd.
I find it puzzling that Tach acknowledges that two rods can pass each other as shown, but can't seem to accept that they could collide. Unless he's changed his mind about that as well.
When they collide they move as a single body or they bounce off each other. Either way, they don't move the way you have them in your animation, your animation does not cover collision, remember? So , this whole thread has nothing to do with the puzzle to be solved, it is just another diversion. When do you plan to unlock the other thread, the one that explains away your misconceptions about this experiment? How much longer do you plan to keep it locked? Until people forget about the fact that RoS is not measurable through any experiment?
Someone might be able to point out what a rigid body means in the context of SR. For instance, how are the point of intersection and the angle of intersection related when the rods aren't parallel (for whatever reason)? When the rods are parallel there is no intersection angle, and no point of intersection (so what)? In the context of SR, although 'rigid' measuring rods exist, rigid bodies don't (because length contraction is real). When the rods aren't parallel, the point of intersection changes faster than the apparent velocity of the 'moving' rod. So a large velocity for one of the rods means the point of intersection's velocity along the stationary rod can be > c, a contradiction.